azriel wrote:I feel that most of your quote is written in defence and focusing on yourself instead of the concepts, which implies to me that you are personalising the issue.
Indeed, I did! I'm not going to deny that at all. I was left wondering, "Hmm, why my post? What about the others, who are straight out saying they feel that this guy is disinfo? Why not comment on them?"
azriel wrote:in reflection perhaps it was also your use of language...most people seem to mention that 'they thought' or 'in their opinion' or something of the like whereas you have used 'you' throughout when referring to emotions evoked which (to me) implies that it is the common experience of the collective - that you are deciding for everybody......
....................What the...?! How in the world could the fact that The Insiders's post invoked certain feelings within me be construed that I'm somehow speaking on behalf of the collective??? The mere fact that I used the word "me" means just that..........me. Not the so-called collective.
I would NEVER so much as even HINT that I'm speaking on behalf of the collective. And if you were to go back over previous posts of mine you would see times when I've called somebody else out for doing that very same thing. "Speak for yourself!" is a favorite tongue-in-cheek phrase of mine that people can vouch for. People should always speak for themselves.
azriel wrote:that the message leaves you 'feeling pretty crappy' and 'kind of hopeless'. Perhaps this wasn't your intent but all im saying is the language gives this inference...
Well, it obviously gave that impression to you. And I don't know what to tell you at this point. You can take my above clarification, or reject it, it's up to you. But I was NEVER intending to speak on behalf of others.
azriel wrote:The quote is also the only one which mentions emotional reactions so specifically and powerfully and again IMHO, such emotional reactions are the ego talking.
Well, you know, sorry for the fact that I expressed how I felt.
If you're saying that for someone to express how one feels is simply the ego talking, then sure, fine, I can accept that...........but you really should make sure to tackle every single person on this forum who also expresses how they "feel" about an issue. They're obviously speaking from the ego as well. And hell, why just single out lyra for doing that, right?
azriel wrote:Perhaps it would be of use to you to sit back and examine exactly why you got such powerful negative emotions from the article and 'sensitive' about me writing something that disagrees with your views -
A. They weren't as "powerful negative" as you think, but I can understand how my wording may have mistakenly conveyed that, so for that I take responsibility;
B. Who are to you assume that I *haven't* sat back and "examined exactly why" I got such a reaction? Maybe I have...? But am I really supposed to get on here azriel and tell the forum every single thing I do and think? Give everybody every detailed update of what transpired after I made a post?? To think that I haven't given the Insider's words much thought...and discussion, with Tom in fact....is a mistaken assumption on your part, as well as it being very presumputious to suggest what would be "of use" for me to do.
C. I already totally admitted to being a little sensitive....no need to re-point something out that was already pointed out by me in the first place. I totally admitted that maybe I'm being a little sensitive in that regard.
And Azriel, how in the frickity frack did this suddenly get spun into me getting sensitive because you "disagreed with my views" ?? Wow....... I clearly stated in my post that I was sensitive because you seemed to be honing in on my post in particular, instead of everybody else's. Please go back and re-read my words.
You know, I'm just left sitting here going "What the f*ck?!" Seriously, what the f*ck.
I'm done with this thread, holy schmolies. Spin it whatever way you want at this point, I'm done here. ! yikes...................................
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!" - Anonymous
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