Operation Terra - Messages from the Hosts of Heaven (Page 2 of 6)

Guess what?  I just typed out an entire reply to lyra's comment above, then went to another browser tab to get a URL, then came back and my entire post was gone.  Funny, the last time something like that happened to me was months ago ... when I was actively posting on NR.   Guess someone out there noticed I'm posting more than usual today!!  Isn't it funny how it happens when I'm posting about UFOs, and not about the more down-to-earth social/political questions in another thread?  Bwoo ha ha!   So I'll just RETYPE THE WHOLE MESSAGE, as I always have when this sort of crap starts happening.  Go to hell, you guys, whoever you are.   

My post was simply to recommend the book (sorry if I've mentioned it before) called In League With a UFO.  It deals with the subject of aliens who use people as pawns in their military missions, and is essentially telling about the sort of things happening which Karla Turner and Marshall Summers were/are warning about, aliens lying to us and using us.  Except this story is told from a point of view morally and ethically neutral to, if not overtly supportive of, the aliens in question.  Definitely a worthwhile read for what it's worth.  It may or may not be just a short work of fiction, I don't know, but the details in the story make me wonder.  So, I throw it out there ...

Hi monica,

I've written my post responding to your above post, and was going to start a new thread with it like I had written I would, but it'll be more prudent to split the post in half and post it here and elsewhere. There's no need for me to start a new thread about "ascension" because one already exists--

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=1716

Is that experience with the OpTerra group in particular, or experience in general?

As I've already mentioned in this thread, the first two Volumes of the Heavenly Host's (HH) messages were uplifting and positive for me. I most assuredly learned a good deal about myself and grew for reading those messages, and for being a forum member during the three months in '03 that I was allowed to participate. I forged some relationships with other OT forum members that still to this day stand strongly within unconditional loving and respectfulness for one another. The chances of myself having met these people in any other fashion than an internet forum are just very unlikely, and one of these people lives within 10 miles of me, and had for all the years I've lived here. For the chance to meet them I am extremely grateful.

Back then, to a great extent the energy of the HH reminded me of the energy of the Cs, but for that matter so did the two channelers seem alike in many ways. I thought the channeled material being alike was revealing, but I thought the channelers' similarities were way uncanny. This uncanniness has been a source of curiosity for me at times the past two years as I've watched them from the internet sidelines.

I didn't get a feel for the "missing love" until Volume III materialized, although my feeling wasn't about "missing love" in so many words. I discerned a hyperdimensional STS agenda, and a right-out-in-the-open one to boot. It seemed so blatant that my initial reaction was one of shock for its brazenness.

.... You know, there was one thing that I always thought to be somewhat suspect about the OpTerra group, even while I was involved. It was suggested by senior OT members that the HH messages should be read over and over again, and not only that, that the messages were all one needed to read and absorb in order to "ascend" to lovely Terra. I wasn't comfortable with this, I was a C-gal who had learned, from them, but mostly through my experiences, that any profound changes would come from within. I mean, really, it seemed redundant to me to read the same "script" time and again. Once was enough for me to glean everything I did. Being called upon to reread the messages over and over again seemed more like an indoctrination than an education.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

I was a member of the OT Forum for a couple of months back in
late 2001-early 2002.  I was expelled for disagreeing with some of Lyara's and her partner's statements and actions there.

I was quite upset, because I had come to feel the Forums were a "home" of sorts, but I came to see it was for the best.  I had a channeling about this shortly afterward, thought I'd share an excerpt:

Any transcendent teaching, to be transcendent is open to all beings who are
interested in it. By definition it must be open. It must also be open to
any criticism, evaluation, analysis and testing. To be a higher truth it
must stand all tests. It must be tested and it demands to be tested.

By that standard, the OT Messages/Forum get an 'F."

According to Ra, 4D incorporates both STO and STS.  Here's some info on this from the Law of One Study Guide at ascension2000.com.

Elsewhere in the Guide, Ra says that Earth is 4D vibrationally now, but 3D in "the beingness of its people."

VIII. THE 4TH DENSITY FOR THOSE OF POSITIVE ORIENTATION

A. WHAT DETERMINES WHETHER YOU GRADUATE INTO 4TH DENSITY?

RA:  The necessity for graduation to 4th density is an ability to use, welcome and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. (B4, 71)

RA:  It's a function of the intensity of the violet ray of the individual. (B2, 103)

B. WHAT IS THE 4TH DENSITY LIKE?

RA:  There are no appropriate words. We can only say what it is not and approximate what it is. Beyond 4th density our ability to describe the density grows more limited until we become without words. (B4, 71)

1.          It uses a type of bipedal body which is much denser in consciousness and more full of life. It does not use your heavy chemical vehicles or body. (B1, 157)

2.          4th density is not of words, unless chosen.  One is aware of the thoughts and vibrations of otherselves.

3.          It is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of 3rd density.

4.          It is a plane striving towards wisdom or light.

5.          It is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus. (B1, 157)

6.          There is no disharmony within the self or within other peoples. It is not within the limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way. (B1, 157)

7.          When sickness is present, it is easily healed. (B1, 157)

RA:     The 4th density is one of revealed information. Selves are not hidden to self or other ­selves. The imbalances or distortions which are of a destructive nature show in mote obvious ways, the body acting as a machine resource for self revelation [Recall that ACIM calls the body a learning device for the mind]. Illnesses such as cancer are very amenable to self-healing once the mechanism of the destructive influence has been grasped by the individual. (B2, 82)

RA:   The 4th density abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of 3rd density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity. (B2, 95)

C. THE NEED TO CONSUME FOOD TEACHES PATIENCE

QUESTION: Is the physical vehicle similar to the one in 3rd density? (B2, 103)

RA: The chemical elements are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.

QUESTION: Is it necessary to eat food?

RA: This is correct. (B2, 103)

QUESTION: This means that some kind of social catalyst, like having to work to get food, is active in 4th density. Is this correct?

RA:  This is incorrect. The 4th density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communication between entity and living foodstuff. Therefore, the work needed to acquire food is not a significant catalyst. But there is a catalyst involved. It is the necessity for eating the food.  Eating food is not considered to be of importance to 4th density entities and therefore it aids in teaching patience. (B2, 104)

QUESTION: How does it teach patience?

RA:  To stop the functioning of service-to-others long enough to ingest food is to invoke patience. (B2, 104)

D.    THE SOCIAL MEMORY COMPLEX IS A 4TH DENSITY PHENOMENON. (B2, 72)

RA:  The work that is accomplished in positive 4th density is that work whereby the positive social memory complex, having through slow stages, harmoniously integrated itself, goes forth to aid those of less positive orientation which seek their aid. Greater and greater intensities of understanding or compassion are attained. This intensity continues until the appropriate intensity of the light may be welcomed. This is 4th density harvest. (B2, 119)

QUESTION: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory?

RA:  When its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. Then the group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind becomes known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory complex. (B1, 119)

RA:  When a group of mind/body/spirits becomes able to form a social memory complex, all experiences of each entity is available to the whole of the complex. (B2, 111)

E.  IS AN ENTITY IN THE 4TH DENSITY NORMALLY INVISIBLE TO US?

RA:  The 4th density is, by choice, not visible to third density. It is possible for 4th density to be visible. However, the 4th density entity must concentrate upon a rather difficult vibrational pattern or complex - which is the 3rd density you experience. (B1, 126)

              F.  IT HAS THE CONCEPT OF PROTECTING LOVED OTHER-SELVES

RA:  The impulse to protect the loved other-self is one which persists through the 4th density, a density abounding in compassion. (B2, 48)

    G.  LIFESPAN AND LENGTH OF CYCLE

RA:  The typical time for one incarnation or "lifetime" in the harmonious 4th density is approximately 90,000 of your years as you measure time. (B2, 102)

QUESTION: How long is a cycle of experience in 4th density in our years?

RA:  The cycle lasts approximately 30 million of your years if the entities are not capable of being harvested sooner. (B2, 103)  [NOTE: Recall that the cycle for 3rd density is 75 thousand years ­.]

IX.     THE 4TH DENSITY FOR THOSE OF NEGATIVE ORIENTATION

QUESTION:  Could you give me some idea of what conditions are like on a 4th density negative or service-to-self planet?

RA:   The planetary conditions of 4th density negative include the constant alignment and realignment of entities in efforts to form dominant patterns of combined energy. The early 4th density is ore of most intensive struggle. When the order of authority has been established and all have fought until convinced that each is in the proper placement for power structure, the social memory complex begins. The 4th density effect of telepathy and the transparency of thought are always used for the sake of those at the top of the power structure. (B2, 73-74)

RA:   In the 4th density the methods used in battle are mental rather than manifested weapons. (B3, 123)

I understand what you're saying, and I've struggled with these concepts myself.  In fact, I've coined a new term, STA (Service To All), incorporating both STO and STS.  This was inspired by the writings of Story Waters.

excerpt from:
http://www.limitlessness.com/seed/index.cfm

Know that even those that appear to be purely of service to themselves are being of service to the All. The distinction of service to Self and service to others is an illusion. All service is service to the All. All action is an action for the All. All love is love for the All. All hate is hate for the All. All all is for the All.

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My understanding is that the lower levels of 4D are the Astral plane, where the feeders on fear reside, but that higher up in the levels, it's a plane of compassion.

The essence of the Ra teaching is the Law of One, which transcends polarity.  Polarity is just one way of playing the game of learning and growth. From Section Two of the Law of One Study Guide:

THERE IS NO REAL (OR ETERNAL) POLARITY

RA:  In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex with which you amuse yourself. This belief in polarity is chosen instead of understanding the complete unity of thought that binds all things together.

You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every situation.

You are unity. You are infinity.

You are love/light, light/love.

You are.

This is the Law of One. (B1, 67)

The Law of One, although beyond all words, may be approximated by saying that all things are one, there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only one identity. All is one; and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator. (B1, 85)

Well done!  I like the term STA (Service to All).  I think that it is possible to come up with ideas independently and I also think that there are ideas floating in the ether that multiple people recognize at about the same time.

A while back on this site, Zonabi proposed the term Service to All (STA) as an integration of STO (service to others) and STS (service to self).

Again, I think that STA is a useful idea.

I think that the concept is most likely implied by the RA transcripts, just not explicitly stated and I find it helpful to have an concise way like that to communicate that set of possibilities.

:-)