46 (edited by JT 2004-05-21 04:23:34)

Re: Exploring Dimensions and The "Matrix" Phenomenon

Hi BB,

Lets assume that the basis for your (intuitive) conviction about spirituality and mankinds progression, which by the way I do not see as arrogance, comes from these areas:

1) Your own experience

2) The experience of others (that which is not your own experience)

Thus.....

3) The experience of others that coincides with and affirms your own experience.

4) The experience of others that does not coincide with and affirm your own experience.

This for me begs the question:

a) How much of the above doctrine that you quote is your own experience?

b) How much of the above doctrine is not your own experience?

c) What aspect of you is evaluating and deciding, often with absoloute conviction, what "is" and what "is not"? 


As I have said above: I have no doubt that the Bringers of the Dawn and the C material and similar appeals to a place within many people, and it goes a long way to reaffirming and putting into context what many people, myself included, feel inside.

It is a highly convincing closing of the/a loop that resonates on many levels - BUT there is something about it that does not quite ring as solidly as it should do.

Ego will seek to grasp at and include all that which fits its existing structure/mindset/perspective - it will, without your necessarily being aware of the process, also filter out all that does NOT fit your existing structure and mindset. Ego is biased.

What is this place that we feel inside that is being affirmed? it is the inate human/ego need to find meaning and purpose in our lives.

I will partly use some Eckhart Tolle statements to better explain this:

A significant part of the egoic mind is a deep-seated lack or incompleteness or of not being whole. If it is unconcious, it will only be felt indirectly as an intense craving, wanting and needing. When this happens we tend to enter into a compulsive pursuit of ego-gratification and things to identify with in order to feel whole.
As long as the egoic mind is running our lives one cannot be at ease. Since the ego is a derived sense of self, it needs to identify with external things.It needs to be defended and fed constantly.

The most common egoic identifications have to do with possessions, the work you do, social status and recognition, knowledge and education, physical appearance, special abilities, realtionships, personal and family history, belief systems and often also political, nationalistic, racial, religious and other collective identifications.

None of these is you.

Descartes believed he had found the most fundamental truth when he made h ­s famous statement "I think, therefore I am". He had in fact given expression to the most basic error: to equate thinking with being and  and identity with thinking.

The mind is a superb instrument if used rightly. Used wrongly however it becomes very destructive. To put it more accurately, it is not so much that we use our minds wrongly - we usually dont use it at all. It uses us. This is the disease/insanity. We believe we are our minds.This is the delusion.The instrument has taken us over

I cannot stress this last paragraph enough!

What I am suggesting by all of this is that there are many spiritual traps and pitfalls, and as long as the egoic mind is more or less deciding what "makes us feel complete" then we run the risk of not even knowing that this is happening and we will suffer a fall - a dark night of the soul.

The egoic mind knows us better than we know ourselves - the egoic mind is also extremely good at passing itself off as our "intuitive self", so long as what is being intuited fits to our perspective and works towards our feelings of completeness.

Many people are also seduced by paths to higher knowing where a neat and tidy doctrine is laid out for them by a powerful parental figure like a church, a guru, a shaman, a spaceship commander from Arcturus, or a teacher claiming to be a high priest of the Order of Melchizedek. Knowing just what rule to follow in every circumstance is a relief if you don't trust your own intuition. But going too fast, skipping from method to method, and settling for answers you had no part in originating can leave you open for an unbalancing event (A dark night of the soul period)

When intuiting one has to be able to draw the line between a "feeling" and an "emotion", and I know through my own personal experience how many times I have got this wrong on my own journey and that it is a continual process of refinement.

Montalk in various threads is, I believe, doing his best to help you to see all this - I just wanted to paint another version of the same picture insofar as it will anchor it more strongly in my own mind I hope as it does for others.

"BUT there is something about it that does not quite ring as solidly as it should do":

I believe that Bringers of the Dawn material and similar, whilst highly informative and very interesting, is written in such a way as to a) take advantage of the incompleteness that we feel and b) appeal to the egoic self.

I have no doubt in my selves (Smile) that this incompleteness is a hole that is to be filled, so that mankind maybe fulfilled - the question is with what?

BB, I am really very chuffed for you, and I know exactly how it feels when the "Divine" starts to embrace ones life and the joys it brings - the exilharation and energy is powerful, and yet it is just the start of a long road of learning and experience.

None of us can normally go from unconcious to concious or from asleep to awake in the course of 1 night, or even 12 months. This is a long road along which we all need to have our wits about us.

Even more so, because I believe that there is nothing that has as much potential for self harm and unbalance as a partly awakened soul, and that there will be plenty of experiences along that road that will be there to cause that lack of balance.

Warm regards

JT

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BlackBox,

These are some "special" words for you, but are also applicable in general.  These words did not just come off the top of my, they came from way off the top of my head... actually, if I'm reading the energy behind them correctly they're coming from your higher self... hehe, but it very well could be the collective also. 

"Learn how to be in the world wisely first before assuming scholarship."


G'bless you JT for writing all you did, saved me a lot of time.  I only want to add--

BB, time and experience are each strangely enlightening travelers, together they create a personal truth that speaks louder than adopting or espousing anothers personal truth, even if that another is a 6D light brigade, or who ever. 

There is more I could say, but I'm going to save those words until I get a reply from you about this--

...I'd like to go further with this with you if you wouldn't mind taking a "back seat" for a bit, practicing a little inner-retrospection, and performing a task or two.  Are you up to a little challenge?  I'm thinkin' you may grow "wiser" for doing so... I have a new found bowl of cherries to throw at you if you don't! big_smile (this is an inside joke for those of you scratching your heads)

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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First of All Sorry for the (subtle) change of my user name... {Password Issue}


I am going to back-pedal to the original issue of Parralel Realities as this is a rather important one. I will not go as far as saying this is the most useful thing you'll read today but I am tempted!
(I have discharged myself from the "Not-pushing people through the Veil" clause for personal reasons)

And to answer Mr. Black Box earlier question "How do you help People get there?" The answer might sound rude but: Get there yourself that's all that's necessary!


Ok,

Those of you who have taken time to UNDERSTAND and INTEGRATE the "Fluid" versus "Fixed" Reality question summarized in the fluid-Reality 11 versus the fixed-Reality (based on the 60/12/24 time division) mentionned in my earlier "thread" may have realized 
a) That the shift is quite easy to make   
b) The Nature of Fixed Reality induces repetition of patterns and self-fulfilling/Self-Justifying behaviour to a point that is really Frightening.


Techniques known as Non-Doing and "Stalking" (as per Castaneda etc.) enable one to produce the shift...Not easy...It takes time...
It is possible to achieve the same effect and experience Fluid Reality by acknowledging the above information. It also works.

Ever heard of "Small Towns" and "Strange Roads"...probably not in these terms but the idea may strike a chord regarding the nature of Fixed Reality conditionning-- I sound like Good Ol' Carlos today, Don't I?--

Have you ever noticed that even though most of you have lived where you live for several years there are place where you never go? Place where nobody seem to go even? Why not?

Why are these places avoided, unseen, ignored?
Is it because of an EXTERNAL influence? Is it because they do not correspond to people's own vibrational state and therefore "repulse" them?

I have experienced with these "Localized Parrallel Worlds" in the past and also more recently. It's fun but also scary at times.
When one becomes ABLE to identify and enter these places (could be a store, a street, an area, a whole country even, who knows?) their unusual-ness is striking. I will not give any detailed examples. It is better to live it for you to discover. I suggest not to dwell in those places except if there is a clear (magical) purpose.


On that subject I want to point out that the information given on iron and magnetite here and in the C material is very helpful. I find it useful to carry a piece of raw magnetite (not directly in the pocket as it can cause physical discomfort due to its high-vibration) or lodestone (smooth, lower vibration) during such "Journeys".
Iron rich diet is helpful ESPECIALLY in the "Fluid" Realms.

Whatever you do make sure you avoid any excursions that could end up in alien abduction, I will not be held responsible (lol)

Have Fun!

>>>>I'm gonna make some chicken liver salad and smoke some additive-free cigarettes now (wink, wink)<<<<

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49 (edited by Christine B. 2004-05-21 09:00:13)

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I'm terrible with riddles, don't much like charades and scavenger hunts have never been a fav of mine.

So, for those of us - or perhaps just me - who is user name challenged...who were you and who are you now (said the Red Queen smile )

Thanks,
Christine
PS: OK, I went through the member list and found (the old) you.  Perhaps if you clued me in on what your old and new names signify, that would help me.  Thanks.

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Auendove wrote:

There is more I could say, but I'm going to save those words until I get a reply from you about this--

...I'd like to go further with this with you if you wouldn't mind taking a "back seat" for a bit, practicing a little inner-retrospection, and performing a task or two.  Are you up to a little challenge?  I'm thinkin' you may grow "wiser" for doing so... I have a new found bowl of cherries to throw at you if you don't!  (this is an inside joke for those of you scratching your heads)

You guys are making me blush with the attention.

Listen Auendove, I consider it a privilege to speak with you people. From all of the forums, this is the most respectful community I have entered yet, which means I haven't had to tell my mom on any of you yet. (since everyone considers my age correlating to my experience, sounds fitting) big_smile

I think there is a difference between NOW, meaning the transition period and EVER BEFORE.

We are not the collective knowledge and experience of just our current lives. At this moment in time, EVERYTHING is accelerating. Children are coming in with vast past-life experience in order to help/observe this transition, which is now within a decade.

I haven't read JT's post yet, but I did Auendoves, and I just wanted to state this.

Children will arrive in days to come that will be even more accelerated than anything today. The time it takes for a baby to form will be accelerated (probably 3 months instead of 9) and the babies will be able to speak and communicate with clairvoyance within months of being born.

What I'm saying here is that we cannot assume experience on our current lives are as important as humanity is used to consider. It doesn't work that way anymore because the time-locks are being unlocked, hence time is collapsing, literally. We have to think of the upcoming wave/transition/whatever as something in direct conjunction with what is occuring right now. We are, in many ways, creating the shift.

Anyways, I'll read and go on shortly. big_smile

51 (edited by BlackBox 2004-05-21 10:07:05)

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JT, I've never had such a diplomatic approach taken to me. Thank you.

JT wrote:

It is a highly convincing closing of the/a loop that resonates on many levels - BUT there is something about it that does not quite ring as solidly as it should do.

Well, my experience with the C's isn't very shallow. I went from reading it and being in awe with the material, becoming a regular writer (for a short-while) at casschat, then had troubles there and had to learn a lot about what exactly I was missing that they thought I was neglecting. That took me to a forum called "WhatReallyHappened" where we discussed the C-material/and other material vastly. It was a very critical time of discussion. In the meantime of all of this, I had a long correspondence with some of the veterans at Casschat who continued to help me through the material, and to be able to discern the 30% bias into everything. After that forum, I finally arrived at Montalk by the advice of one of the vets. He's been a great guide tricking me to learn from disinformation and seeing if I would emerge out of the snakes-pit.

So the things that "don't ring", I understand, but I have discussed the C-material to death, so I believe I do not deify the material or anything of the sort. I know it pretty well, sometimes word-for-word. This has allowed me to look at the material differently than I first did. Especially since reading material that supposedly coincides with it, yet simply acts like smoothly a rough diamond.

JT wrote:

None of us can normally go from unconcious to concious or from asleep to awake in the course of 1 night, or even 12 months. This is a long road along which we all need to have our wits about us.

Well I think you have made many good points. I'm not sure how to respond to your liking, for we can only be sure of ourselves in life.

I can say that at a time, I perhaps fell into such illusions and was gullable to many things that had the "allure" effect. But I've spent many months, conflicting through thoughts, through programming, in which I began to set away from my clique of friends and then spent half a year spending time with only myself. I spent countless hours at University, everyday, just sitting on a computer or a by a book, reading and reading and reflecting and reflecting. I've spent so much time alone that I've become finally confident in my own judgment and analysis. I know when my programming comes in, and where my ego stands. Bringers of the Dawn is written as you say, but it is the information between the lines that I am passionate for. Sometimes the way it is written annoys me, because it speaks like a new-age book that seems to attempt to gain allegiance. However the details I've always looked for are the intersections from one material to another. I try to not only cross-reference, but lateral reference.

Before it was a matter of learning and being in awe. Now it is with all the knowledge I have from all of these pieces of material that have fallen in my lap, that lay dormant in my mind as a reference.

The thing is, before I ever found myself with the C-material, BOD, Ra, or any of it, I first re-programmed my mind. I found a system to identify my self-destructive beliefs and then disabled each one of them, allowing a new structure to form. When that happened, THEN all of this material came to me naturally. It was as if I tuned my frequency for all of these things to naturally fall into my path.

The odd thing was that I knew intuitively the main things they would reveal. I always had a belief of Atlantis, the Egypt was a disjecta-membra of. I've always had intuitive signs that gave away the OP phenomena. I could see the draining cycle and I when I read such material, all of these little things, came together. The problem was I had to soak it all in, and then discern from it all.

So, I'm not sure if I should keep writing. I think your post was highly useful.

JT wrote:

a) How much of the above doctrine that you quote is your own experience?

I now have visualization and interaction with my chakra-system. I have vivid dreams that are always symbolic to my journey. Never nightmares or any types of conflicts. If I do have a conflict in my dream, that signals me to slow down and reshuffle, so to speak.

My energy-level is sky-high from this process. Qigong allows me to sense vibrations from other beings, while sensing my own vibrations from the varying degrees from toes to head. My crown-chakra thumps when I'm concentrating and visualizing.

Most of my experiences are validated by people here or on other forums. I believe everything is coming together in an accelerative manner. I do things like visualize veins of gold and my entire body begins to fluctuate amazingly with bioelectricity. The things that occur through these visualizations are extremely useful as validation of my own microcosm of truth.

I think I'll stop though and respond again at a later point.

Channeled material can only take you so far. The rest is up to you by knowing that reality truly responds to every thought you hold. If people have not tried identifying self-destructive beliefs, they should definately do so, because doing this will prove that reality changes drastically when you attempt to change one's core-beliefs. This is through alpha-theta states, which as we are machines, this is how you access our root-progamming. Once people do this in masses, reality will change in such magnitudes, and the final wars of this planet will come into play.

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Not really happy how I responded to this, but I guess it's fine. I typed it way too fast due to being in a rush, but I think I have everything I wanted to say in there. I didn't get in detail though... I'll be back on shortly.

52 (edited by JT 2004-05-21 10:23:52)

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Hey BB,

Thankyou for the well considered answer so far :-D, I will wait until you have fully completed your post before I answer.

You wrote "He's been a great guide tricking me to learn from disinformation and seeing if I would emerge out of the snakes-pit"

Was "tricking" supposed to be "teaching"? or is it used in this context where you are from?


Also I did not understand this : "I'm not sure how to respond to your liking, for we can only be sure of ourselves in life."

Which liking do you mean?

Warm regards

JT

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Rotatora wrote:

Have you ever noticed that even though most of you have lived where you live for several years there are place where you never go? Place where nobody seem to go even? Why not?

Why are these places avoided, unseen, ignored?
Is it because of an EXTERNAL influence? Is it because they do not correspond to people's own vibrational state and therefore "repulse" them?

Yuppers good buddy, I have noticed this, and it is very odd.  It makes me think of the saying, "To each their own".  When I'm out of my elemental/vibratory stomping grounds and into anothers it's a very queer feeling, I have to reason with myself so as not to feel as though I'm in danger.  But once I do find my reason and relax, what a thing it is to people watch there!  I can easily reflect as to how and why I am what I am.

You know what wigs me even more is that I have met "virtual" strangers, only coming to know them through emails and talking on the phone, who I find more of a kinship with, in a short amount of time, than I do my own blood kin.  HA!  If my mother completely knew of my convictions she would vehemently tell me I'm going straight to Hell, and then proceed to pray like a zealot that Jesus saves my soul.

To each their "own", yes?

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

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Hey JT,

JT wrote:

Was "tricking" supposed to be "teaching"? or is it used in this context where you are from?

I use the word "tricking" because I think all good teachers trick their students into learning what they don't necessarily expect.

Like in the beginning I acted as a child full of candy. Yet I didn't understand that in all information lies two types, sweet and sour.

So from the long emails we corresponded in, he would give me exactly what I wanted by sending me a to certain group, website, etc, and as I would enter that collective and learn from the similarities they shared with me, the differences that they soon revealed allowed me to understand my own perspective clearer. In the beginning I thought I was a radical compared to the others in casschat, because I believed human beings, together in networks, could play chess also. They believed to be in the game, is to be unable to move the pieces, as we are all sheep. So I went into collectives that believed the other way around, and in the end, I learned to find my own beliefs in the middle of both sides. That, even though I thought I was a radical, I realized I was a moderate. That to truly live in a world by the virtue of objectivity, balance must be your stance. To not be in balance is to have a preference/bias.

By sending me to these places, he made it sound like I would learn and fit-in there, but the latter was never the case. I would learn much by not the similarities, but by the differences that only I seemed to be able to observe. Literally hundreds of posts to realize this at the end. smile So I learned much in a short amount of time through these different pits I stepped into.

JT wrote:

Which liking do you mean? (In regards to "sure of ourselves")

I mean that I want to respond to you as best as I can, but I'm uncertain if I am answering what you are seeking. See, I understand your perspective but I'm not sure exactly how one, who is only briefly known to the other, can signal that he understands where the other is coming, and that he also agrees. Yet at the same time, I think at our present state, it is impossible to share some of the aspects that are in my mind. I cannot express some of my experiences into words. It is a knowing combined with a sense of trust/faith that arose from my past conflicts. It is a state of mind. So I'm not sure if any response can give you justice for what you seek.

See, I read your a's to d's in criteria, and I find it difficult to fully explain my perspective. Because some things can only be validated by looking within, finding peace within a subject, and continuing down that road. I believe that my life is to be on this journey, so I never want anyone to think I claim complete understanding of any of these subjects. Only that I have strong familiarity in expressing what I type.

JT wrote:

c) What aspect of you is evaluating and deciding, often with absoloute conviction, what "is" and what "is not"?

I believe the Pleidieans are correct in claiming many of us are here, not from incarnations from the past, but from the future. We are here on assignment to coordinate simultaneous actions that combine to change the NOW. Because quantum realities allow multiple probabilities for the future, it is the largest combined vibrations that can change things. There are primary-events that are the key, pivotal, points that lock time, the illusion, together. Time-locks are put at these primary events, then secondary and tertiary time-locks are reinforced on these primary events, so that the masses of sheep/humans follow the trail, step-by-step. When sheep want to change events, they must merely identify the primary event and combine their vibrations as to unlock the time-lock...This information is straight from Mariniak's book, "Earth". See, it is not the wording that seeks allegiance that resonates with me. That is actually the side of the book that makes me skeptical at times. But the key points, like game-theory upon primary events and time-locks are highly familiar to me. As if I've heard it over and over and over again and as if I'm getting warmer and warmer to my own purpose.

Your ego-comments are useful. The farther I've gone down the rabbit-hole (very recently I may add) the more my ego resides. My programming seems to be submissive suddenly, as if it suddenly lost 10 of its grips on me. The saying of a weight lifting from one's shoulders. That is what it feels like. Before I would have a side of me that would want success for reasons that are self-serving dominantly and serving-others submissively. This has reversed now. Clairvoyance and the senses of my intuitive side are becoming apparent. When my sister touches my hands, she says she actually feels the energy going right to her. Even though I do not tell them on what's going on, they let me know there are changes. Now I want success to complete an assignment I feel I'm on. I have no doubt that I'll begin my work soon enough, but I still have a strong feeling in me that says to continue disciplining my mind and body. I believe the tales of achieving a "light-body" is true and I think that's where one is headed when following these steps.

Like the spinning 33 times, 3 times a day, has especially affected my energy cycles and my trust in the whole process. This is so simple yet I believe only a fractional amount of people are doing this. That bothers me since doing this for a couple weeks would help others understand why I just "believe" all of a sudden. I'm not skeptical on certain factors because it feels innate. It feels like tickling a person's purpose.

55 (edited by JT 2004-05-21 11:58:38)

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Hi BB,

I first of all want to say that from where I am sitting there is no doubt in my mind that you are shining a lot of light and that was clear from day one.

It does not suprise me when I read of all that you experienced and the subsequent growth in your recent history, and you are to be congratulated  - I have no doubts about your good intention.

There is an increased responsibility with carrying a lot of light.

You have even more reason to be more discerning than ever.

The more light you shine the more responsibility falls upon your shoulders.

You question the motivation behind every thought.

Every thought you think, every word you say, every sentence you write is where that responsibility lies.

I remember a few years ago when I lived and breathed exactly the material and similar, that you are quoting now, and with as much enthusiasm if not more. For every metaphysical question, there was a "channeled" answer or thoughtform that would appear in my mind without any effort.

It took me a while to appeciate that I had become completely surrounded and engulfed by this material, and that many of my "channeled answers" were from material and media I had read, and that in living and breathing it 24/7 I was partially programming myself.
I was then doing a lot of unconcious reality creating in relation to this. I was also using a variety of mind programming techniques, some of which were also audio such as hemi-sync and similar.

Someone advised me to check all the audio material with my pendulum and I found that some 60% of the material had some kind of what can only be called subliminal programming.

I then did some further de-programming.

There is a point somewhere during the period of growth when the ego and the light are seeking balance and this is when the ego, although ii is reduced in dominance and is faded, in actual fact also becomes even sneakier. Whats remains of the ego is under our noses but we dont see it.

Think of the sneakiest you have ever been, or think of how sneaky you could be if you really wanted to be -  and you will know then that this is how sneaky the ego can be. :-)

My intention here was just a gentle heads up to consider the responsibilities of shining that light.

Warm regards,

JT

56 (edited by BlackBox 2004-05-21 11:49:24)

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I'm just happy to be here, thinking the way I do.

I feel privileged to be able to network with all of the brilliant people I keep finding in my path.

I take your advice to the grave, JT.

That's all I have to say. big_smile

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JT wrote:

Think of the sneakiest you have ever been, or think of how sneaky you could be if you really wanted to be -  and you will know then that this is how sneaky the ego can be. :-)

If you're right about this, then I'll be have to extra careful.

In a way, isn't the ego simply the soverign "I" of the NOW, attempting to continue to exist and have meaning? I guess all of the dreams from which kids dream, teenagers lust, and adults goal for, are hard to let go of.

You're advice in this matter is rattling.

Thanks again,

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BB wrote:

After that forum, I finally arrived at Montalk by the advice of one of the vets. He's been a great guide tricking me to learn from disinformation and seeing if I would emerge out of the snakes-pit.

You ask me a question and I respond if I can, nothing more to it. I have never intended to trick you into learning. "Trick" has a very negative connotation. Even if you accidentally used the wrong word, I must say you have a talent for saying one thing while implying the opposite, like Hamlet praising his stepfather while subtly revealing his true agenda.  Also, don't take my emails to signify any sort of favoritism, as I give everyone the benefit of a doubt and respond in kind when there is even a 1% chance the request is sincere.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

59 (edited by BlackBox 2004-05-21 14:15:11)

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Montalk wrote:

After that forum, I finally arrived at Montalk by the advice of one of the vets. He's been a great guide tricking me to learn from disinformation and seeing if I would emerge out of the snakes-pit.

Montalk, I didn't mean implying you, I meant the person who directed me to your website, among many others. I chose to speak in your forum after reading your articles. There I go with unclarity again.

By saying "I finally arrived at Montalk", I meant Montalk the website, not Montalk as in Tom. big_smile

You have been a correspondence while the other has been more of a sage.

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Tora, Rota and all the variations on these four letters are part of what are called magic squares. A type of pentacle in a square.

I will try to reproduce it:

R   o    t     a
o    r    a     t
t    a    r     o
a    t    o     r


Beside it being pretty to look at, the letters spell: Rota= "The wheel" in latin, Orat="He speaks" in latin, Tora=Hebrew Holy book, Taro= tarot... and Rota backwards. It is used in Magic.


I will back pedal again to Mr Montalk posting further up regarding Peyotl etc. I agree with the C's. Drugs will show you what you want to see but WITHIN YOUR FIELD of awareness. Somebody whose  mind is completely limited to Mathematics for example will "trip" within that particular field and within his existing knowledge of it + the one which he is able to access (which is obviously dependant on the existing one)...Goes back to my conception and experience of Parralel Realities as discussed up there. How would you describe a color to somebody who was born blind? etc.

Talking about sight and color I am gonna go and spit some venom on that horrible thing I saw written here earlier .

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