Re: Parallel Timelines

Thought I'd resurrect this thread.  Not sure if I should or not, if it's worth it, but lately the idea of parallel timelines has been rearing its head with me in a major way, more insights, more revelations about it all.    I realize even more that my alternate New York self really is / was real, and not just my imagination.   On a related note, I realized that since moving here to Virginia I feel that in general, I've just been drifting along like in a dream.   Like I don't have much invested in anything.  No emotional attachments, no emotional connection to this area, which is unlike me.  Wherever I live I usually form some sort of strong feeling, a sense of "place" for where I live, whether I like it or not, whether I plan on staying or I'm just passing through.  I had a strong magnetism for Portland Oregon, and I immediately bonded with Florida - I was destined to live there, whether permanently or temporary, it was destined that I at least show up and wave and say hello, but that's another story I guess.    California - loved my time there, appreciate every moment I was there, and it lingered as my "home" for quite awhile after I left.   Wherever I live I like to fully explore it, drive all over, absorb it all in, take tons of pictures, fully experience it.   But here?   Not really.   It's a nice place and all, don't get me wrong, and it has a great vibe, beautiful scenary, lots of nature.   But I feel like I'm just floating or something, drifting above it, not really down in it, if that makes sense.   I don't know what's going on.  It's been 8 months now, and it's like I have to force myself to form an attachment.   Like, "Okay, you will bond now!   Bond!   Bond, dammit!"  big_smile    Montalk (tom) mentioned something about how maybe, this timeline isn't as strong as some of my / our others, and for that reason, I don't have as much energy invested in it....?   That tripped me out, because it's as good a theory as any, and one that many people might not consider.   

I feel like I wasn't supposed to make it this far on this timeline, it wasn't really fully in the cards that I'd get here to Virginia, and keep things going like this.   Not just because there are at least 8 times when I should have died but didn't, (yup, more stories for other times) but I just feel like I've somehow pushed past the limit of what I was expected / intended to do, and it's like all new territory.  It's hard to explain this, and put it into words.   Plus I think I have a habit of dying young in my past lives, so this whole "Living past age 30" thing is another unexpected kink in the works.  I arrive, burn the candle at both ends, cram in a bunch of nonsense and craziness, then kick the bucket.   This time though....I'm still here.  (after arriving, burning several candles at all ends, cramming in tons of nonsense and craziness, and dodging the reaper at every turn!)   Weird.

The dream-like state could be from any number of reasons.   I had a thread going last year called "Life is but a dream", talking about this phenomenon.  Who knows what it is.  Maybe parallel timelines is to blame, maybe not.  Maybe I'm just mental.  wink   I just know that with the realization / revelations about my New York existance, I now am able to look back at my bizarre, surreal, strange childhood in Connecticut and my life in general in a WHOLE new way.   Things are starting to make a lot more sense now.  Pieces coming together about why my parents were the way they were, why my brother was the way he was, just everything.   This life, this timeline, wasn't the main timeline.  New York was.  This was the spin off.   People are going to act and be a lot more weird I imagine in a spin off timeline than they would in the "main" one.  Expecially if they don't have themselves invested in it.

So now I have to figure out why *I* was invested in it.     

It's just so strange trying to view the events of your life through the lens of parallel timeline understanding.  Going back through the events of your life and now seeing them as a simultaneous occurance that was happening alongside an entire other existance.  !  Trying to imagine what I was like in that other existance.   How did I turn out?   What did I look like??   How did my family fare over there?   Cause they sure as hell didn't fare well over here.   I know I'm taller over there.  I can't be 5'3", because my growth was stunted from the meningitis I caught at age 1 1/2 in Massachusetts.  My taller than average height until that age and my long limbs give this away....over there I'm tall.  Not here!   In this timeline I've convinced myself that I enjoy being tiny.   What if I enjoy being tall over there??   Silly little things, but it's fun to think about.

Now when I'm sitting in the cafeteria at work eating, surrounded by mundane talk from fellow coworkers in all the various departments, as CNN blares in the background on the tube, I wonder....how many other mundane scenes just like this one have I played out in other timelines?  Other jobs, other coworkers, other cafeterias, other mundane conversations in other states?   Crazy.  I can't see anything around me anymore the way I used to.   I feel like in a way I'm integrating things now, even though I haven't pulled up any new memories.  It's still a form of integrating, just acknowledging it and thinking about it and seeing things differently.   One of the few flashes / glimpses I've had of another timeline involved me at lunch at a Taco Bell looking place with a female coworker, and she was saying something pretty clever.....clever for that timeline, anyway.  I was very mellow, just sitting across from her listening to her, going, Huh....where did you come up with that?? I wish I could remember what she said.  smile  Oh well.   But it wasn't a coworker I've ever had in this timeline, and it was me, but yet slightly different.   A parallel reality.

The one thing I've seen as the common denominator in these glimpses of other timelines is that I'm a lot more mellow in all of them.   More dazed almost.   The way I would have turned out had I not gone through 9 years in my personal hell prison called Connecticut.  That to me is the most interesting thing of all.   I used to wonder if my brother still found his way into my life in that timeline.   A very psychic member of NR who I email with confirmed this, (which means she was also able to confirm the existance of the NY timeline)  and she passed a long a message that was relayed to her to give to me....that yes, Joe was there too, but in that timeline he achieved more of his potential.  He didn't turn out the way he did over here.   

Everybody was messed up over here.  yikes.   So why am I still here then?????   Who knows!   

It's mind boggling.  Anyway, I'm resurrecting this thread to add more thoughts to it, see if it triggers anything for anybody else, see if anybody out there has their own experiences with this.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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I've been in Massachusetts for years, since my senior year of high school, and I've never "bonded" with it. I've definitely exploited it's good
points as far as they can go, and there are alot of "brains" here, as you said

       

Lyra wrote:

It's a nice place and all, don't get me wrong...

BUT... I also feel like I'm not really "down in it", not really "here", at least not like I was in high school and college. When I go back to California, sometimes I feel like I have never left! I'm there. It feels "real", more vibrant. I did resonate with NY.

What I am interested in for now is Connecticut. You mention that it was
"bizarre" and "surreal". I had a meditation teacher from Connecticut, who had moved to NY. He was charismatic, bizzare, and surreal, along with alot of good things, but he was from Connecticut, and I always
wondered about that connec-ti-ction. Urp.

Wow, since living in Mass, alot of supernatural stuff has happened, and
I've met alot of "bad" people (as in bad bad, not bad good) who like to
hurt others just for the heck of it, but it's been sort of a shrug reaction
on my part. As if it's not the events within the timeline that create
a bond, but, as Montalk mentioned, the strength of the timeline itself.

I wonder if the phrase "I ain't down wit' dat" has anything to do with this?

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What if you're pretty certain that there is no such thing as time to begin with? What if, in fact, amongst most of the people one knows, I seem to be the only one who lives this reality every day of my life? Odd that.

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hi all

kewl thread, glad its been brought back up

i, too, am big into the timelines and parrallel universes/timelines / time travel things.

i wanted to share a sort of vision i had regarding parrallel timelines, this was maybe 2 years ago max:

picture a very strong, heavy-duty ROPE. you know, something like an entwined rope, which is made up of smaller strings/threads, which entwine (twist around each other as they go up) to make the larger, stronger rope.

the overall rope represented the main timeline, or the overlaying timeline. i considered this to be "destiny" or the plan.

each individual thread was an individual timeline, with its own route that somewhat deviates from the main timeline in some ways, but ends up going to the same point in the end (in most cases)

the thing is, sometimes we start to unravel these individual threads/timelines, the threads become loose, and start to fray out the sides. maybe this is where that "dreaming/ floating along" feeling comes into play? (just a guess)

im not all too sure what this vision means entirely, and i revise it or re analyze it from time to time, like just now.

other things 2 consider,

theres probably many ROPES, and they themselves entwine around other ROPES, creating an entirely new step in the fractal style of things... go figure

the entwining, while symbolic of course, can help illustrate the rythmic, or cyclic nature of it, like if u can visualize a thread that twists around an axis (without seeing the actual axis/rope) from a side view, the thread would like like a normal wave pattern (aka, sin or cos, etc) as it goes up and down (but in reality it is going around in 3d -- we only see 2d)

the original vision of this was actually having to do with destiny and straying away from it, but me being the "macrocosmic everything is everything" kind of guy, figured it applied here as well, and detiny and timelines are kinda the same thing anyways... right?

hope this doesnt sound completely confusing and wacked out!

wink

z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Okay this just came to mind. The idea of parallel universes or timelines relates to the STS hyperdimensional entities. I think being awake makes it harder for the STS hyperdimensional entities to control/manipulate us because we can not go with the flow of the matrix world. We can stop for a moment and make a critical choice that does fork our timelines away from the matrix choice or timeline which may make it harder for the STS hyperdimensional entities to keep track of us to calculate our next move so they don't know WHERE we, our SELVES are in all of these timelines.  Sorry just a thought that came to mind wanted to type it out before I forgot it.

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And wow I just had a premination right before i finished that last post and it happend, guess I'll share the story something kind of small but still i saw it and it happend. Just this girl IM'd me that I havent talked to for a few months and I even guessed that not only would she IM but tell me that she would tell me she had broken up with her b/f and yup thats exactly what she told me.

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SednaSphere wrote:

What I am interested in for now is Connecticut. You mention that it was
"bizarre" and "surreal". I had a meditation teacher from Connecticut, who had moved to NY. He was charismatic, bizzare, and surreal, along with alot of good things, but he was from Connecticut, and I always wondered about that connec-ti-ction. Urp.

Well, Connecticut itself wasn't bizarre or surreal, just my personal experiences there.  My family, just the way my life was.  I had a weird childhood.  Strange enough, Connecticut and Massachusetts are probably the only places I've lived where the environment itself didn't feel surreal and trippy.............but the further along I went in life, the longer and farther ahead on the timeline I plowed, (moving to California where I lived all over the place and worked at a bezillion jobs, etc.) then the more dream-like and surreal life became.   It could be a natural thing that's happening to a lot of people nowadays - all the talk about the Shift and the changes people will be experiencing; it could be my imagination, and like I said maybe I'm just mental, or there's some physical cause and explanation for it;  or maybe the further along I plowed on a timeline that was a branch off to begin with, dodging death on numerous occasions, then maybe the weirder and more surreal things felt as a result of that.  I don't know.   I kinda tend to think it's the last option.  Because in every other way possible I'm "sane".   wink  (yes, I know people, try not to laugh too hard.  haha!) 


SednaSphere wrote:

Wow, since living in Mass....I've met alot of "bad" people (as in bad bad, not bad good) who like to hurt others just for the heck of it

Yes, that was what I encountered in CT.   My 9 years of prison hell, surrounded by people like that.  yuck.

You know, I really liked my childhood in Mass. though, (we lived in Westfield.)  I wished we'd never left.  I considered moving back at several points, either to western Mass by the NH border, or to the Boston area.  I guess I'm glad I didn't.  But hey...maybe I know you over on my possible Boston timeline Sedna.  big_smile  Wouldn't that be a trip?    haha  (turns out we like, wound up working at the same company or something on that timeline.  big_smile  )



zonabi - Thanks for the vision input, very interesting idea indeed.   smile  It's a great analogy, actually.



E3mpirical1 - That's a good point about making independent, unusual life choices that stray outside of what people typically do in the "matrix."   It probably is a lot harder to keep up with people when their lives are varied and unpredictable.   There's a reason that society likes to label everybody and put them in their tidy little predictable boxes -- it's because many people CAN be labeled and boxed in so easily, their behaviors centered on habitual repetitive patterns which are comfortable and familiar.   In fact, Theun Mares writes about this in his Toltec teachings books.  He strongly advises introducing variety into your life and mixing things up so as to avoid becoming a boring, predictable creature of habit.  It's the warrior's way to not succomb to that sort of life.  For the Toltecs, it's all a part of the stalking process;  a warrior not only stalks others, but he avoids being stalked himself.  So yes, good point!  Keep moving about, always do things differently, take different paths, make unusual choices...don't be predictable.   Make yourself hard to keep up with.

And on a sidenote...maybe when you were pondering this rather unusual topic, with the mind opened and relaxed and tuned to another way of thinking, it allowed other stuff to get through...such as that premonition.  Interesting!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Lyra, several temp agencies come to mind as possible Boston area timeline jobs. Maybe certain people we worked with on those jobs, too!
It's getting all Twilight Zony again!

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I've been trying to visualize how this might all work--both the concept of diverging timelines and the merging timelines.  How about this for a theory:  Both the diverging of timelines and the merging are related to an increase in consciousness.  We can only start creating diverging timelines when we start being able to communicate with our past and future selves, premonitions and stuff.  See if we don't have an outside factor, like visions from the future, there is no reason to make different decisions, in my opinion.  Once we learn how to create multiple timelines, then we exist for a while creating multiple versions of reality.  And then we start communicating with those selves who still exist in other timelines.  The way we converge the timelines also would involve conscious communication.  As we converse with our other selves we grow these selves back together, ending up in the same place.  So, we all find ourselves on NR, living in New York or some such.  This process could be assisted by  higher level positive entities, and interfered with by higher level negative entities.* 

What I am trying to say in short is that I don't think this whole process is an automatic one, wherein every choice we could possibly make is carried out in an alternate universe (like whether I put grape jelly on our toast or strawberry jelly this morning).  That just doesn't sound right somehow.  I think it has to involve a growing level of consciousness that maybe starts to learn how to transcend time first along individual timelines; then across the multiple ones it has helped create.

The only glimpse I have had of an alternate timeline was in.............NEW YORK!  What is it about New York?  Are we all meeting at a "Noble Realms" there.  Hehe, maybe its a "Tom's Tavern" in that timeline. big_smile  Maybe "Noble Realms" is actually a focal point for convergence???   

Kathy

*As I was typing "interfered with by higher level negative entities" at 7:11 AM my connection was suddenly cut. roll

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lol, I was wondering what to write, as I have had many 'experiences' regarding alternative selves & feel I've got something to offer this discussion,  but what just happened was even better smile   I just opened my "Messiah's Handbook" which Tom kindly sent me (which is a story in itself) and it opened on the page which simply read:

"Every Turn in your life
Every time you decide
You become parent
To all your alternate selves who follow. "

just thought i'd post that. I love it when little coincidences happen like that smile

Cheers
DALE

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hi Kathy;

u know, your above post really got my mind going (especially so early in the morning)

basically what i got from it, was that timelines aren't being created haphazardly, all over the place... no- that would seem like an out of control replication technique.

instead, the division of timelines takes on some order, based on its nessecity ?

for example - "drone people" dont realize any of this, thus aren't making / dont have parrallel timelines? maybe not as many?

but a psychic or dreamer would visualize or accept such a notion, and this is what opens up the new timeline.

it reminds me of the idea that nothing really exists until you actually SEE it.

but, personally, i think that all of the timelines are there, stored somewhere in some kind of fractal memory location. it stays there, dormant, until it is called upon by (a) consciousness(es), then it manifests into its appropriate channels.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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askewd wrote:

lol, I was wondering what to write, as I have had many 'experiences' regarding alternative selves & feel I've got something to offer this discussion,  but what just happened was even better smile   I just opened my "Messiah's Handbook" which Tom kindly sent me (which is a story in itself) and it opened on the page which simply read:

"Every Turn in your life
Every time you decide
You become parent
To all your alternate selves who follow. "

just thought i'd post that. I love it when little coincidences happen like that smile

Cheers
DALE

Oh my lord!   How trippy!  I've had the same phenomenon with this book as well, (thanks to montalk for my copy as well! smile  ) and the same phenomenon with "Illusions", the book it's spun off from.   One time I was lamenting that I'm not really that good of an artist (painting, drawing).  Right as I said that I had the urge to reach up to my book shelf for my copy of "Illusions".  I opened it up randomly and the page just happened to have one of the Messiah Handbook excerpts that said, "Argue for your limitations and they will be yours."   !   I laughed and got the point.   smile   

This book is great for this sort of thing!

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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hmmm , feeling a little left out... where can i score a copy of this Messiahs Handbook ?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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zonabi wrote:

hmmm , feeling a little left out... where can i score a copy of this Messiahs Handbook ?

Hi zonabi -  Should be available at any New Age / Metaphysical bookstore.  The author is Richard Bach, who wrote the book "Illusions - Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah." (as well as Jonathan Livingston Seagull.)     In "Illusions" there are excerpts from something called "The Messiah's Handbook", which are these musings about spiritual stuff.  So they actually put out a book which has all these musings that you find throughout "Illusions", as well as additional ones.   

What's cool is that on the little book jacket the author even tells you that before you buy it, think of a question, then open the book to any page for your answer to make sure that the book works.   !  big_smile  That's awesome.   Even more awesome is that it always does work!   (as askewd's post illustrated above.)  That's what I can't get over.   It's uncanny and freaky, but in a good way.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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45 (edited by montalk 2005-05-25 10:58:39)

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Hi Zonabi,

The Messiah's Handbook is a collection and expansion upon quotes found in the book "Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah" - a book about this guy who gives people rides in his little airplane and one day he meets another pilot who ends up being a messiah who  trains him to become one too. The training manual was this book, the Messiah's Handbook. But it's worth reading Illusions first, I attached it.  A hardcopy is better, of course...

I met Richard Bach a month ago and only had 20 bucks on me to buy two copies of the Messiah's Handbook for him to sign. He gave a talk about writing from the heart and being your true self, and when I got to speak with him for a minute he told me some interesting things about how tough times are coming up and how the world needs people like us (truthseekers, etc..).  He's a tall blond guy in his 50s with a warm heart and kind blue eyes...I'm positive he was an STO Nordic because just the week before I made a request to reality that I meet one out in public and have a little inspiring chat, which is exactly what happened

Anyway, the Messiah's Handbook is something worth getting in hardcopy but I didn't have enough money on me to get everyone a copy, otherwise I would have. Best I can do is post Illusions as an ebook. Zonabi, I'll email it to you since the files area is having problems at the moment.

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About alternate timelines, one thought that crossed my mind is that if some choices require more conscious thought/energy/intervention than others, then the more improbable a timeline the more consciousness must have been invested in it. The most probable timeline would be the one closest to default, closest to never making any exciting choices and just following the matrix programs from cradle to grave.

If any of this is true, then perhaps the more improbable a timeline, the less opportunities there would be for mundane lessons that would be big deals to more mundane timelines, suggesting that if you are on a highly improbable timeline then perhaps other timelines would be necessary for your soul to experience a large class of lessons that for you in this timeline may not be possible due to your rare life circumstance.

Or maybe by other timelines taking care of the relatively mundane lessons, your soul in this weirder timeline is freed up to get some unusual things done. Who knows...maybe there was always a mission to be fulfilled, but by goofing up in previous preparatory incarnations there is now a karmic burden infringing upon the mission at hand, so the soul incarnates into multiple timelines to spread the karmic rebalancing.

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