1 (edited by lyra 2004-05-13 07:54:10)

Topic: Nick Berg video being declared a fraud............??

http://www.rense.com/general52/decap.htm

http://www.rense.com/general52/stageda.htm

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.ph … ost1468521

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Re: Nick Berg video being declared a fraud............??

Well one thing is for sure.....there are plenty of smoke and mirrors!


This is similar to the APC that was supposedly blown up by an AT mine in Israel, killing 6 IDF soldiers a couple of days ago. It was reported that this occured in an olive grove and yet the pictures show it happening in the middle of a city. On top of that, the militants that were displaying body pieces were equipped with 4500 dollar IDF sniper rifles etc etc.

JT

3 (edited by Auendove 2004-05-13 12:36:13)

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When I first saw the video on the 11th my eyes went directly to the hand of the hooded figure second from the right, his hand was as pale as was Berg's face.  How could one not see that hooded figure was caucasian?

I had the feeling right away that to a great degree what I was seeing was staged, and quickly put my emotions is check.  I didn't see the part of the video footage, and won't, where he was murdered, but I see one of the above articles reveals it is physically impossible to be as tidy of a murder as they are saying it was viewed to be.   

And just when we thought we'd seen some of the worst U.S. military and political leadership had to offer.

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4 (edited by lyra 2004-05-13 11:24:37)

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Another link I just came across.......

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel … entid=1234

Audendove, I agree.   In the above link I just added in this post they talk about the same things you observed.   The white skin, the white sneakers, the American bullet proof vests, the American orange jumpsuits, the bad Arabic, the fact that the main terrorist who *supposedly* slit Nick's throad is  a. already long since dead, and b.  the voices don't match;  the fact that these guys were taller, fatter and stockier than typical Arab terrorists, and lastly, that the setting for the murder looked just like the prison where the Iraquis were tortured, with the yellow walls and fluorescent lighting.   Not to mention Nick's family's involvement in anti-war related campaigns and peace rallies, making him a target of the US government.   

Nothing is what it seem to be.   I'm slowly learning.   The hard way, after getting upset one too many times over stories I see in the news.  One day I'll finally learn though, and be detached from it all.   One day I won't buy any of it, and will stop reading any sort of news whatsoever, because it's all lies, all of it.

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5 (edited by ehhnus 2004-05-13 11:45:06)

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I agree about staying away from the news.  It inspires fear, and most of it isn't even real.  I was watching CNN today (while waiting for my lunch to be made) and the story dealt with an army invading chad and some other african country in the name of "ethnic cleansing" . people were starving, blah, blah.

while starvation is a massive problem, what caught my attention was an interview with an african man which had to be translated into american.  And i thought, "the translator can easily quote someone incorrectly...he could be talking about a movie he saw last week, and the translator could say that he's terrified and being bombed."  just a thought, although it may not be so extreme in real life.

i find that cnn.com is a sick addiction for me.  i tend to compulsively type in the address before even realizing it.  i went for years without watching the news (as a child i never liked it, now i'm "paranoid" enough as it is roll  )

i want to stay on top of everything, and it can give me a sense of panic.  i don't watch television, and reserve my tv for movies, otherwise give me a book anyday.

as far as nick berg, i looked over those articles that lyra posted, and i dunno.  since that faked madison kidnapping which happened a few months ago-  happened in my area...i'm sure some of you have heard of it?  i have a hard time jumping out of my seat for most things.  i wonder if he's dead?  or was dead already?  i don't know...what do you guys think?

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Re: Nick Berg video being declared a fraud............??

This whole Nick Berg scenario is very suspicious. His family claims the he was detained by the US government after being arrested by Iraqi police (on charges of being an Israeli spy). The video is quite unnerving to watch, and although it may depict a genuine decapitation, there are several strange things about it that don't seem right.

I'm surprised no one has tried to trace the origin of the video. I wonder how hard it would be to find out the single person who put the original video on the Islamic extremist web site where it originated.

Re: Nick Berg video being declared a fraud............??

Seems FreeRepublic forums "outed" Nick's dad on their list of anti-war people; mentioned the company name, too; you know, the company Nick was representing when he went to Iraq?  Their esteemed membership, many of whom are military, etc., boasted about using every means necessary to harass people on the list. 

http://www.paknews.com/headingNews.php? … 2004-05-13

Lies, lies, and more lies.  Nothing is what is seems.

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It's possible that Berg, or the Berg "lookalike that doesn't to me look like" was already dead when the decapitation took place, for some say that a live person would have bled extremely profusely. Or perhaps the decapitation was done separately, and then "spliced" on to the video. Suffice it to say the image of a hooded executioner and decapitation is one that provokes immediate outrage, loathing, fear and horror. This must be some splice job. I just don't see how all the inconsistencies already pointed out here can be overlooked. As distasteful as it is to look at it and say "these are Americans" I find a bell of truth tolling in my mind at the implications, and I do not like the cold sound of it....

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SednaSphere wrote:

I find a bell of truth tolling in my mind at the implications, and I do not like the cold sound of it....

Interesting, I thought about the same thing yesterday afternoon, the bell beginning to toll... it's rather resounding isn't it, there is something about feeling this that feels so irrevocable, huh?

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10 (edited by lyra 2004-05-14 08:19:09)

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Another good link I came across today, citing 15 anomalies in the beheading video, posted on Rense but taken from www.whatreallyhappened.com :

http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm



And another, from an interview with an Arabic translator:

http://www.rense.com/general52/ald.htm

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11 (edited by lyra 2004-05-14 10:27:24)

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This just in........................

Nick Berg's supposed company "Prometheus Methods Tower Company" doesn't even exist.

http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm … &rfi=6

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Lyra,

A personal note--

Thank you so much for being the "Information Specialist" that you are, keeping us up to speed the way you do.  I always appreciate your efforts as I'm sure do others. wink

A tip of my hat to you!

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13 (edited by lyra 2004-05-14 11:10:46)

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Hi Auendove -  Thanks.   I had to stop and think last night about why I was driven to start this thread and keep it updated with any new info. that comes in.   I think it's because this is such a galvanizing event, it's a huge, huge big deal because of what will come out of it down the line, and also, because of the huge psychological effect it's having on the general public and how its swaying their opinon about things.   I want people to realize (like I have, much too late)  that things are not as they seem to be.   The news is lies, all of it.   In fact, the more shocking the material, the GREATER the chance for deception.    And also, because of the fact that most of the public won't hear "the other side", the anamalies, the things that don't add up, the contradictions, the p.o.v. from supposed Arab translators who are saying that the U.S. government's official translation of the tape is wrong, that there never was a mention of "Al Quada" anywhere in the tape.    Most of the public doesn't go to alternative news sites like infowars.com, whatreallyhappened.com, conspiracyplanet.com, davidicke.com, rense.com, etc. etc.   They all go to like, CNN, or, MSN, or AOL or something, I don't know.  smile   Whatever the normal people do!  big_smile   So yeah, I'm glad people out there are benefitting from this thread, that's good to hear.

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Hmm, Berg = Borg? 

Long live the hive?  Movie channel jive (CNN)?  What really is the truth, cause there seems to be so much manipulation that society is in a nembutal numb in sooo many ways. 

Do you think this guy is under a witness protection ploy? and is not really dead perhaps?

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15 (edited by phlux 2004-05-14 15:35:02)

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I am thinking he is a psy-op agent, either knowingly or unknowingly...

He was either a mind-controlled slave that became the sacrificial lamb for the presidents and military's ass overthe prisoner debacle....

I just know that this is one more name that can be posted to Bush Body Count

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