Topic: tricks of the trade

do u guys think that an alien being has the power to freeze time around a select 3d person on earth, remove him (or his consciousness) from that location, take him somewhere for something, and place him back into his body within an instant ? to the point where the person wouldnt know the better?

or do u think there would have to be some kind of missing time ?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: tricks of the trade

zonabi wrote:

do u guys think that an alien being has the power to freeze time around a select 3d person on earth, remove him (or his consciousness) from that location, take him somewhere for something, and place him back into his body within an instant ? to the point where the person wouldnt know the better?

or do u think there would have to be some kind of missing time ?

Hi Z,

This is something I've gone round and round about myself!   The same exact question!   I think (and really, what do I know, I'm not Einstein! wink  )  but I think it involves reinserting somebody back into the timeline at the moment where they were taken..........?  So it's like they were never gone at all....?    I don't understand how their manipulation of "time" works.  It's beyond me.    It seems though that their usual mode of operation is the the whole missing time thing, for whatever reason.  Maybe it's just easier that way.   Snag somebody for an hour, just have them be missing for that time, who cares, then toss 'em back in the corn field, banged and bruised up.  But in the cases where people have family and roommates living with them, how it's done so those people remain unaware is beyond me.   Maybe they do freeze time.   Now that I think about it, I remember reading something about this in several abduction books, where the abductees report their spouses and family members seeming to be "frozen" in place, while they themselves floated out through a wall or something.   

Aliens are tricky, aren't they?   wink

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Re: tricks of the trade

lyra wrote:

Aliens are tricky, aren't they?   wink

they sure are, thats why i called this thread "tricks of the trade"

and thats what im wondering too, more notably about the situations where abductee lives with others, family, etc...

i mean, we can pretty much guess that time works way different in 4d, 5d , etc... on and on.... but the hard part is trying to understand HOW?

those snippets of info that abductees see their family "frozen" is very interesting tho, kind of matches up to what were talking about here.

im thinking, that theres various ways to "abduct" yet some aliens arent as advanced, (or dont care) thus the missing times, while other times, more advanced, or higher dimensional aliens / entities would probably be able to remove/insert you seamlessly.

"Hey, where are you going with my Soul !!!???"

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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okay, so heres my big idea on this:

if u know me, u know im big on the macro / micro cosms and the symbology thereof.

well, im a firm believer that alot of the technology that we have come up with recently can help us gain insight to how such an enormous fractal living breathing system such as our universe may actually tick.

okay, into done- here's my idea/realization regarding timelines/ missing time/ abduction

unfortunately, my analogies require that the reader have some familiarity with online gaming, more notably playing graphic/network intensive games on the computer over the internet.

okay: if youve ever played games online, you should know what LAG means. its short for Latency, meaning the slowness/speed of the connection between u and the server. a higher latency (a higher ping) means the connection is slower. a lower latency (ping) means faster connection, LESS LAG.

well, the example starts here. when i used to play Counter Strike on Broadband Cable modem, i would have low lag. But whenever i ran into another player who had Dial-Up, (read: who had alot of LAG) - he would not move smoothly on my screen. he would be choppy, he would skip around haphazardly, even DISSAPEAR on occasion, REAPPEARING in another spot later.

Apart from making it near impossible to shoot this guy, it kind of illustrates a possible analogy to the missing time, time manipulation techniques we hear about in the Alien Discussions.

Other things to notice here:
a) to me, i saw this guy skipping and jittery
b) in HIS view, everything looks "normal" meaning he is walking around normally
c) in HIS timeline, things tend to "happen" and he experiences them a few split seconds later (because of LAG)

i dont know, i guess i find some similarities here, and perhaps the latency can be equated with our frequencies or densities somehow.

bzzzzz

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: tricks of the trade

zonabi wrote:

do u guys think that an alien being has the power to freeze time around a select 3d person on earth, remove him (or his consciousness) from that location, take him somewhere for something, and place him back into his body within an instant ? to the point where the person wouldnt know the better?

Yes.  And remember that some humans might have this ability as well.  Perhaps some humans could do it with technology and others could do it with just mind powers.

zonabi wrote:

or do u think there would have to be some kind of missing time ?

I don't think that there would need to be perceived missing time.  I think that would depend on the awareness level of the subject being abducted.

I like your video game analogy.  I think that it is possible to slow down time and then do things that from a normal perspective would make it look like you were moving super-fast.

Eventually, you would reach a point where it looks like no time has passed at all.

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I played CS and know exactly what you mean Zonabi. It's an interesting point you bring up the only random idea i can come up with that has to do with time being distorted here and what not and relating to the CS thing is that maybe the cable/dsl and 56k lines are similar to our connection with our 'higher selves'. Our higher selves being us who are actually controlling the CS guyon our computers in the game, and the CS guy in the game being us here in the physical world. Basically the matrix theory lmao but yea so maybe higher dimensional beings are able to tamper with our connection/cable/phone line (56k) to our higher selves???? i dunno just throwing ideas out there

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I don't see why a hyperdimensional entity couldn't abduct you and return you at the exact sime time (like I'd know anyway).
If there are really military abductions made to look like aliens, and maybe if these are the majority -
then the MILABS would have missing time, and the real thing would be instant, perhaps?

Also, like the video game analogy, they apply in so many ways to damn near everything in this world! (really)

"Isolation, mis-education, and for the very clever there is looming liquidation."  -Catch Twenty-Two "Bad Party"

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i am of the mindset that yes indeed, if truely higher forces were to interact with 3D human, im sure it could all take place in less than a fraction of a millisecond, with the conscious being not consciously realizing it-- WHILE any other kind of wannabe 'abduction' perse, MILABS etc, would probably ensue missing time. good point.

a question tho, is that yes i can understand how 'less-dense' forces to whom time does not exist (or time isnt as solid) would be able to manipulate time with ease; but the real pickle is wondering how their manipulation can "enterfere" with us, in our physical world.

well, actually now that i think of it these kinds of abductions/enterferences probably DONT take place on the physical plane.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

9 (edited by montalk 2005-04-05 12:29:13)

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For those who are hyperdimensional, time for them would be similar to space for us. The typical metaphor used is a snail crawling along..it can only see what's right around it, but we can see several hundred yards ahead and even pick up the snail and put it elsewhere on its path.

Another metaphor would be us being characters in a book, and hyperdimensional entities being the editors. Maybe they didn't write the story, but they can alter details here and there, change the tone of a chapter, and maybe even insert a character or scene if it doesn't upset the plot.

That they can change history I don't doubt....but I also think they have limitations. The visual image I get is the game of pickup-sticks -- trying to remove a stick without disturbing the others. It can be done, but only with care and calculation. Maybe such forces cannot "undo" certain aspects of the timeline because it would interfere with the destinies of too many people, but they can shift/remove less significant aspects of our past in order to bias any further choices we may make.

Also worth mentioning is the idea that our level of conscious awareness somehow influences how easily we can be "edited". Like a superficial or insignificant character in a book, the editor may have an easier time making changes. Or, like a smaller and lighter stick, one can be more easily removed or shifted from the pick-up pile.

One last image I get is the roadway system with each of us driving along with a GPS mapping system showing what intersections are around us. Those with limited awareness have a pretty weak map, just a few major roads listed which they travel without deviation, making them very predictable. Maybe negative hyperdimensional forces can see the entire road map and set up an ambush or blockade several miles ahead of where they think you're going. But with sufficient awareness, your GPS navigation is so broad and detailed that you are guided into taking more creative routes using side streets, obscure exits, and shortcuts...making you unpredictable and rendering ambush/blockade efforts far less effective.

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Re: tricks of the trade

Zonabi talks of something that is analog to the theory that time is infinite reductable. I mean that when some relative point sees all normal, other point that works in a different frame of perceiving time, maybe can´t see or perceive that other relative point (of consciousness) that is in front of him. In one of our seconds, divided, could happen all the time of our frameline universe maybe infinite millions of years; why?, because seems not to be any elemental particle of time, this does apply to all other elemental particles theories.

The "no elemental particle" theory seems to be a kind of insurance against unauthorized authority.

11 (edited by Haven 2005-04-09 22:51:03)

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I think the whole thing's done on a different plane entirely.  Who knows how that plane relates to this one.  Like right-brain thinking, it works in jumps and intentions, not plotting.  *Flash*-you've been abducted.  A good analogy would be how long it takes to write a DVD and how long it takes to actually watch it.  A few hours our time could give them tons and tons of time for them to do whatever the hell they wanted, so a second could give them all the time they need to do...whatever it is that they do.

Another quick thought.  Sometimes I wonder if everything just exists at once and only a part of us, whatever we consider the "I" in the here and now, only draws things out and gives us the illusion of time.  Sort of like having all the information, and then processing it.  This part of our existence, this sliver of self, just does it in a way that gives us "time".  This type of existence would only require, perhaps, a desire or intention, and instant feedback from whatever source satisfies those desires or intentions.

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