Astrology and the alien agenda (Page 2 of 3)

Thank's for creating that thread Elvis.  Apart from having similar thoughts to the above quote, this is something that I  have been looking for.  It has been touched on conspiracy sites but not come to any greater clarification.  Was thinking of writing something on it, but couldn't sort of scramble it together on my own in a way.  And then there are people who fiercly defend astrology in an intellectually disputing manner, which in a way also points at that it is sort of a control system that keeps us away from a true experienced reality with neuroticizing mental barriers.

In addition to the above quote -etc. I 'd like to add that what I think, is that astrology is a major tool for TPTB to maintain MCS, and that the various aspects; like the ascendant, the moon etc, are presumably used in creating alters (alter programming)in regard to controlling people.  Individually or socially.
Of course, naturally astrology follows the seasons.  Like if you're for instance born in early september (like I am)you're  born into the time when the crops are taken in; a time of harvest when you physically are supposed to separate the shaff from the wheat and so on.  That we then also sort get mentally imprinted by the time we're born and the star constellations within that particular timeframe.  But beyond the time barriers is timelessness I guess.
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I once pictured the zodiac as a huge extra-dimensional wheel with segments that were like slots we went into. 

Another thing is that according to the celtic lore there is also a 13th sign of the zodiac.  This is Arachne, or the Spider.  Following the moon cycles and falling in between taurus and gemini.  As we know there are 13 moon cycles in the year.

The above post brings the topic into a more astronomical dimension/way of thinking.  A mathematical ordered universe. And it does make sense that we would be influenced by planetary aspects and so on as fractals in a greater universe. I do think however that astrology gives room to a lot of prejudice and is a tool as such in terms of selection etc.  As we know from conspiracy literature that also has a lot to do with eugenetics and so on as well.

I personally did read in quite a lot about astrology on my selfawareness path so to speak, but have in later years felt more and more inhibited by it and wanting to move away from it.  Likewise not feeling urged to know everybodys starsign.  This means meeting people more unprejudiced.  Anyhow; that's how I feel it.
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Hello all

    Since I posted this tread, I have read all your post. I have seen replies pro and against. It is good to see people talking and debating a subject. I believe that only this way we can advance our knowledge and it is a great thing to see so many involved in tread.
    I said that astrology is a tool to make us behave and be predictable just as our oppressors would like. Our history is filled with rulers and oppressive systems that used our superstitions and introduced false believes to control and enslave the human race, many time leading to genocide. I wonder where from did we learned how to act and behave like this then from those that came from the sky used and are still using the same procedures to put our reason and intelligence to sleep so we can't get to our true potential and accomplish our destiny.
    Some of you agreed to my idea some of you haven't. I'm not going to quote all of you here.
    What stands out is that there are two main streams in this tread. Those that don't believe in astrology at all, or believe it to be an oppressive tool. And those that believe that it’s more or less a real working science. I do have to point out that I too believe that there is an influence that the stars exercise on us. Not on our destiny though.

[ quote=zonabi ]one only has to look as far as the moon pulling the tides to see this.

  This is true zonabi, I agree with you, and I also agree that the gravitational pull that the moon and the other planets have on us is real. What happens (though I'm not a physicist and you may all correct me) is that that as gravity has an influence on our planet it has an influence on the plants and organisms on this planet thus including humans. I have to point out that the planets and the moon is no longer a god; we know that these are celestials body created through the same processes like our planet. So their influence is not spiritual but it is physical.
   I don't think have to go on and explain the effects that gravity of our own planet has on us. We all know it. So the gravity of the other celestial bodies also has an influence on us but it is just physical and not spiritual, thus they don't control our destiny. We have a free will and we can make our decisions and forge our destiny.
  For those of you that believe the stars and the planets have a spiritual influence I have a question for you: When, human kind will colonize other planets outside of our solar system? Will the current astrological readings be effective? Since those humans won't be living under the influence of the planets taken under consideration how can they apply the science of astrology from the old Earth to the "New Earth"? I guess they can't and they won't! Maybe they will develop another system that will be relevant to that solar system, or they will abandon astrology all together (the latter version being more likely to happen).
   These inhabitants of the "New Earth" will understand the influence of the planets gravity from that solar system, and interpret them strictly from the physical point of view as we should right now.
   Also in the beginning they will use our calendar and gradually make a calendar according to the movement of the planet they are on. This points out to the fact that the zodiac and the signs will be irrelevant to them then, as they should be to us. (This also affects the 13 month year debate)

   Some wrote that there are similarities among people born under the same sign.
   It is obvious that from our childhood we are bombarded with information and we are programmed how to think and how to behave. We have to conform ourselves to the expectations of those around us. It is then no surprise to me that people born in the same period of the year (sign) after being programmed should behave according to our program (just as a computer does).
   If truly is the case and the human race has been created through genetic engineering this would also explain these similarities. How? Simple! Genetic timers. I know this might be a long shot, and I'm not a geneticist or have done any extensive study on this. Still if that alien race is evolved enough to create a race through genetically engineering I don't think it would have any problems to implant some timers in or genes that will activate themselves when we are born (season, month, day etc. and influence our behavior). If this is the case then there is no escape for us but we have an advantage over them, we know what they want and we can act the opposite way and be free. If some of you think this is not the case because it would take to long for the plan to be effective consider this: They didn't create us over night it took thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of years to accomplish this. They think really long term plans. So, why not? As long as they accomplish their primary plan ... a slave race.
   Let me take you all a step further!!!!!!!!
   Let’s say that at one point in our early history another alien race shows up on Earth. This is a benevolent pacifist race. They see the tragedy that is happening with us and decide to interfere with the first race. They plan to expose and desire to explain to us what is really happening. There is one "small" problem. How to explain to a primitive race such an advanced science its implications and consequences of their programming???? How would you do it??? hmmmm??? How about analogies???? Sounds good! Something that everyone sees and stays the same and can be passed down through the generations! Hmmmm what could that be??? I know! The stars and the planets!
    What do they do? They turn the planets and the constellations in to persons (gods). Those gods are given personality and they are put into interaction with one another (myths). Putting thus in to plane view the hidden plan of the other alien race(s).  So what should the first race(s) do in this situation? They use the oldest trick in the book. Don't lie... just tell the truth and slip here and there a small lie and so you make the whole truth one big lie.
    As I said when I posted this thread: I was in bed and out of the blue came an idea but when I woke up most of it was lost and I had to improvise when posted the first "article".... This was the idea: What if astrology is an alien social study of the human race disguised under myths and fairytales written in the stars???? I'm glad I forgot it the first time because it gave me the opportunity to see what you think of this and hear you ideas and comments.
    So here goes nothing: What if astrology is an alien social study of the human race disguised under myths and fairytales written in the stars????
    Looking forward for your comments and ideas!
    Have a nice and plentiful day!

Elvis' quote [ just a part of it ] is the only one I am managing to post at this time. Reason being that 1) I found I would have been quoting each responder at least once-which could have made this the longest thread in Montalk history [grin]  and 2)  I am finding this thread to be the most interesting dicussion of astrology I have  come across up to this moment.

His words there, quoted above,  in the moment I read them,  actually caused something to kick in, some kind of immediate shift within me that catapulted this person that is me, into a whole other dimensional perspective. The notion that there is order to this uni/multiverse actually made conscious sense, for at least a few split seconds. And combined with all that I have been reading here and in a few other places, I saw some interesting things in my mind's eye [funny, I thought I would **only** be responding, post-wise,  to some mental ideas and concepts with my own written contribution - but something is actually happening to me right now that  words cannot really describe accurately. But I will share what I can]: 

I saw the cosmos (stars, constellations, planets, etc.) as being like some kind of enormous nighttime amusement park with order to it. Like the fun rides that are lit up at night, many of which rotate in various ways, sometimes rotations within rotations [ this is where I will interject and say that I reallly hope that makes some kind of sense to whoever may read this - because I know sometimes when people try to explain their dreams or musings or even such things as their mushroom trips to others or acoholic drunken epiphanies, that it can often sound ridiculous and at the very least can be quite annoying (concern re: judgement mixed in with humor I admit) ] Anyway............then I saw two pictures that I often see and believe to be memories of me being some kind of heavenly body...one seems to be during the birthing of a solar system somewhere with all kinds of marvelous gases and colors, etc.,  swirling around me and the other is of me being some sort of heavenly body again and I am existing in that way, in perfect harmony, with a "view" of the panorama of an older solar system. The view is sort of 3-D BUT there are aspects of how I am seeing, as that type of heavenly body,  that I do not employ in this current 3-D human vehicle. These are just flashes rather than extended remembered moments.  But at last, they seem to make more of a smidgen of sense and logic.

Seems I am being guided towards understanding, in a more intense way than before.  Art Bell calls this period in time, "the Quickening," and it seems to be the appropriate terminology, from my own perspective right now.

The number 12....this has been  coming up in resources for study  I have been guided to very recently and as well I have also been very drawn to the number 13 relating to the moon cycles. I am only slightly familiar with how we went from a 13 month moon calendar perspective to the 12 month calandar (re: both the  Julius and Augustus Ceasars), however, I feel somehow that in spite of that redesigning of the human perception of time that it was no ' accident.'  In other words, that how it came about in history may have seemed cruel and selfish but THAT it came about was somehow part of the Cosmic plan of the Nameless Force and/or Consiousness that is often called, among other names, GOD. And that somehow the numbers 12 and 13 are,  rather than being mutually exclusive,  that both have a significant role in our existence. Maybe we will discover other numbers do to and perhaps someday we will better understand how to weave all of this knowledge together in a more effectively ordered way that makes sense to us.

What is commonly called "astrology,' as it is better and more accurately understood, may eventually explain much about not only individual human characteristics, but as well the chacteristics of other life forms including but not limited to, animals and plants and also other  ' humanoid ' and perhaps
non-humanoid beings from other planets, dimensions and universes.

Now, well past the hour I started reading this thread,  I am at the place of posting  my originally intended chime in that I felt might be helpful...........the one I was considering before being immersed in the acceleration of concepts that rushed into my awareness as I was continuing to read the remainder of  responses I had yet to view.  What I am attempting to convey is that I knew what I wanted to contribute but I also realized my ego aspect was so excited about. When I noticed that,  I made myself slow to a halt so I could complete reading the whole thread. I felt the urgent importance of doing this and believe/feel that I understand why (related to the experience I am having now as mentioned above).

So here is my originally intended chime in (following another check of the ego) and it does somehow, still feel relevant. I'd  like, at this moment,  to offer it in the hope that it will be additional helpful contribution:

Astrology, in general, had never really floated my boat. It had always seemed, to my limited understanding, very "mathematically incorrect." And I did not know why I felt that way because arithmetic/mathematics had never been a stong suit of mine. Give me a poem, essay or story to write anyday, over having to do math "problems," (smile).

No joke. I mean, who was I (?) to be making references to myself or anyone about math, in light of the poor relationship I had always had to anything but the most basic aspects of the subject...getting through advanced algebra as a pre-req to a college curriculum, calculating tips for waiters and waitressess, grocery store tax, etc....that's pretty much where the road ended for me.

But then I learned about, at least part of, the Vedic view/system of what astrology may have been intended to be for us - and I liked what I'd read that day. It expressed a much more sophisticated form of something I had been insisting upon for ages about astrology (because, I reasoned, its basic philosophy must be rooted in something more substantial - and hopefully not lost to us forever).

Finally, astrology, some aspects of what may have originally been intended anyway, began to make sense. And I now believe that it is not about limitations within personal relationships, life challenges or in any other way. But rather it is about opportunities for growth and wisdom wherever the challenges and limitations may appear to be:

"Charlatans have brought the ancient stellar science to its present disrepute. Astrology is too vast, both mathematically and philisophically, to be rightly grasped except by men of profound understanding...Man, in his human aspect, has to combat two sets of forces - first the tumults within his being...second, the outer disentegrating powers of nature...

"Astrology is the study of man's response to planetary stimuli. The stars have no conscious benevolence or animosity; they merely send forth positve and negative radiations. Of themselves, these do not help or harm humanity, but offer a lawful channel for the outward operation
of cause-effect equilibriums that each man has set into motion in the past.

"A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in matematical harmony with his individual karma...

"The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate - the result of past good and evil - but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done he can undo...he posesses spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure...

"Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automation, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets - which is to say, his past - by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever free...It cannot be regimented by the stars."

"Autobiography of A Yogi"
By Paramahansa Yogananda
Chapter 16: Outwitting The Stars
Copywright 1946 Parmahanansa Yogananda
Copywright 1998 Self Realization Fellowship
Thirteenth Editon, 1998
Reprinted 2001

Thanks Iriana!!!!!!

Iriana

  Personally I'm a strong believer of an alien conspiracy against the human race. Why? Well this is still debatable and some people think they have found the answer for this big WHY? I haven't and I'm not going to mention all of them now. Some of them mention as a tool religion! Among religions there are (where) the so called maverick religions, that spoke on how to liberate the human being through different means. The Vedic religions are just one of those so it doesn't surprise me that a representant would speak so clearly about this. (I would have to quote all the latter part of your post). In other words I totally agree to what you wrote.
(I could be more extensive on this subject about the maverick religions but I'm going to do it at this moment. I will though if the thread goes that way... as it seems. + I'm not fully prepared to write on this at this moment and I don't want to write crappie tings just cause I'm bored).
I like your vision Iriana. Should I call it that? Or what exacly was it?

Thanks for reading it, Elvis-and for initiating this wonderful thread “¢ ´ ¯`“¢ —O º°' ´Ã‚è ¯Ã‚è` · · ´Ã‚è ¯Ã‚è`'° ºO —“¢ ´ ¯`“¢

I was also thinking about this:

All that we are and all that is that we know of, so far, is also made up of little spheres. Like the reference to how solar systems look like enlarged atoms with neutrons, protons, electrons (the planetaty bodies) and the nucleus (the sun). Though not sure what to compare systems with two suns to.....But I was thinking that like a person paints a pcture.......that which Creates all that is (and its helpers, I guess) "paints" or "draws" all that is with the medium of all of these spheres. Small to us are atoms and molecules. Large to us are solar systems, galaxies, constellations.....Just.....these concepts are coming to my awareness and I do not think I quite have the right words to express them. Not that I have to express everything but I was willing to try today (o:

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