Knowledge? Power? (Page 1 of 2)

Someone's kookoo for coco-puffs!

You're leaving out "Holy Grail", monty.

Hmm, I shouldn't have judged it so fast. (whips himself 11 times in the back like a Jesuit-Preist).

Finding out what their doing is essential. Because it is identification and that's the first step to awareness. If it goes past identification and into speculation, then yes, it only adds to the smoke and diversion, and the end result is we lose a lot of time and effort with useless KITSCH.

Those who find it boring usually have tense-heartbeats (like myself). We seem to innately be mechanized to dislike the process. Or rather not prefer it.

I've been pushing myself to practice these Qigong techniques. Extremely hard to get concentrated enough to keep the habit up, but I assure you Tora, meditation of the mind or the body (exercises/stretching) are very beneficial. Our bodies have power-centers and the strength of these zones are amplified at our will, if disciplined. When you add those who suck our energies, such discipline is very vital to our progress.

I'm trying to look elsewhere. But where? We can look into ourselves. We can look above at the Universe. We can network and add our energies to a grande vector that may unleash universal truths and awareness. Where else can we look? The Oprah Winfrey Show?

Alright, so all the knowledge we need is already within us. That's like saying all the fish we could ever eat are in the lake. Even if we own the lake, we still have to find bait, put it on a hook, and cast it into the lake until a fish bites.

I have never seen a fish jump from the water into the fishbucket. And never during passive meditation have I accessed the knowledge within. This may be possible, but...

Only during active contemplation and introspection by asking questions and pondering ideas did the answers come to me. The questions we ask, the words we read, the opinions we hear - these are bait.

Some people are content with eating worms since they don't understand how to fish. They seek the periphery as an ends in itself. There's big business in farming worms because many people love to eat them. Look at academia - those who write empty intellectual stuff and those who gobble it up. Look at the media - those who write garbage entertainment and those who are addicted to it.

To access the knowledge within, however, this bait must be cast into the lake. A question is asked and the response is retrieved from within. You read something and it resonates the knowledge long present within you, bringing it from your subconscious into your conscious. A fish is brought from beneath the surface into open air.

So my point is, peripheries have a purpose as long as they serve as means to an ends, not ends in themselves.

   
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Tom!  When you went with this fish analogy had you read my last  post on Orbit Alert?  Is this the biggest synchronicity I've ever experienced, or not?  Naw, you had to of read it.

On a lighter, and way funny note (and not meant to desist the relativity of what you write in your post)--I was once ocean fishing and we got over a school of fish, and believe it or not they were just flying into the boat!  It was the most hilarious thing for us to see and deal with, as you may imagine, but I'm sure not so for the fish.  Now there's a big difference in size between a fish bucket and even a very  small boat, but what you wrote made me laugh and I just had to share this.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

Booya. The fish analogy takes the cake Tom.

You HAVE to fish to EAT, to LIVE. In a lake like our little blue-marble earth, there are many fish of all sorts. We chew and learn. We discipline ourselves not to swallow that which doesn't taste right. Once we notice that there's something in the water, we realize that many people around us who are fishing are eating worms and not even fish. We try to tell them that their eating worms but they look up at us with a worm sliming into their mouths like long spaghetti and a dumbfounded look on their faces, and we sigh.

If meditation on a subject is boring, reflect. If you do not meditate your mind, then meditate your body. How? Yes, breathing. However make sure you are not breathing from your chest as commonly done in western culture. Breath from your dan-tien, which is right below your navel. It is the power-center of your entire body. Qigong is basically stretching, with focus on breathing on certain postures, and then exhaling back at regular stance to release toxins. By releasing toxins, the body alleviates and amplifies the immune system and the Qi-flow (vital energy) flows smoother.

Even if you don't get into Qigong, try to breath from your stomache instead of your chest. Long-term effects of changing this "habit" range from alleviating the "tense" qualities that many of us share to better sleep-cycles.

Why not? The link of stuart wilde that Montalk gave me (www.stuartwilde.com) refers to Yoga (stems from Qigong) as harmful in many aspects. However they bring up ideas of "ghouls" which still needs to be discussed, so be vigilant.

Great thread all around, I was wondering in the past few days what was the point exactly of passive meditation, it greatly helps me when I'm so agitated that I can't think about something for more than 10 seconds, but I don't see the point in extending it for longer than is necessary to recenter in the present. If I do it for too long I feel like I'm just escaping into the pleasure of no-mind.

Do you see contemplation as inner listening or as something else?

Of course, this is a good way to vector your own fine energies outside yourself.  Focus on external things, even external in your mind, is a way to feed 4D STS.

Not to throw the babe with the bath, I'll have a look at the website.  Rosicrucian's teaching meditation on a website, that should be interesting.