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Hi Andy..................yup, I'm at the same point here as well.  It's not that I don't believe that there is "something funny" going on........I do.  But there comes a point where it's time to move beyond, take the next step up.   

I came to this point last year, around the summer, when I was still back in Florida.  I was wandering around Barnes and Noble, and I realized that my usual favorite section of Conspiracy / Spirituality just wasn't doing it for me anymore.  I'd read the best of the best, top of the line authors on the subjects, learned enough to begin seeing things for myself..........and I was like, "Now what?.......???.............???"

???

Montalk/Tom came up with a great saying, which was that you use your alarm clock to wake up in the morning.......but you don't walk around carrying it up to your ear for the rest of the day.  Once you're up, you're up!   Get on with it!

(okay, the "get on with it!" is my own, he didn't say that....hehe)

But you get the idea.   I've read all the conspiracies, I'm aware of things now, now it's time to rise above it all.  Not wallow in the muck.   There are too many people wallowing in the muck still instead of taking things to the next level:    Authors such as John Kaminiski-- forever complaining in an angry rage about the evils of the US government and TPTB.   It's like, we KNOW man, let's move PAST this, take it to the next level.  The headlines page of Jeff Rense, David Icke, Signs of the Times.....all wallowing in negative muck, never moving beyond anything, forever keeping people feeling helpless and full of anger and fear and paranoia, feeding the astral feeders.

It's time to move to the next level...........

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62 (edited by Christine B. 2005-01-04 08:54:10)

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I've been around conspiracy theories since the early '80s, because of my ex-husband.  I've known about the Bohemian Grove, Bilderbergers, Travestock etc etc for 2 decades - the only value I could see then and now in knowing about this is how to live a life that is as much as possible "out of the box" ... I've found that discussing the conspiracies can become a form of intellectual snobbism and as such rather than bringing someone "very little" (as Andy mentioned) does a great deal of harm.
Mistrust becomes the order of the day.  The ability to find joy in a flower is lost ... as the horrors of the conspiracy and NWO cloud every thought.

So ... yes, be aware of evil and work damn hard not to shadow evil in any aspect of ones life.  A HUGE task, possibly one that only a saint can attain but, to me, a heck of a lot more fun than preaching hell, fire and damnation -- which under any guise is still fear based.

Christine B.

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This illuminati vs. earth changes debate does not necessarily have to be either/or.  It is very probable that the "ills" (how about that name for the illuminati, either that or just "fuckers") have engineered a problem/reaction/solution situation with earth.  I don't *know* this, but from what I see of the "ills" behavior, this is a big possibility.  Engineer a environmental crisis, with the intention of capitalizing on the Earths efforts to cleanse herself, and making sure that Earths efforts cause as much suffering as possible.  Also they would want to control the process as much as possible.  Given the funcky synchronicities with the recent disaster, I think the ills played a major part in engineering it.  Earth has a big case of the 'ills' hehehe. 

I recommended connecting with her *directly* in a spirit of love in part because of the risk of feeding negative entities.  Its also another reason to let go of shame-based, "I am a virus" types of bullshit.  Humanity was once deeply connected to Earth.  Rebuilding that deep connection may be the beginning of healing for both.  Like I said also, there will still be _much work_ to be done.  The connection is only the beginning. 
Kathy
PS Thanks for the tip Lyra.  Its been so long since my posts have been eaten that I forgot to take precautions.

Never Give Up!

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freeme wrote:

  It is very probable that the "ills" (how about that name for the illuminati ....

You think you're joking, but you're not.

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Darn, someone beat me!  "Priesthood of Illes" huh? Hahaha!  Well, "ills" is still a tad batter.  "The Ill Priesthood" (cough, hack, wheeze!) 

Shaking off my case of 'ills' with a good dance today!  smile 
Kathy

Never Give Up!

66 (edited by Atlantis 2005-01-04 10:25:36)

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Christine B. wrote:

I've been around conspiracy theories since the early '80s, because of my ex-husband.  I've known about the Bohemian Grove, Bilderbergers, Travestock etc etc for 2 decades - the only value I could see then and now in knowing about this is how to live a life that is as much as possible "out of the box" ... I've found that discussing the conspiracies can become a form of intellectual snobbism and as such rather than bringing someone "very little" (as Andy mentioned) does a great deal of harm.

Possible, my experience is some well-educated people remain attached on their "regular" science despite all the occult knowledge available. 

Mistrust becomes the order of the day.  The ability to find joy in a flower is lost ... as the horrors of the conspiracy and NWO cloud every thought.

I want the TRUTH, then joy comes automatically.

So ... yes, be aware of evil and work damn hard not to shadow evil in any aspect of ones life.

Yes ok, be aware, monitoring evil takes not all your energies.

A HUGE task, possibly one that only a saint can attain but, to me, a heck of a lot more fun than preaching hell, fire and damnation -- which under any guise is still fear based.

Christine B.

Yes, I respect your statement. We must repel fear , ok.

BUT, I can say and warn you this:

The plans of the Illuminati ARE MUCH MORE EVIL than the most of us can even imagine. And their plans contain even much more evil issues than David Icke is reporting, or is able to report. Also, the Illuminati do have MUCH MORE Technology available than the mean people even can imagine.


But don't panic.

And .. the Illuminati have their own weaknesses:
their inflexible black magic matrix coordinated system, that if well detected can be overruled.

Remind: Black Magic overrules Technology,
However, Consciousness of Mind overrules Black Magic.

Also, there ARE MUCH more abilities to protect yourself and to get a pro-active (and optimistic) strategy (as you also was mentioning).

See my topic-post in [spiritual & metaphysics].

The challenge is to get these abilities pro-actively out ASAP and effectively.

And this Website and this forum are very good examples of it.

Atlantean Magic: safe, simple and enjoying a good lifetime.

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Atlantis wrote:

I want the TRUTH, then joy comes automatically.

In that case you'll probably lead a pretty joyless life. The truth is we CAN'T EVER KNOW the truth, or at least not the type of truth you're talking about.

If you can't accept that EVERYTHING you think you know about the Illuminati COULD be complete bullshit then you're going to spend the rest of your life chasing after phantoms.

You don't know the truth about the Illuminati and unless you actually join them you will never know the truth. All the books you've read, all the web sites, all the channeled stuff could all be disinfo. The truth could well be far stranger, or it could equally be far more mundane than what you think.

All this talk about their evil plans for the world and their weaknesses and la di da di da is nothing but pure speculation and it doesn't help anybody. It's speculation that COULD be right but you will never know for absolute certain. Don't waste your life on speculation.

Joy does not come through knowing the truth about the Illuminati. True Joy is felt through the heart, and it comes through love, through kindness, through service, through seeing the postive affect that you have on the lives of others, and the affect they have on yours. Joy comes through living in the present moment and from truly understanding the only truth that matters, which is that we're infinite beings all connected, all experiencing this amazing thing we call life. And that's one thing the illuminati and their evil plans will never take away from us.

Well that's just my opinion anyway

Andy

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Ayahuasca wrote:
Atlantis wrote:

I want the TRUTH, then joy comes automatically.

In that case you'll probably lead a pretty joyless life. The truth is we CAN'T EVER KNOW the truth, or at least not the type of truth you're talking about.

if this is a true statement, you're telling a contradiction.

So, you're lying here ?

If you can't accept that EVERYTHING you think you know about the Illuminati COULD be complete bullshit then you're going to spend the rest of your life chasing after phantoms.

My wanted truth is independent of the Illuminati in the case of the spiritual.

All this talk about their evil plans for the world and their weaknesses and la di da di da is nothing but pure speculation and it doesn't help anybody. It's speculation that COULD be right but you will never know for absolute certain.

I don't think so....

Don't waste your life on speculation.

?  So, what are YOU doing here ??

Joy does not come through knowing the truth about the Illuminati. True Joy is felt through the heart, and it comes through love, through kindness, through service, through seeing the postive affect that you have on the lives of others, and the affect they have on yours.

ok, this sounds much more spiritual.

Joy comes through living in the present moment and from truly understanding the only truth that matters, which is that we're infinite beings all connected, all experiencing this amazing thing we call life.

ok, also makes sense to me.

And that's one thing the illuminati and their evil plans will never take away from us.

I'm not so sure about his.

thanks.

Atlantean Magic: safe, simple and enjoying a good lifetime.

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Atlantis wrote:

if this is a true statement, you're telling a contradiction. So, you're lying here ?

Notice I followed it up with "or at least not the type of truth you're talking about." - Meaning the truth about the Illuminati. So no contradiction or lying.

I don't think so....

I do. You will not and can not know, for ABSOLUTE certain, the truth about the Illuminati. If I'm wrong then I would love to know how I'm wrong. Care to enlighten me?

So, what are YOU doing here ??

Above all else I came here to make friends... and doing a reasonable job of it so far.:)

I'm not so sure about his.

So they've found a way of destroying our higher selves have they? Hmm...I don't think so some how.

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Beauty is Truth; Truth, Beauty. Right? Somebody or other wrote that. Some poet!

Maybe for some people, the ugliest truth becomes beauty, so much so that that very process of sorting through "the ills" is somehow uplifting for them .For others, beauty must appear before their "eyes": this, for them, is the ultimate truth.

Their truth. But, in truth, both are both beautiful and true.

I think its terrible of me when I, for instance, lecture or berate others simply because they like thinking about or doing something that I've simply lost interest in.
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Have I then "gone beyond?" the subject matter? No. I've moved on, but I haven't
changed the fact that the info is there for others to discover, explore, and yes, perhaps even obsess over. Rather than tell everyone to get with my program, I'd have been better off just feeling relieved that I don't have to think about what to me is so relentlessly negative and harmful for me.
Someone else may see things in there that I haven't even begun to consider, and if
never finding a final answer really destroys someones life, it could have been anything from Peoria to potatoes that did em in. Even God, love and life.You name it.
      I mean, I'm so OVER potatoes. Puh-leeze. They are such boring, brown, and dreary vegetables....I.....think...uh.....well....um....er...

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SednaSphere wrote:

I think its terrible of me when I, for instance, lecture or berate others simply because they like thinking about or doing something that I've simply lost interest in.

You're right, and I was a bit out of order. It wasn't really my intention to berate Atlantis but I can see that's how it came across. Sorry Atlantis.

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Happy New Year to everybody...

Been following events in SE Asia and a friend sent me this. Very interesting facts to add into the mix for consideration.

V


WHAT A COINCIDENCE, 85 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE HIT BY THE TSUNAMI WERE MUSLIM

**Does one too many coincidences spell concoincidence?

Subject: Tsunami - - 85% of the population of Indonesia follows Islam


Forwarded Message:

As I wrote in the first email concerning the Tsunami, showing that INTENTIONALLY "there was no warning" (now confirmed on Drudge Report), and that ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) technology is available to cause earthquakes, by the powers of Novus Ordo Seclorum(New World Order), that Indonesia is on "the Pentagon's new map" for "War on Terrorism", and that death tolls in reporting have been greatly delayed, and that the Media has been spinning this in their propaganda-type manner. (Tonight ABC news wasted public air time about bloggers on the internet, interviewing a teen-age girl!) The U.S. media seems to be downplaying the bad news now, to protect American's delicate ears (being only able to hear "positive" things), while the death toll is CLEARLY IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS! While Drudge Report says the "official count" is 125,000, officials in these countries know better, as does their media, which is leaking out. One report we will quote later, says 400,000--which the Drudge Report headlines with a question mark (?). Why would they lie? In addition, another mark of suspicion, is that while Bush offered a few pence ($35 million of debt money) for aid, he is now rushing to out compete the U.N. in establishing pretended aid! Often, those who blow the trumpet in pretended compassion, are those who are hiding their guilty faces of the conspiracy they were a part of.

Conspiracy? Absolutely! Again, this area was on the target map for the "War on Terrorism", and just WHO do you think is the predominant religion and idealogical power in that region?

"The majority (about 85%) of the population follows Islam." http://www.asiatour.com/indonesia/e-01land/ei-lan13.htm

But there is more! The HARDEST HIT AREA, THE NORTHERN AREA OF SUMATRA, IS THE MOST DOMINANT IN ISLAMIC LEADERSHIP, ON THE ISLAND OF SUMATRA:

" Today, the most hard-core of the indonesian muslims lives in Aceh, the northern tip of Sumatra, where Islam is said to first take hold. They have always been fierce fighters, giving both the Dutch and the Indonesian state a hard time. Aceh strived for a long time for an independent Islamic state and has today a special status." http://home.swipnet.se/~w-15266/indons/ … ligion.htm

Note now, IT IS THIS AREA, OF "ACEH, THE NORTHERN TIP OF SUMATRA"--THAT WAS NEAR THE EARTHQUAKE ZONE, BUT ALSO, THE HARDEST HIT BY THE TSUNAMI. Now, pray tell, what is the death toll there?

KUALA LUMPUR, Dec 30 (Bernama) -- The death toll in Acheh, the region worst hit by last Sunday's tsunami, may exceed 400,000 as many affected areas could still not be reached for search and rescue operations, Indonesia's Ambassador to Malaysia Drs H. Rusdihardjo said Thursday. http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_ … ?id=111574

Viola! 400,000 of mostly Islamic souls! How strategic, this "act of nature", "act of God" (conspiracy of Man playing God!) warned of in the vision of Daniel in the coming evil global government! There was INTENTIONALLY "no warning given", and the true cause of it can be seen by the propaganda, shifting, pretended humanitarian support, and guilty smirks standing in front of the secret ELF low frequency technology, or sub-marine drilling and setting of thermonuclear devices behind the curtain of Shadow Government, at the controls. There was intentionally NO WARNING GIVEN, and the cause is highly suspect, knowing that the technology IS employed in these modern times! (source: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html)

Atolls and islands have been tested before using nuclear devices, including one in the Bikini Atoll in 1946, called Operation Hardtack:

"When the shot went off, at first, there was only a large mound of water similar to a "ground-swell" that appeared. I thought, 'there wasn't much to that'! But after a moment, it burst through the surface, and water and debris went up as high as I could see....Then, the concussion came, feeling like a very hard slap especially to the face. Then the sound came so intense that one would really need ear protection, which we didn't have, except to plug the ears with our hands....Next, we could see the tidal-wave approaching and we could see it on the other side of the blast site as it rolled over the island in the distance. " http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/rodgersj.htm

Interesting, they too had a tidal wave. Here is a picture of Operation Hardtack: http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/hardtac1.htm

Could this have been a larger one set deep in the sea floor? Whether by ELF or sub-marine thermonuclear device, the earthquake and Tsunami that ensued has already been compared in the Zionist Media to "9/11" (their words), with "pictures....remembrances.....acts of heroism", "except this one was not man-made" (interesting they felt they shoud say that). It nevertheless fits the pattern of the Iran earthquake on Dec. 26, 2003
(20,000 dead), and the PNAC's plot to make a War on Terrorism (largely in Islamic nations, like Indonesia) to "re-order the world around us"
(PM Tony Blair).

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Warning: Reading this material might induce significant anxiety or depression. Individuals with a history of heart problems, or who are being treated for depression, may find it advisable not to read this report. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/population.htm

SOS Tsunami: It's Time For a United Media Appeal http://www.mediachannel.org/

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

73 (edited by lyra 2005-01-05 07:33:35)

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SednaSphere wrote:

I think its terrible of me when I, for instance, lecture or berate others simply because they like thinking about or doing something that I've simply lost interest in.
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Have I then "gone beyond?" the subject matter? No. I've moved on, but I haven't
changed the fact that the info is there for others to discover, explore, and yes, perhaps even obsess over. Rather than tell everyone to get with my program, I'd have been better off just feeling relieved that I don't have to think about what to me is so relentlessly negative and harmful for me.
Someone else may see things in there that I haven't even begun to consider, and if
never finding a final answer really destroys someones life, it could have been anything from Peoria to potatoes that did em in. Even God, love and life.You name it.
      I mean, I'm so OVER potatoes. Puh-leeze. They are such boring, brown, and dreary vegetables....I.....think...uh.....well....um....er...

Being that you used words / phrases that I used, I can assume then that your post was in relation to what I had posted.   ("go beyond", "so over", etc.)   

For starters Sedna, I wasn't berating anybody.  I was expressing how I personally feel on the matter, and I relayed a personal experience that I went through last year while going through Barnes and Noble, where I realized my once favorite section - conspiracy, spirituality - didn't hold anything for me anymore.  I'd read much of the material already or even owned it, and had just moved beyond it in general, and was tired of reading stuff that created fear and paranoia within me, whether it be books, magazines, or websites.   

The problem here (and on any messageboard) begins when people can't differentiate between someone expressing how they personally feel about a subject and what's going on in their own mind, versus berating others, judging others, etc.    People "read into" things too much, take comments as actual personal attacks, etc.   My comments weren't about you, or anybody here in particular.   I wasn't berating nor judging.    I was sharing what I feel on the matter, what I have gone through. 

Frankly, I'm getting tired of the misunderstandings that keep happening around here lately.  Comments that weren't directed at anybody in particular are being taken personally.  What's going on here????   It would help if people realized there's a difference between personal musings versus direct, personal judging and berating.    There's a thing called Editorial columnists, people who make a living writing about their musings on different topics.  When you read them do you take it personally?  Or do you realize the difference?  The same goes for a messageboard.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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More than anything Lyra, I think it's the tone you use more than anything else.  But that is the readers problem, and not yours.

This happens to me all the time in life.  People know what I am like; I can sound really shitty when I say something.  That's just the way it comes out, it's not how I mean it.  Yet people know I am like this, they know I don't mean harm, but the still take offence.

Goes back to what we were saying in another post the other day.  People seem to have trouble with opinions being expressed.

There is of course a difference between judging, and discernment.  I tend to take your posts to be your discernment; and I believe that is genuinely the case.

To be judging, you would have to be passing a critical statement upon someone / something, with the intent to have a certain affect.  Seeing as you aren't critasing, nor intending any sort of response to your posts, you clearly aren't judging.

Anyway, it's a difficult issue to get around.  In my own experience, I have found that I have had to be the one to "let go".  That is; "If they want to think I am judging let them."  All I would do is make a simple statement that I intended no offence.

Why have I had to be the one to "apologise" or let go of the issue?  Because I was the one to identify the problem, so letting go was the only way not to exasperate the issue.

I guess there's no easy answer.  People always want to defend their perception / ego, and so feel attacked when that perception is discussed in a way that doesn't match their beliefs.

I don't know...maybe this says as much about me as it does about anything else...

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Hi Marcus,

It's totally true, I agree with what you're saying.   What's funny is, in person I "sound" totally different than what's conveyed on a computer screen, even though I can be expressing the same opinions.    A computer screen makes it near impossible to convey "tone of voice", body language and mannerisms...smiling...laughing....  (I just had a very brief ear ringing as I wrote that...hmm!....weird.....)   Something that comes across in person as a musing can be taken by people over the internet to be judgment.  Oh well, so it goes.  All I can say is, I apologize in advance for anything that "comes out wrong" !     I'm not here judging people.    I do express opinions a lot, do a lot of musing, pondering, theorizing...but I've had the intention of attacking somebody for what they believe or how they live their life.     I may not hold the same beliefs, and voice my opinion on a matter which may disagree with what a reader believes....but it's not personal.  I'm not "judging" that person for choosing differently...   


Anyway, back to the tsunami and earthquakes...........

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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