1 (edited by zonabi 2004-12-13 08:49:06)

Topic: Galactal Compact Discs ?

hello all, i have this theory here i'd like your comments/views on:

most of you are familiar with Galaxies, and the many of them that reside in this everexpanding yet unknown space we call the universe.
they come in all shapes and forms, but as you guys may well have seen- alot of them seem to carry the 'swirly disc' shape similar to the milky ways:
http://www.peterpracownik.com/mimages/ufo/spiral-galaxy.jpg

now- if you look at all into galaxies and outer space- you know that these spiral galaxies are pretty flat, opposed to the viewpoint given in those pictures, showing the galaxy from atop. some people even believe the universe is flat. anyways...

HERES MY THEORY:
Just like Data (which is files, music, pictures, text, programs) is written and stored onto a "FLat" COMPACT DISC (CD) - i believe this is how the galaxies are in nature. All the data within the galaxy (which is humans, planets, stars, etc) is written and stored into a galaxy. This analogy proves to me strong, because they seem very alike. some other similarites are that they both 'spin' and new stars born etc = writing/rewriting.

the reason i see this theory as valid is because when u zoom out of the universe things become soo minute and tiny, it seems as if galaxies are now the size of planets and so then where are we? the size of Atoms? I hope my explanation was clear.

this theory is open for suggestions/comments/and additions. I think my theory can also provide proof of the Holographic Universe theory, or is closely related somehow.

... the spinning is what created this planet and solar system and galaxy and probably the universe as well and on and on ...

its what keeps everything flowing, life, energy, and waves spinning.
-planets orbits
-solar systems
-pulsars
-solar wind

all spin- its a universal constant almost, i would dare say.

Quote:
We use HI observations made using with the upgraded Arecibo 305M Telescope in August 1998 to obtain spin vectors for 54 edge-on galaxies in the Pisces-Perseus Supercluster. This represents the largest known sample of accurately measured spin vectors for galaxies outside the Local Supercluster. Analysis of the spin vector distribution was performed using the Kuiper statistic (a two-sided variant of the Kolmogorov-Smirnov statistic) to compare the observed spin vector distribution with Monte Carlo simulations.

Our initial analysis indicates that there is very strong evidence for spin vector alignments of galaxies with neighboring galaxies. We can rule out random galaxy spin vector orientations at the 99.5% confidence level. Galaxy alignments of this variety are likely an artifact of the history of angular momentum exchange between galaxies. This indicates that the alignment process is an ongoing, evolutionary effect of galaxy interactions.


[2.15] Galaxy Spin Vector Alignments in the Pisces-Perseus Supercluster
J. E. Cabanela, J. M. Dickey (U. Minnesota)
http://www.aas.org/publications/baa.../aas193/346.htm
^^ i apologize for the broken link sad

your thoughts?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: Galactal Compact Discs ?

"Just like Data (which is files, music, pictures, text, programs) is written and stored onto a "FLat" COMPACT DISC (CD) - i believe this is how the galaxies are in nature. All the data within the galaxy (which is humans, planets, stars, etc) is written and stored into a galaxy."

Makes me wonder if we're just carrying out programs and that freewill is just carrying out programs WITHIN certain parameters.  That ain't freewill to me, but it's inevitably the case.  You see it in micro and macro.

Maybe illumination is breaking out of this program and ascending it?  Will our own information break out of their own data storage units?  Or is consciousness merely a holograph?

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

3 (edited by zonabi 2004-12-14 10:10:09)

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Those are some good questions Haven, unfortunately i cannot answer with certainty.

One of the things i wanted to get across when i created this theory, was that the Galaxy MUST be in MOTION in order for anything to happen.
Motion= Creation
Stale=Deterioration

Makes me wonder if we're just carrying out programs and that freewill is just carrying out programs WITHIN certain parameters.  That ain't freewill to me, but it's inevitably the case.  You see it in micro and macro.

Well, i suppose it would seem you had LIMITs in all levels of existnace, except THE SUPREME TOP LEVEL which would be the Creational Spirit / God etc. in other words, yes, freewill has its limits.

Maybe illumination is breaking out of this program and ascending it?  Will our own information break out of their own data storage units?  Or is consciousness merely a holograph?

I like to say this statement;
"what the mind forgets, the soul remembers"

basically thats my view on it. we carry on data/information within our Souls, which is the reason for certain predispositions sometimes towards things which we have no idea why we react that way when the stimulus is given. thats because something inside u remembers something which triggers a reaction etc...

Everything else, such as physical monuments and data recorded on things, well these are subject to deterioration and/or are non-existant when viewed from other densities/dimensions.

but the Soul remembers it all, and data is stored within our 12 strand DNA, some of it is accessible from our consciousness here.

is consciousness merely a holograph?

i'd say yes, your 3d human consciousness is a holograph. it is the 'middleman' between physical reality and mental reality(spirit)
it connects you (albeit a very slow connection) to your soul, or better termed it lets your soul connect to your measley 3D human body(and mind) and filters all of the data that you could not possibly comprehend from 3d viewpoint- OUT.

woah
z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: Galactal Compact Discs ?

zonabi wrote:

Just like Data (which is files, music, pictures, text, programs) is written and stored onto a "FLat" COMPACT DISC (CD) - i believe this is how the galaxies are in nature. All the data within the galaxy (which is humans, planets, stars, etc) is written and stored into a galaxy

Excerpt from 'Defending Sacred Ground: The Andromedan Compendium - The Story of Alex Collier and His Lifetime Personal Contact With the Zenetaen Culture from Andromeda'

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The Nature of Andromedan Music

Val: What about Andromedan musical composition and the nature of their music?

Alex: What they do is as they are traveling, they will record solar systems holographically, or the planets individually, and they take the holographic sound patterns relating to them and blend them with other sounds of other planets, suns or galaxies. They create their music from this.

Val: It is literally music of the spheres.

Alex: Literally, and I have to tell you Val, there is absolutely nothing like it. It's like the most incredible orchestra you could ever imagine, but it makes your soul vibrate, it really does. It's so profound.

---

Hey Z, what just happened here?

S Y N C R O N I C I T Y

I am as is Void.

Re: Galactal Compact Discs ?

zonabi wrote:

One of the things i wanted to get across when i created this theory, was that the Galaxy MUST be in MOTION in order for anything to happen.
Motion= Creation
Stale=Deterioration

I agree with this view.  While pondering existence and time, I had come to the conclusion for anything to happen, time would have to exist.  It's like everything exists at once, but to make the connection, you need movement which requires time.  Without movement, or motion, we'd be living in a state that Einstein suggested, where time stopped.  Everything might be, but nothing would happen.

Then again, sometimes I get the feeling that there are chunks of time where you can go back and forth and change whatever to affect something within this chunk of time.  Like the suns that the mayans believed in, these epochs of time or information.  It reminds me of a flash of information that is spread out.  I wonder if it's just this chunk of information, and it's all there, past, present, future, but we perceive it different because we're in it.  Like diving into a pool of water and having everything slow down drastically.  We're all existing in sloooow motion.  Maybe they have it right, time IS an illusion.

Anyway, I think movement is one of the most important things in reality, spiritual and physical.  It's growth.  Maybe we're needles on this record (or lasers on this disc).  The only way to really account for why it must be this way is that the movement, from here to there, does something to things.  Maybe this is a program disc, and the process creates something desirable.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

6 (edited by Haven 2004-12-14 19:41:08)

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Which leads me to believe that it's the process that matters, now that I look at it.  The reality isn't nouns, it's verbs.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

Re: Galactal Compact Discs ?

zonabi wrote:

i'd say yes, your 3d human consciousness is a holograph. it is the 'middleman' between physical reality and mental reality(spirit)
it connects you (albeit a very slow connection) to your soul, or better termed it lets your soul connect to your measley 3D human body(and mind) and filters all of the data that you could not possibly comprehend from 3d viewpoint- OUT.

woah
z

Are there reliable methods to improve your connection?  Or do you think it requires patience above all else?  Or is it a lost cause since it is such a limited experience, trapped within such narrow parameters?  In my view, knowledge means little without heart, and the only truly useful information from a soul is what I would term "matters of the heart", such as compassion.  What is the highest knowledge or information encoded within the universe?

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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If you want to see things with more open eyes, keep doing what you're doing,  searching and trying to learn.  You have to be honest first though .. with yourself as much as with others.  If you're not genuine you're not going to get any spiritual answers.  If you are, then things will come to you as appropriate.  But you have to put in the effort first. If you really really mean it, then do what you have to do and see how things go.  Patience is a part of that.

9 (edited by Haven 2004-12-15 14:09:27)

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morningsun76 wrote:

If you want to see things with more open eyes, keep doing what you're doing,  searching and trying to learn.  You have to be honest first though .. with yourself as much as with others.  If you're not genuine you're not going to get any spiritual answers.  If you are, then things will come to you as appropriate.  But you have to put in the effort first. If you really really mean it, then do what you have to do and see how things go.  Patience is a part of that.

The question wasn't for me, but about a reliable method that anyone can use.  As far as my path went, it is complicated and I would have trouble relating it, as well as almost impossible to understand unless you had actually had first hand knowledge of what I was talking about.  The abyss stared back.

I think most people become confused because I consider myself a christian and because I think that everyone of sincere good intent should be treated equally regardless of perceived or "real" station.  I honestly can't fathom the thinking that it's okay to treat people like crap.  From my experience, hardly anyone understands my reasoning.  I've always seen it defended or shrugged off when I would bring it up.  I know others have their opinions, but they usually could give a shite about whether they cause pain or not (unless, of course, they have an agenda for the target, which is more often than not to use them.  If they can use them, or drain energy from them that makes them feel good about themselves, then they like them.), which leads me to think that the EGO is probably the #1 enemy. 

As for my opinion, I think that the first step is to doubt everything.  Learning isn't really what it's about, since you just fill your head with alternate viewpoints.  That's all well and good, but it doesn't really take you anywhere.  I think the aim is to see so many different viewpoints and question so much that all information from the head nullifies itself.  This leaves you with nothing but your self, behind the mask of reason and intelligence.  Your ego is laid bare.  Once you strip it of illusions, you eventually find some things out, and that wisdom and life and all that good stuff is a lot more subtle than the mind can comprehend.

Patience, from what I've learned, and it was one of the hardest lessons, is vital.  Once you REALLY accept that it is going to take time, it tends to happen when it should.  I went through my "Dark Night", as I call it, for about four years, even after my ego had lost anything to stand upon.  For years my ego was subjected enough to never be a problem again, then my heart opened up and showed me the source of life.  I guess it had to make sure that my ego truly would never believe its own illusions again.

This is just my view on things, and I could very well be wrong.  I'm not going to insist that I'm right, or pretend to have a real knowledge on how the universe is structured.  Absolutes are for suckers.  In my opinion, if you aren't a die-hard agnostic in your mind, then you're not doing it right.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

Re: Galactal Compact Discs ?

Haven wrote:

This is just my view on things, and I could very well be wrong.  I'm not going to insist that I'm right, or pretend to have a real knowledge on how the universe is structured.  Absolutes are for suckers.  In my opinion, if you aren't a die-hard agnostic in your mind, then you're not doing it right.

Sounds like you're on the right track by recognizing that agnosticism is the best outlook for yourself at the present time.    That's based on the premise that you can't really know the answers to these sorts of questions anyway.

However, again conditioned on how far along you are in your journey -- how true you are -- you may come to a point where higher power communicates with you.  From my experience this comes in the form of synchronicities which manifest as a response to talking to the Spirit.   When that happens, you may find yourself shifting gears from agnostic to just plain gnostic.  Whether or not you're prepared to believe that right now, keep your mind open to at least the possibility, so you don't miss a good thing when it comes along.

Re: Galactal Compact Discs ?

morningsun76 wrote:

Sounds like you're on the right track by recognizing that agnosticism is the best outlook for yourself at the present time.    That's based on the premise that you can't really know the answers to these sorts of questions anyway.

However, again conditioned on how far along you are in your journey -- how true you are -- you may come to a point where higher power communicates with you.  From my experience this comes in the form of synchronicities which manifest as a response to talking to the Spirit.   When that happens, you may find yourself shifting gears from agnostic to just plain gnostic.  Whether or not you're prepared to believe that right now, keep your mind open to at least the possibility, so you don't miss a good thing when it comes along.

Funny you should mention this.  Agnosticism will always be a part of me, but it only serves to kill the ego.  As of now, I've moved beyond the hardest trials of the ego.  While agnostic in my mind, in my heart I consider myself gnostic.  If I am ever cornered by a christian about my christian belief, I say that the closest you can get to describing it is as a Gnostic Christian.  Of course, I have to explain what that means, failing most of the time.  My own finding of what they call Christ is a very gnostic experience.  I would never have moved from agnosticism to christianity without the "initiation".  I went through the synchronicity thing, but my agnostic mind could always explain it away.  I don't consider anything that can merely lead me to think a certain way as a "Source" or all-being.  The truth goes through my agnostic mind, and whatever's left, I judge on whether I feel it's true or not.  What I hold as truth, or as MY truth, is that which happens with a gnostic bent, letting me feel it instead of just conceiving or rationalizing it.

So, agnostic in mind, gnostic in heart.  I don't think anyone really gets me.  Most of the time they just assume and then hold these assumptions against me.  I've learned to not take it personal.  It's a plague, and hardly anyone is immune to the ego.  I understand why the bible says that the road is narrow, and why only a handful are chosen.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

12 (edited by Haven 2004-12-16 00:18:31)

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Not to be misleading, I do hold certain things to be true and an underlying truth that is unifying and omni-present.  I think the most important goal is finding the true Self.  I come into my "knowledge" through pursuit of God, or an Absolute Truth, or that which cannot be explained away by my mind.  I consider absolute truth to be imparted through gnostic, or "direct experiences", which just means it resonates on a very strong yet very subtle frequency, usually centered on "initiations", or truths that are contained within the heart, or, in other words, beyond the mind.  I think details in belief are a prison and misleading.  I remember looking into Catholicism and found it to be "another cage", in my words.  The funny thing is, being a Gnostic Christian, I get judged by Christians as being off-track, but I also get judged by alternative "enlightenments" just as harshly, if not more so.

* When we start identifying wisdom with our ability to comprehend its form, what wisdom is that?
* Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
* People want platitudes, not progress.

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So if galaxies are "CD's" does that by structure (steps instead of straight smooth lines) make pyramids the digital information contained with them?

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity

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woah.

T-Ren that sparked such an enormus insight in me

the Pyramids are the Lasers (CD) / Needles (Record) of the Galactal Compact Disc, which is close to what you were stating i think.

It makes perfect sense: the Pyramids transmit data .

Its a bit backward, in the sense that in our analogy of the CD player, the Laser is NOT attached to the Disc, while on our cosmological view, the Laser is attached to planets etc...

What i mean is that in a CD player it seems the Laser is part of the CD Player Machine instead of part of the Disc itself....

Ok so heres some more thoughts on that note:

i picture the entire galaxy, looking at it from sort of side-view. they say black holes hold some galaxies together, but whatever the case, theres undoubtably a center to each galaxy. from this center i see light/data flowing outward, both out of the top and out of the bottom. this is like the Laser shooting the Data in/out.
in our CD analogy, the Laser works only One Way, grabbing the data off the CD, but not writing to it. BUT, if we considered the galaxy to be a CD-RW - then you can see the galaxy laser works both ways, writing and reading etc.

BUT, within the galaxy we have a plethora of other bodies that have "Lasers" as well, such as like T-Ren pointed out Pyramids here on earth.

T-Ren can u explain what u meant by Steps instead of Straight smooth lines ?


Haven wrote:

Are there reliable methods to improve your connection?  Or do you think it requires patience above all else?  Or is it a lost cause since it is such a limited experience, trapped within such narrow parameters?  In my view, knowledge means little without heart, and the only truly useful information from a soul is what I would term "matters of the heart", such as compassion.  What is the highest knowledge or information encoded within the universe?

are there reliable methods to improve the connection?
that depends on what you consider reliable. but meditation is a very good,clean way. some drugs can open the floodgates of your mind too, some faster than others.

i do not think anything is a lost cause, except for maybe War these days...

I feel you on the note that "knowledge means little without heart" and that is such a good statement.

what would be the highest knowledge?
Creation (which i think boils down to Love)

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

15 (edited by T-Ren 2005-01-03 14:12:38)

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Analog travels in rolling type waves, whereas digital creates sounds in a step type pattern, similar to those of the pyramids. So my thought was similar to yours, in that do the pyramids, gather and process data and then send that data...out there like the laser or diamond tip needle for analog records.

Then with all the talk here about vibrations and such, I got to thinking that the pyramids may be good attennae to receive vibrations and transmit them not only into the air but also into the ground.

Just some thoughts.

Peace,
Teddy

"It means the Matrix can't tell you who you are" - Trinity