Hold the phone! My God!!! Lyra actually agrees with something Moralman is saying!!! ahhhhh!
And Neo, I have to admit it, but I'm actually disagreeing with some things you said. Anyway, I was trying to stay away from this thread but it's taken a really interesting turn, lots of juicy topics coming up here.
In a condensed form, here's what I agree / disagree with and why:
- I agree with Moralman that there's an agenda of sorts in our present society by TPTB to undermine morals and the traditional family structure, as well as a push by Hollywood to heavily promote homosexuality in the mainstream media. I've already elaborated heavily on this topic over in my "Feminism" Henry Makow thread, so I won't retread over old ground. But I'm sure I caused a few grumbles around here with that thread. But I have to make it clear that I'm not against homosexuals at all, nor do I share the views that MM does regarding them, I'm just acknowledging that there has been a huge push in the media towards heavily promoting the homosexual lifestyle.
I guess in the big scheme of things none of it matters, the family, morals, and all the rest. Be as bad as you want to be, be as good as you want to be, it's all "just an expression of creation" or whatever, as it's been basically said by some here. I have to ponder that a little more, see what I think about that.
- I fully agree with the concept "Love the sinner, not the sin." You CAN love somebody, but not necessarily the things they do. We do this all the time. Everybody here who has family that they're still in contact with and have a close relationship with ponder this for a moment. Most will agree that they love their siblings, parents, grandparents, etc. however, not necessarily some of the things they do, or the way they're living their life. But ya still love 'em. Come on.
- Regarding "it only harms the people that are doing it" with homosexuality - Moralman said this, Neo disagreed, and I say that Yes, sometimes, in fact oftentimes, this lifestyle DOES harm the ones partaking in it. Absolutely.
- And lastly, I happen to like Henry Makow. To me, he's right about a lot of stuff. He's nailed what's going on with Hollyweird and our current society. Call me a prude, hey, whatever, I find that I'm appalled by what I see going on in our world today. I totally agree with him that the American Woman has changed. She's now typically a bitchy, ballbusting manipulator, not marriage material AT all. Something's gone horribly wrong in our society, and guess who's the one suffering? The kids. But I've already gone over this extensively in my other thread, so again, won't re-tread over old ground. I will say this: I used to snicker when I'd hear about guys who go to Europe and Russia to find a suitable wife. Then, I researched the subject some more by linking to a guy's website that works to match American businessmen with eligible European / Russian women. I read their perspective, about what they're unhappy about over here in America, read different tales of dating woe and what they've experienced with the women of today, and I found myself nodding my head by the time I was done. I was like, Okay, I get it, I see your point of view, I can appreciate that. So, I have to defend Makow, I like what he's saying.
ANYway.......so, how 'bout that wrestling????? 
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!" - Anonymous
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