1 (edited by Shoogie 2007-05-04 13:37:20)

Topic: School shooters and the matrix

Found this article on school shooters and their perception of 'reality' I couldn't resist posting it since it contains issues that are often discussed here. This is not the whole article because its too long but you can read the entire thing on dreamsend's website. Its a pretty good website too.

http://dreamsend.wordpress.com/

The Making of Child Assassins
May 2nd, 2007 at 5:52 am (Uncategorized)

In order perhaps to understand Cho better, I began looking into other school shootings. And while there are books which outline the similarities among these and seek to develop some sort of psychological profile, I wonder if there is one aspect being overlooked. Specifically, it appears to me that these children and young adults are often in some sort of dissociative state while engaged in the shooting and often have previous symptoms that are symptomatic of dissociative disorders. (This most certainly applies to some very famous assassins, such as Mark David Chapman and Sirhan Sirhan, but I’m not going to deal with that here. )

I ‘m using the term assassin here, because while it is tragic when any young person shoots another, whether out of anger or gang activities or whatever, these cases share certain features those other cases lack. Here are a few of the features that I’ve not seen highlighted in discussions of these young shooters.

They usually plan their attacks well in advance and in great detail.
They carry out their attacks in a calm, almost businesslike manner, even when vengeance is alleged to be the motive.
They often report not remembering the attacks or, more usually, feeling as if they were in a “dream” during the attacks.
They seldom flee the scene of the crime, either ending the attack in suicide or in calm surrender.
There are often strong suspicions or direct evidence of others who help plan the attacks.
There is often a history of what is often considered to be “early schizophrenia”, including hearing voices, “irrational fears”, paranoia and hallucinations.

And schizophrenia, though not typically considered a possible diagnosis in children, could be the culprit. However, it’s important to note that schizophrenia is primarily a thought disorder and makes the sort of meticulous planning that is often seen in these cases rather difficult if not impossible. In many ways, then, dissociative disorders, whether involving multiple personalities or simply a tendency to shift into “altered states” of consciousness during times of high stress, seems just as likely to explain what we are seeing, if not more so. If you combine the tendency to dissociate with a relationship with an abusive or manipulative authority figure or peer, this could easily explain most of the factors so common in these shootings. This is very important, in my view, even absent theories of “MKULTRA” or “Manchurian Candidates.” Dissociative disorders come about primarily as a result of long-term childhood abuse, often sexual abuse and/or extreme neglect. As such, it should be of concern that no one seems to be looking at this pathway in the development of these child “psychopaths.” (It should also be noted that the abuser does not necessarily have to be a parent.)

Here are a few “case studies” and  I’m sticking with the lower profile cases we don’t hear as much about. I don’t have access to much material on these cases, but what I do find is shocking.

Let’s start with Brenda Spencer. In San Diego back in 1979, 16 year-old Spencer took a rifle and started taking shots at kids in the school across the street. When a siege ended with her arrest, she reportedly said that she began shooting just because, “I just don’t like Mondays.” Other reports have her gleefully recounting that it was “a lot of fun” to shoot the children. This, by the way, was before video games even existed…if you don’t count Pong, which is not a particulary violent game.

What makes a 16-year-old girl so cold? Well, apparently the courts believed that that’s just the way she was, and reasons aren’t important. And to be fair, she did not offer up any reasons until her parole hearing in 2002. Here is a collection of articles on that hearing. And what she told the parole officers, though ultimately rejected as unsubstantiated excuses, should raise a few red flags.

Spencer said that she was sexually abused by her father and forced to share his bed until she was fourteen. The rifle with which she shot the children was a Christmas gift from her father, though she’d asked for a radio. She felt he wanted her to use it to hill herself, but whatever the reason, it’s an odd gift for a 16-year-old girl. She claimed that she was drunk and on PCP at the time and was hallucinating that a group of commandos was coming in her direction from the school when she began shooting. (Drug tests evidently came back negative, but she claims those tests were faked.)

Spencer also claimed that she was kept on mind altering drugs after she was arrested and was kept in a sort of zombie state doing and saying whatever investigators wanted. In fact, she claimed she is active with a group of 50 female inmates who were all allegedly kept on mind-altering drugs until their trials were over and are planning a lawsuit, though surely they have little hope of success even if it is true.

Sure, she could just be making all of that up hoping to win parole. Though I have to say, if that’s the way she was hoping to win parole it was an odd way to go about it. As I realize every time I even venture to write about these topics, this sort of thing is not taken seriously, least of all by parole boards. However, it is hard to imagine any other explanation that makes sense. Perhaps we could assume she was taking PCP voluntarily and then just snapped, but to me, a history of abuse seems very likely. Her father has never spoken out about the shooting.

Several school shootings are described in fairly substantial detail in the book Deadly Lessons: Understanding Lethal School Violence (2003) .  Two of them are of interest here.

In April of 1998, at age 14, Andrew Wurst came to a school dance at his Pennsylvania middle school with a pistol. He shot one teacher to death and wounded a few more students. Here is what he said when he was apprehended by the owner of the facility hosting the dance:

I died four years ago. I’ve already been dead and I’ve come back. It doesn’t matter anymore. None of this is real.’ (p. 73)

In later conversations with a psychiatrist, Wurst said he’d been knocked unconscious when “caught between two swings” at age 8. This would be 6 years previous. But by age 10, he was already having suicidal thoughts. Here is what a psychiatrist says was Wurst’s belief about other people.

Other people are “programmed to act and say what the government, mad scientists, or a psycho want them to say.” Andrew elaborated later, saying that people are like robots, programmed with “time tablets” that give them differing levels of intelligence and different personalities.

“If I can think, I am free—the last freedom are my thoughts.” (p. 77)

Wurst suffered from many seemingly irrational fears. His mother said that he was still afraid of monsters in the closet or under his bed. In addition, he was a bedwetter till age 9, and though this can have many causes, it can be a reaction to sexual abuse. Wurst also admitted that he heard voices in his head. In fact, he’d written to a friend that “the voices are coming again.”

Wurst felt he had been brought here from the future and had a special task to carry out:

At another point, Andrew stated he had returned from the future and has “a mission to prevent something terrible that has happened or that will happen in the future.” He wasn’t certain what that mission was, but he did know that he had an “arch enemy” who would try to prevent him from accomplishing it. He had never seen this arch enemy but knew that everyone has one, which meant that he had to be on guard. (p. 78)

And Andrew had told his former girlfriend some months before the murders:

“We are all in reality in hospital beds being monitored and programmed by these mad scientists, and this world is not real for them…. The scientists watch over us to see what we’re doing.”

The following year, the film The Matrix was released. The following year.

Just a few months prior to Wurst’s rampage, in December of 1997, Michael Carneal entered the lobby of his Paducah, Kentucky high school and began shooting students in a morning prayer circle. He’d brought several guns with him, as well as several sets of earplugs, which caused some to think he expected others to join in. Like Wurst, it would later emerge that he was deeply affected by mental health issues. He gravitated toward the “goth” crowd, some of whom wore the long black coats that Columbine would soon make famous.

Although he brought several guns with him that day, bundled up in a blanket as “props” for a skit, he told everyone, he chose to do the shooting with a .22 pistol. This was probably the least powerful weapon of the bunch. Not to worry, however, for Carneal, like Cho, had an amazing proficiency with this weapon that left even one military expert stunned

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Shoogie wrote:

“We are all in reality in hospital beds being monitored and programmed by these mad scientists, and this world is not real for them…. The scientists watch over us to see what we’re doing.”

The following year, the film The Matrix was released. The following year.

I woke up from my "hospital prison" back in the fall of '98. I was quickly put back under.

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What happened?! Can you explain a little more? This is something that I've really begun to believe lately

My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows

-Tyrannosaurus rex

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Here's a link to my post with the full(kind of) details of what happened to me.



http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4817

5 (edited by lyra 2007-05-08 11:19:19)

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Shoogie, that article actually creeped me out and not really very much does anymore.  My brother was like what they described in this article - for monsters in the closet substitute "breathing" in his room every night and mysterious "lights" causing him to eventually sleep in his closet to hide from them.  The opposite, in a sense, but yet the same thing.   He was also disassociative, with all the traits fof being mind controlled, and proclaimed that he was already dead.  He wasn't supposed to be here, he was supposed to be dead.

As far as school shooters go - and this was his sociopathic/disassociative, programmed side - when it came to Columbine, let's just put it this way - he certainly didn't think what they did was wrong.  In fact he gave a report in one of his classes defending Dylan/Eric's stance and view on the world, in order to be obnoxious and provoke the class and teacher out of their stupor.  He said when he was done the class was just in shocked silence.   Yup, that got their attention, they were sitting at full attention now.  ! 

The first time he watched "The Matrix" with me on VHS after moving to California I turned to him as the credits rolled, to see what he thought of it all.  He was just frowning at the screen and didn't say anything for a short bit, then finally said, "It's a lot closer to the truth than people realize."  Then got up and walked off. 


Then there's the matter of the hospital beds.  This is the part of the article that made me sit up and take notice, (besides the part about "I'm already dead.")  But back around the summer or early fall of 2000 while roommating with my brother I had a strange "halluncination" one night while resting in my bed.  I was suddenly in another bed - and I was in a coma.  My mind was awake and could hear what was going on in the room around me, but I was unable to wake up into full consciousness.  I could feel the way it feels to be in a coma, in some room - hospital room? - surrounded by people.  When I ran this by my brother he nodded with knowing and said he'd experienced that too. 

!

I almost included that anecdote in my book, as it happened during the same time period I had the "hallucination" where I suddenly saw myself wandering around in a (drugged? tranced out?) daze in a government looking facility that reminded me of the NORAD facility in the movie "War Games."   The metal grating on the walkways and stairs, the rails, the big facility all around with no windows.  I was roaming about in that drugged/tranced daze, the same way I've "dreamed" a couple of times that I was wandering around in a drugged/trance daze through hospital hallways. 

Later on during the last time I'd see him in life in Portland, Oregon, he'd been arrested, and I'd left him in jail, refusing to bail him out.  I figured...he's got the "thems" in his life?   And they care about him so much?  Let them bail him out.  Let's see their handiwork.  Sure enough...he was mysteriously released, despite having been busted red handed breaking into a place with stolen goods on him from a previous burglery, and fighting back against the cops, ("assaulting an officer" and "resisting arrest.")   So he's mysteriously let out of jail and shows up where I'm staying at the time at 11:44 p.m.   I went outside to talk to him since he wasn't allowed in anymore, and I finally realize after about a half an hour of talking to him....wait a minute.....how did you get here??  The jail is 18 miles away.  He has no car.  No money.  No contacts.  It's 20-something degrees out (F, not C!)  How did he get from there to here in this weather, at night??  How did he even find his way here?   

When I asked him that, he went blank.  "I don't know, Carissa."  He honestly didn't know how he'd gotten there.  One minute he was being mysteriously released from the jail, the next....he was at the bottom of the hill where I was staying, with no in-between.   No memories.   And he certainly didn't look like he'd walked for 18+ miles.  I was flipping out about that, and then I myself realized I'd been standing out in 22 degree weather for over a half an hour with only a t-shirt, sweat pants and socks on and hadn't felt the cold at all in that entire time, and that's when he just stared at me in this sad way, like he felt sorry for me.  And he said, "That's because this isn't real Carissa.  None of this is real."   He truly believed what he was saying.  That None of This is Real.  And he looked like he felt sorry for me for still being clueless about the nature of my own supposed reality, sad for how in denial and lost I was to what was happening here.

Anyway, with regards to the original article, what do you think is going on there Shoogie?  (Or anybody can answer, whoever has an opinion.)  Do you think these kids are just purely mental?  Or actually mind controlled?  Or both?  I think it's both.  I think they're mind controlled and so some of what they're saying is actually accurate, and that yeah, they probably aren't lying when they say they should be dead.  Reanimation is apparently pretty easy for "stuff" to swing.  But the fact that they're being tampered with so badly also makes them crazy and gives them delusions.  So there's a lot of truth mixed up with some crazy delusion.  They're just being screwed with every which way.   That's how it was with my brother, anyway.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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6 (edited by Lono 2007-05-08 11:16:39)

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It's creepy to  me, too, Lyra.  I'm sure I've probably written about this but... when I was 23 I dreamed of running (groggily, of course) down hospital corridors from the Greys.  They had slit my scalp from ear to ear, so I had to actually PULL MY FACE UP LIKE A MASK so I could see where I was going!  At one point, they cornered me, and I could feel this real surprise, like !!!!! coming from them.  I lost consciousness soon after that, but only when there were about 8 or 9 of them surrounding me. 

The funny thing is that the hospital was the one my great-uncle owns, and which I lived within less than a mile of when I was 6.  It was his house we were living actually, and it felt like it was in the country despite being so close to town.  This was when the weird stuff started going on.  Not too long ago, I dreamed that same great-uncle had gone crazy and was ranting and raving about how "We're Rockefellers, dammit!  Do you here me?  Rockefellers!"  In the dream I was like, "Oh, we're bloodline, huh?  Then how come you're just a small-town doctor, and none of us are wealthy?  Are they ashamed of us? "  I was just taunting him about that because he obviously thought he should be more important than he is. 

So, if we put this together, we have certain families which may or may not be hidden bloodline, with key "patriarchs" of the families striking deals with hyperdimensional and/ or government agencies.  This gives them a small measure of so-called power and position in exchange for allowing "stuff" to tinker with their close and distant relatives.  None of this is new, of course, and it's not exactly the direction this thread started in, but I do feel it's related.  So what you do is you look for family members that have 'risen above their stations' in a way that could be suspicious.  Cho's parents may not have been living large, but they were business owners, living the American immigrant's dream.  Hmmm...

Are we really in hospital beds?  No, I don't think so.  These are probably memories of hyperdimensional activities or even ones in which we were physically taken at some point.  But what better way to control someone than to make them think it's all hopeless-- that they should be dead or already are, and that their bodies are at the mercy of some sterile clinician in some inaccessible place?

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lyra wrote:

Do you think these kids are just purely mental?  Or actually mind controlled?  Or both?  I think it's both.  I think they're mind controlled and so some of what they're saying is actually accurate, and that yeah, they probably aren't lying when they say they should be dead. Reanimation is apparently pretty easy for "stuff" to swing.

No, I don't think they're purely mental. I really think things now happen on a 3rd density level and a 4th density one, or it could even be seen as parallel realities. Somewhere in the other dimension/reality whatever you want to call it. People are being tampered with in spiritual ways. These young people are victims of the 4th density agents-so to speak. In some way their astral bodies or their souls have been messed with and this is the result.

I agree with you Lyra that its probably happening concurrently in 3rd density  to their real bodies as well, but its not really necessary since the result is the same: A scrambled person who doesn't "fit in" and who swears things go bump in the night which torment them. They carry out their mission and no one in the 'real world' believes their reason for doing it anyway.

When you talked about your brother doing that class report I couldn't help but remember the video and song by Pearl Jam "Jeremy." When Columbine took place I had an inkling-even though I wasn't fully awake at 15-that this video was eerily prescient.

No, something is definately going on on another plane.

Lono wrote:

So, if we put this together, we have certain families which may or may not be hidden bloodline, with key "patriarchs" of the families striking deals with hyperdimensional and/ or government agencies.  This gives them a small measure of so-called power and position in exchange for allowing "stuff" to tinker with their close and distant relatives.

Lono I think its true that TPTB elite work with  these 4th density creatures hand in hand. There's some sort of an exchange going on between them. And you know what? It might even be unconsciously agreed to, at least at a 3rd density level. Perhaps even something that's taken place throughout the incarnational life of someone's soul, to work with these beings and get perks in the 3rd density. I wonder if there's a price to pay at some point?

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I've been thinking about this for a while.  It doesn't make sense that we are physically sleeping somewhere else and dreaming everything about this place.  I am thinking right now that there may be layers to this illusion.  Have you ever had the dream where you wake up, only to find out you dreamed you woke up, and that happens over and over?  It seems to me that once they had us trapped in physicality which is an illusion, maybe they trapped that physical (illusory) body and then hypnotized it and forced it to insert itself from that body into another.  That way when you wake up from one body, you're conscious goes straight back to the one you were in before, the one that is trapped on a hospital bed somewhere at which point they force you back under and insert you into another body.  There could be layers and layers.  When I was on Ayahausca I had an experience like this were I went to a place where I remembered where and who I was before, and I looked at my life now more as a dream of that other being, then the actual true reality it seems I have lived for the last 26 yrs.  I too have seen these three beings standing over me many times, always looking in at me, but I never have any clarity of my location.  It always seemed when I saw them that I was in some non-physical place and thus it became difficult to understand for me where I was when I was perceiving these beings being on the outside of whatever it was I was in, looking in at me.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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I just thought a little bit more about this.  Say that they (they being our captors) can make us see hear, and feel whatever they want.  Their goal is to keep us believing in the reality of the illusions they show us, and those of us awake are trying to figure out how much of this all is illusion.  One you get past one layer of illusion they spring another on you hoping that you will buy it (the hospital bed illusion).  That would explain why the place we are captured seems to match our current technology and beliefs.  I'm thinking this because 1000 years ago hospital beds would not look like hospital beds, so they are matching the prison we awake to our expectations.  The reason for them messing with our idea of what or what not is reality:  That the only control they have over us is our mind.  Once you begin to think that you are in no way restricted from doing anything, then they can't control you any longer.  There is not physical you grab an hold, there is only your awareness, and if they can get you to think you are somewhere, and then control that somewhere then they have you.  This is all a battle of minds, and I'll be honest, theirs are much better. 

I don't think it probably started this way.  We probably inserted into this illusion long ago as a vacation, or for fun, but once we thought we were here, we basically were because thats what we believed, and then all they had to do was change the illusion to cause us to trap ourselves. 

They must have us trapped in beds because the beds are immobile.  It makes us much easier to locate then if we were roaming around free.  So some of us must be trapped in beds in a first reality, so that they can use those bodies to drain our energy, and then we are free to roam in the second layer of illusion.  We are not totally free here though because then we might get the bright idea that we are in fact free and inadvertently free ourselves.  I learned on Ayahausca that our concept here of complexity is a joke.  My expression there I was simultaneously experiencing 6 or so realities at once all together, and the only way I found my way back to myself was through the drumming of our shaman.  But I was literally overwhelmed by these multiple realities asking which one is real, it was impossible to know, and even more confusing.  I have trouble comprehending one reality now you throw 6 or more at me! 

Anyway, I think this is a battle of minds.  I think they will kill our first level body (the one on the bed) whenever we achieved this level of awareness if they could.  They would not allow us to threaten the rest of their livestock with the disease of free thought.

"...But Nothing is Lost:" "Nothing lasts... nothing lasts. Everything is changing into something else. Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track. William Blake said nothing is lost and I believe that we all move on." - Terrence McKenna - Shpongle - But Nothing Is Lost

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Lono wrote:

It's creepy to  me, too, Lyra.  I'm sure I've probably written about this but... when I was 23 I dreamed of running (groggily, of course) down hospital corridors from the Greys.  They had slit my scalp from ear to ear, so I had to actually PULL MY FACE UP LIKE A MASK so I could see where I was going!  At one point, they cornered me, and I could feel this real surprise, like !!!!! coming from them.  I lost consciousness soon after that, but only when there were about 8 or 9 of them surrounding me.

That's horrible!  !!!!!!  Seriously.  But you know what that reminded me of when I read it?  The movie "The Island."  Have you seen it?   It's really good actually, I do a write up for it on my website in the movies section, under "Other Interesting Movies."  But there's a scene where one of the clones of a famous football player out in the real world is on the operating table.  It's his time to go, as his real world counterpart needs the organs.  (he doesn't know this of course...he's been lied to and told that he "won the lottery" and is "going to the island."  So he has no clue.)   But being as strong as he is, he doesn't stay under.  So after they saw through his chest plate bone he wakes up...then realizes what's really happening.  Jumps off the operating table, fueled by adrenaline, and takes off down the hall, with tubes hanging out of him, half cut open, going beserk, trying to get away.  They catch him and drag him back, as he's screaming "I wanna LIVE!! I wanna LIVE!"  It's a sad scene, but that's what your story totally reminded me of when I read it. 

On an unrelated side note, "The Island" is a sci-fi movie worth seeing.  It's themes would be of great interest to many NR'ers, I'm sure.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Good lord, Lyra!  I don't think I WILL be seeing that movie, like ever!  Thanks for the heads up, 'cause I can just see that traumatizing me after having something similar happen.  yikes 

*Note to self:  do NOT rent The Island*

12 (edited by lyra 2007-05-10 06:48:55)

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Lono wrote:

Good lord, Lyra!  I don't think I WILL be seeing that movie, like ever!  Thanks for the heads up, 'cause I can just see that traumatizing me after having something similar happen.  yikes 

*Note to self:  do NOT rent The Island*

Actually it's not as bad as it seems...you don't see gore or anything.  What you described sounds far more traumatic.  That would freak me out to have experienced something like that.  !!  But I can totally understand not wanting to see something even remotely similar after going through what you went through.  I still think "The Island" is a great movie because of the themes.  Clones that live in a regimented utopian society, kept under control with hefty doses of mind control, implanted fake memories and a holographic projection that gives them a false view of the supposed outside world.  Then the anomoly who begins questioning his reality and sensing that something is wrong and starts poking around, stumbling onto the shocking truth.  It combines elements from Logan's Run, The Matrix, Dark City, Cypher (a little known movie that I also recommend..... http://imdb.com/title/tt0284978/ ) The Truman Show, Soylent Green, They Live, and The Thirteenth Floor.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:

Then there's the matter of the hospital beds.  This is the part of the article that made me sit up and take notice, (besides the part about "I'm already dead.")  But back around the summer or early fall of 2000 while roommating with my brother I had a strange "halluncination" one night while resting in my bed.  I was suddenly in another bed - and I was in a coma.  My mind was awake and could hear what was going on in the room around me, but I was unable to wake up into full consciousness.  I could feel the way it feels to be in a coma, in some room - hospital room? - surrounded by people.  When I ran this by my brother he nodded with knowing and said he'd experienced that too.

Shoogie wrote:

“We are all in reality in hospital beds being monitored and programmed by these mad scientists, and this world is not real for them…. The scientists watch over us to see what we’re doing.”

This is all so interesting to me about nothing being real and you know how many say that this world is illusory in whatever respect. Your hospital beds references reminded me of one of the _only_ similar dreams I've ever remembered having so I thought I'd post it again here for the sake of matching relevancies.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 292#p43292

I am as is Void.

14 (edited by Shoogie 2007-05-11 16:19:13)

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Capitan wrote:

I don't think it probably started this way.  We probably inserted into this illusion long ago as a vacation, or for fun, but once we thought we were here, we basically were because thats what we believed,and then all they had to do was change the illusion to cause us to trap ourselves.
They must have us trapped in beds because the beds are immobile.  It makes us much easier to locate then if we were roaming around free.  So some of us must be trapped in beds in a first reality, so that they can use those bodies to drain our energy, and then we are free to roam in the second layer of illusion.  We are not totally free here though because then we might get the bright idea that we are in fact free and inadvertently free ourselves.  I learned on Ayahausca that our concept here of complexity is a joke.  My expression there I was simultaneously experiencing 6 or so realities at once all together, and the only way I found my way back to myself was through the drumming of our shaman.

That first part's so true.  You're on the money there. Where did you have your Ayahuasca experience?

My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows

-Tyrannosaurus rex

15 (edited by Shoogie 2007-05-11 16:23:08)

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lyra wrote:

I almost included that anecdote in my book, as it happened during the same time period I had the "hallucination" where I suddenly saw myself wandering around in a (drugged? tranced out?) daze in a government looking facility that reminded me of the NORAD facility in the movie "War Games."   The metal grating on the walkways and stairs, the rails, the big facility all around with no windows.

huh, that's weird..... I had a similar dream when I was in law school. Except in  my dream I was walking those metal gangways with hundreds of other people. Families. I had the vague sense they were splitting families apart but mine was still with me. We had to cross a bridge at one point over these huge machines and at an unexpected point one of them would close on your legs like a bear-trap. This ultimately happened to me in the dream. I woke up scared and upset because it felt so real.

........And it was around this same time that I woke up another night. Woke up. And heard this voice counting  down numbers in my ear.:o I froze and my eyes were wide open because I could literally hear what sounded like this deep male voice in a conscious state accompanied by static:(

My People Were Fair And Had Sky In Their Hair...But Now They're Content To Wear Stars On Their Brows

-Tyrannosaurus rex