Topic: Multidimensional number system

Here's something I recieved while in twilight sleep I thought I would share to see if its anything anyone can relate to. When I awoke once a while back I realized I had been 'thinking' about our number system (0 - 9) and it's numbers' progressions from one to the next and had recieved a unique understanding of the numbers. Sometimes while in twilight sleep I will realize that I've been thinking about some things that I don't usually think about in normal waking state, sometimes its things that I don't even generally hold a capacity to understand. And at this time when I'd recieved this, I wasn't researching or reading anything about numbers at all. I've never read much at all about numerology, it just never really appealed to me.

So you have ten numbers (0 - 9), each symbol representing a dimension of existence. Each number obviously representing a single level of progression from the prior. The understanding I recieved of these numbers is that of each number existing by virtue of its building upon the foundation set by the prior number: 1 from 0, 2 from 1, etc. and how each symbol, as a representation of a dimension of existence, _requires_ its prior symbol in order to exist.

Zero being the nothing. Represented as a circle symbol, this nothing could be seen as representing a single point - the level of no dimensions. But also the level of all dimensions.

One draws a line from the point of nothing traveling in one dimension. Representing the first 'separation' from nothing, this line forms only one dimension in that there is only a single line between two points.

Two. Assuming we have already established the first dimension as a line forming the number 1. (try to envision the numbers laid over themselves) Two further expounds apon the potential inherent within the one dimension by tracing and filling in its new dimensional space of a 2D plane. (From the 1, assuming it was drawn from the top downward) Two would seem to symbolize the 'filling in' of this new 2nd dimension by starting at the top left and tracing a 'zig-zag' across and around the one, back across to the other side towards the bottom and back again. Using the one to symbolically portray the next logical sequence of dimensional reality. We now have a symbolic 2 dimensional plane perfectly perpendicular with your computer screen.

Three. Ever see those dimensional excercises where it demonstrates how the human mind is incapable of contemplating something outside of 3D? Like where it asks you what dimension one would add to the third dimension and nobody can imagine what would define a fourth spatial dimension? Because that's what we begin to get into here. Because in a 3D world where these number symbols exist there are three dimensions for direction but the symbols themselves are on a 2D medium. So what would one add to a 2 dimensional symbol of a number representing an extradimensional aspect of 2 dimensions? Three begins to be written the same as a number two except at the middle it turns back and forms a mirror reflection of itself from above to below. Three cleverly represents this extradimensional aspect in a 2D symbol by invoking the concept of symmetry or reflection and does so by mirroring the beginning of the two symbol below it on an axis of symmetry which is perpendicular to that of the one line. Here we also begin to see relations to foundational numbers other than the one immediately preceeding. So we have the three which, when drawn, also 'fills in' the 2D plane but in a new way introducing a new concept in itself.

Four. Now think of all three numbers overlayed on themselves. 1, 2, and 3 - zero being a point. And think of the paths they have layed literally and conceptually. What new direction could the 4 introduce? It begins with a one line and then continues with the slanted line again from the top - in a direction not yet traveled, yet _towards_ the end of the symmetry axis line defined by the three. Then traces this line from the opposite direction than did the symmetry axis of the three. The first symbol to use two separate straight lines, also wherein both cross each other, the four is also the first symbol not normally written in one pen stroke. I would interpret this crossing line to be symbolic of a fundamental differentiation being made between these first four numbers and the rest. The crossing line being symbolic of a blocking or end of progression. And the symbol itself would indicate there to exist more 'above' the separating line than 'below' it.

Five. Also seems to me to be making an attempt at 'filling in' the spatial gaps left by the previous numbers. Looking at it like its a capital 'S', it is more fluid but with the straight top on it, it could possibly represent a 'higher level' and the line tracing down from the top corner being representative of that which perpetuates therefrom. Also the direction in which it travels down from the top being a mirror of the direction a two travels so we have a new axis of symmetry line in the form of a one symbol which mirrors the two symbol from the five.

Six. Taking a step back from these intertwining intracacies of prior symbols we have a six beginning in the top right corner and encircling or spiraling around (counter clockwise) to seemingly encompass all of these other symbols' directional lines which I would suggest makes the first attempt at literal 'extradimensional' expression comparing with what we have prior. The six adds an unseen but specifically defined 'imaginary line' connecting the symbol with the viewer. This line travels out from the center of the symbol, out of your computer screen and straight towards you. Or is it from you _to_ the symbol?? The latter I might think.

. . . and so on and so forth.

Seven being a symbolic meld of a five's straight top and the one's simplicity.

Eight infinity. All encompasing of both 'top' and 'bottom' as well as mirror image of both.

Nine opposite of six. Spiraling out instead of in.

Sooo did I tap into the infinity of the cosmos or was it just a bad dream . . .

I am as is Void.

2 (edited by Sowelu 2006-09-17 20:45:18)

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Xenopope wrote:

Sooo did I tap into the infinity of the cosmos or was it just a bad dream . . .

I'm sure I don't know, Xenopope (though I hope it's the former), but I just wanted to say your post was awesome. I followed it, first of all tongue, and it even triggered an inner state for me, as I pondered while reading, that I can't describe but feel was expanding. Sparked an insight or two into Self for me, as well. Thanks! smile

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Yes - awesome post Xenopope, it's got me thinking too, and also wondering if this post really belongs with Shanjurans Master Cell code post.

I'm going to take this a stage further. I think we should also look at the way the numbers 0 to 9 are displayed digitally, say on a calculator.  You can still use your original observations, (as the basis), but then make further observations.

Number 8 is complete and contains all the aspects of every other number.

Looking at Shanjurans master cell, number 9 is all around (God consciousness) , yet the 9 is incomplete.  The digits (or dimensions) 1 thru 8 are all the primary dimensions we exist upon, within the 9.

There are more observations to be drawn and much contemplation to make, but consider this.

8 is more complete than the 9!!!!

In other words, the God consciousness is not yet complete, until we reach perfection. We are here to complete (compliment) the All.

Now to take all this onto Shanjurans code... big_smile

4 (edited by titmouse_ 2006-09-18 07:22:53)

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"On the train of life....perfection is the final destination, although one may go through hell to get there"
~~carefulcarpenter


You may consider the formula I added regarding Truth, to ponder the infinite.

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


1+1=1

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Great stuff folks!

This reminds me how Steiner explains the qualitative numbers emergence. first we have the point, sweep it and you got the line, sweep it and you got the plane, sweep it and you got the solid, sweep it and you got the 4D solid, that is seen etherically in a 2D image (like in memory, an image in the mind).

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Do you wonder why 666 is the number of the beast and why not 328?

7 is the bomber of completion, perfection. THe cycle that closes on itself and goes back to its point of origin (octave).

6 is the number of a development that doesn't complete itself, that doesn't reach perfection, that stays imperfect. 6 is two times three, so we stay in division in the 33 of occult brotherhoods.

According to Steiner,
there are 7 planetar stages: Saturn, Sun, Moon, Earth, Jupiter, Venus, Vulcan.
Also 7 conditions of life: first elemental kindom, second EK, third EK, mineral kingdom, vegetal kingdom, animal kingdom and human kingdom.
And 7 conditions of form: higher spiritual without form, lower spiritual with form, astral, physical, then plastic astral, lower spiritual intellectual and higher spiritual archetypal. We are in the 4th planetary stage: Earth. In this stage we are in the 4th condition of life: the mineral kingdom. And in this latter stage we are in the 4th condition of form: the physical.

171
Each planetary stage has 7 conditions of life and 7 X 7 conditions of forms.
Going through the stages of Saturn, Sun and Moon (past stages before Earth), we accomplished 3 X 7 X 7 (=21) conditions of from. That is 147. To these 147 CDF, we must add the conditions of form accomplised since the beginning of the Earth stage, that is 3 X 7 = 21 (the trois élémental conditions of life each developing into 7 conditions of form), plus 3 conditions of forms already accmplished in the mineral condition of life. It all adds up to 171. Esoterically, this number means: one behind us (past), 7 in the center and one in front of us (future).

172
So we are in the 172th condition of form, the Physical condition of from of the mineral condition of life of the Earth planetary stage. 172 is the middle of 343. Three=past forms, 4=present, 3=future.

343

7 X 7 X 7 = total of 343 conditions of forms from Saturn stage to the 7th planetary stage that is called Vulcan. So we are in the middle of this development. We have to be in the middle of it to be aware to be in the middle. (Like the horizon is always equidistant from us, each I being at the center of it)

344: the number of evolution
We have pased throgh three conditions of form (three elemental realms) in the 4th condition of life, the Mineral one. We have accomposhed 4 Root-Races or Great Epochs (Polarian, Hyperborean, Lemurian and Atlantean). In our post-atlantean Great Epoch, we have already accomplished 4 subraces or cultural epochs (Indian, Persian, Egypt-Chaledea-Babylonia, and GrecoRoman. We are in the fifth subrace or cultural epoch: the anglo-germanic. 344 reads 3, 4, 4, not three hundred forty-four.

666
(small) apocalypse NOW! First 6. Between 6th and 7th cultural epoch leading into the pralaya which separates the 6th Great Epoch form the 7thGEpoch. The small apocalypse is the War of All Against All (WWIV). The moon reunites with the earth and frightening though forms emerge, looking like superintelligent spiders of the AI and the WWW. The Church of Philadelphia is the small group which manages to stay together in this turmoil and pass through safely into the next Great Epoch without being ensalved by the spiders. The mission of the Church of Philadelphia starts in the 6th cultural epoch, in year 3573 to 5735 AD. This Philadelphia is the small group which will form the basis of the future 6th Great Epoch or Root-Race after the great devastation (pralaya).

466
Reads 4, 6, 6. It points to a far future in the Earth stage where 4 conditions of form will be accmplished (we will have entered the plastic astral condition of form), 6 Great Epochs or Root-Races. This the realisation of a second 6, but after this second 6 there is still time to repent and change our fundamental impulse toward STO. There, the sun reunites with the earth and the lunar globe containing all materiality and egoistic individuals will be ejected because it is too dense to dissolve in the spiritual. It becomes a new satellite to our planet. The 7 trumpets sound.

666
400, 200, 60, 6 = Samech, Vav, Ruach, Tav = Sorat
400 in Hebrew is the word “Taw” , which refers to ‘the lower Self’ [TA], 200 is the word “Resch” , which refers to the astralbody [R], 6 means “Waw” , which refers to the etheric body [O] and 60 is the word “Samech” , which refers to the physical body [S]. By reading the letters between [ ] backward, it gives SORAT, which means that all the 3 bodies [astral, etheric and physical] are put in the service of the lower Self. Sorat is the other Beast, “the dragon that comes out of the Earth”  spoken of in the Rev. of St. John, Chapter 13-11: He gives his power to the “first Beast”  [13:12, 3, 4] “that comes out of the Sea”  [which is Satan;13:1]. Reads six hundred and sixty-six.

666
It reads 6,6,6.
It will become a reality when we will be in the 6th condition de form, the 6th Root-Race and the 6th subrace. In the Earth development. This is the Last Jugment. The true Last Chance points to the very last 666 in the 6th condition of form of the 6th condition of life of the 6th planetary stage, which is called Venus (coming after Earth and Jupiter stages).

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Sowelu wrote:

I'm sure I don't know, Xenopope (though I hope it's the former), but I just wanted to say your post was awesome. I followed it, first of all tongue, and it even triggered an inner state for me, as I pondered while reading, that I can't describe but feel was expanding. Sparked an insight or two into Self for me, as well. Thanks! smile

Awesome. I guess the point I was trying to make was that this number system is a 2D representation of some multidimensional cosmic building-block concept with etheric effects which reach far beyond our limited perception.

Blue wrote:

8 is more complete than the 9!!!!

In other words, the God consciousness is not yet complete, until we reach perfection. We are here to complete (compliment) the All.

I think I understand. Good insight!

titmouse_ wrote:

"On the train of life....perfection is the final destination, although one may go through hell to get there"
~~carefulcarpenter

You may consider the formula I added regarding Truth, to ponder the infinite.

Thanks titmouse! But where do I find this formula?

druid wrote:

This reminds me how Steiner explains the qualitative numbers emergence. first we have the point, sweep it and you got the line, sweep it and you got the plane, sweep it and you got the solid, sweep it and you got the 4D solid, that is seen etherically in a 2D image (like in memory, an image in the mind).

I knew it would turn out to be a reflection of some previously established number concept. Maybe I should go read some of him eh? Is it Rudolph Steiner?

druid wrote:

Do you wonder why 666 is the number of the beast and why not 328?

7 is the bomber of completion, perfection. THe cycle that closes on itself and goes back to its point of origin (octave).

6 is the number of a development that doesn't complete itself, that doesn't reach perfection, that stays imperfect. 6 is two times three, so we stay in division in the 33 of occult brotherhoods.

Yes I did wonder why because the mere claim of this numbers association would indicate there to exist power to be held in the numbers themselves. If it is indeed this specific number and its associative qualities which holds power over some forces of reality within which consciousness resides or is confined, then it would make sense taking into account the state of perpetual non-perfection or non-completion within which we presently find ouselves in this reality. Your display of number associations evidenced by their usage by occult brotherhoods would indeed indicate there to exist some occulted knowledge of this system and its covert implementaion into ritual practice and even societal norms. Evidence of this system of secret number associations is embedded within the reality of our immediate location in many ways other that the one seen below.

http://www.un.org/english/portals/images/biglogo.gif

druid wrote:

The small apocalypse is the War of All Against All (WWIV). The moon reunites with the earth and frightening though forms emerge, looking like superintelligent spiders of the AI and the WWW. The Church of Philadelphia is the small group which manages to stay together in this turmoil and pass through safely into the next Great Epoch without being ensalved by the spiders.

What is the WWW? And what are the spiders? Are you referring to Revelations 9: 3 - 11?

I am as is Void.

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Xeno, very interesting thread, I especially liked your description of 3, how it mirrors itself/ half of 2.

A passing thought I had was that if 8 represents infinity, and if the 8 is written as a draftsman would write it, then it is two zeros.

If we bisect the two zeros with an imaginary line, we get a reflection of zero on itself.

Is 8's real meaning "from nothing, back into nothing"?

And is that the true definition of the infinite?

.......Just pondering                      J

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
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Rudolf Steiner, yes.
There are some books of Steiner and anthroposophists about the 4th dimension and the etheric realm. Steiner's books on this are : "The Fourth Dimension: Sacred Geometry, Alchemy and Mathematics", and "Numbers" I have an anthroposophical book in French "Le Monde  Éthérique" by Adams, Marti, Smith and Steiner. You may also look for Sympathetic Vibratory Physics, because numbers have geometrical and free energy applications (Steiner talked about the J.W.Keely invention as precursory to a new moral technology involving elemental collaboration with moral humans in order to make industries fonction by themselves, without humans beings exploited or alienated working in industrial shops.)
on maths: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/MatOcc_index.html
on music: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/InNatM … index.html



WWW = worldwideweb

I quote Steiner mentioning these spiders here: http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic. … 288#p42288
A Picture of Earth-Evolution in the Future, Lecture by Rudolf Steiner, Dornach, May 13th, 1921, GA 204 http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/Places … 13p01.html
Those spiders, eerily identical to the spiders of AI in the matrix movie, they will be concrete materialisations manifestating materialistic intellectual thought forms we emit (and get trapped into their WorldWideWeb).
I think the locusts are the same as those spiders. Steiner saw the reunification of moon and earth and the swarms of locusts culminating in about 8000 AD.


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6 = 2 X 3 = 3 and 3 or 33
23 is also a special number for Ordo ab Chao - hegelian dialectics of thesis-antithesis-synthesis or action-reaction-solution (not only for 'discordianists' of pop occulture)


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I figured recently that, according to anthroposphic system, we are now in the 33th culture of the Earth planetary stage:
7 in Polarian epoch
7 in Hyperborean epoch
7 in lemurian epoch
7 in Atlantean epoch
5 in our post-atlantean epoch (India, Persia, Egypt-Chaldea, Greco-roman, and anglo-germanic that is now 'king of the world civilisation').
7 + 7 + 7 + 7+ 5 = 33.
Lodges know their numbers.

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Damned if I didn't want to ask someone about 322 when I was poking out my last post, druid, you beat me to it!

I also had some thoughts about the similarity between 3 and 8, does 8 contain all the missing aspects/degrees of (in)completeness of 3?

druid wrote:
"not only for the 'discordianists' of pop occulture"

Love your wordplay druid, always!

"I hate dreaming. because when you want to sleep, you want to sleep. Dreaming is work. Next thing you know I have to build a go-kart with my ex landlord"
-The late Mitch Hedberg

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there's philosopher Demosthenes who comited suicide in 322 BC. Skull & Bones are commited to his memory... Really.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm

"AMY GOODMAN: Our guest is Alexandra Robbins. Her book is, "Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, The Ivy League and the Hidden Paths of Power.”  Alexandra Robbins, the number.

ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: That would be 322.

AMY GOODMAN: Explain the significance of that.

ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: Okay. So, according to Skull and Bones lore, and this is something that both Senator Kerry and president bush would have learned, in 322 B.C., a Greek orator died. When he died, the goddess Eulogia, the goddess, whom Skull and Bones called the goddess of eloquence, arose to the heavens and didn't happen to come back down until 1832, when she happened to take up residence in the tomb of Skull and Bones. Now Skull and Bones does everything in deference to this goddess. They have songs or they call them that sacred anthems that they sing when they are encouraged to steal things, some remarkably valuable items, supposedly, they are said to be bringing back gifts to the goddess. They begin each session in the tomb, and they meet twice weekly by unveiling a sort of a guilt shrine to Eulogia. That's the point of the society. They call themselves the Knights of Eulogia. That's where the 322 comes in. "


About the relationship between 8 and 3, I don't know anything about that.
3 is perfect, the first prime numer after 1 (which really doesn't count). Holy trinity ins three in one or one with three aspects. Three is equilibrium of polarity. It resolves duality tensions. Like the synthesis.
8 is infinite and eternal. maybe 3 is the perfection of the divine and 8 is the totality of the harmony of the manifest world and the divine world in eternal stillness and paradoxial movemtn (the 8 movement appears to be a cure technique). The number 8 was important to Templars. they had control over money, power in politics, autority in religon, etc. Like the double crossed square : it is doubly fixated. The power is total. For Templars it was a good use of power and autority for the good of society (that's why they were a threat to the Roman Church), but with masonry it became completely corrupt in politics and unpure use and understanding of gnostic knowledge.
THree, like 7, is perfect. in the middle of seven we have the number 4, with 3 on each side of the scale. or we also have 4+3, which means the four human bodies (physical, etheric, astral and ego), plus the three potential spiritual dimensions that are yet to be developped (manas, buddhi, atma or Spirit-Self, Spirit-Life and Spirit-Man, the golden triangle of the masons). So the Temple looks like a square (4 corners) when you look at the two front pillars, with a triangle on top, that is the potential trinity of the three spiritualised bodies, spiritualised by the work of the ego on th three lower bodies (physical, etheric, astral). We can also recognise the square and triangle on the masonic apron or regalia (it forms a square with a reversed triangle in the upper side of the interior of the square).http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/masonic_apron_of_alf_t_ringling.htm

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Xenopope wrote:

What is the WWW? And what are the spiders? Are you referring to Revelations 9: 3 - 11?

Welcome to the world wide web!
It will have its own ahrimantic conscience...
Perhaps now it is in process of "gestation", but one day is going to be born.
All the web interconnection over the planet remember-me  of the brain neuron
interconnections.

BTW, great dream!

Bye, Pictus

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http://pictus.co.nr

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When you see the rapidity with which bionic thought-powered organs are created, it is pretty scary. If it can go one way (thought to bionic organ) it can go the other way too (from microship implants or VHF-UHF-ELF to consciousness ; there is no need for physical implants anymore) because electrical impulse generated by thoughts in the nerve system are compatible with electronic influx.

It is now common knowledge that scientists have already developped organic electronic systems, semi-living conscious computers. Event cells can be made to behave like computer processors. IBM signs its products right into its atomic-molecular structure. 

Welcome my son. Welcome to the Machine.

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For a related thread (as regards the #9) check out:

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3736

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Xenopope, it's pretty amazing how you've seen into the numbers and their dimensional implications. It brought to mind the polygons I had to make in school for design class. How the numerical progressions are related to the Golden Mean and Fibonacci series, and our teacher's admitting that certain orders of design have been deliberately promulgated, while others have been squelched. In this case  it was presented as the well known ratios of beaty and proportion having been thought unassailable, albiet they are Western modes. When Matisse centered objects on the canvas, critics thought it blasphemous to a proper sense of proportion. However this layout is common in Eastern art, for example. Thus the numeric trajectory of art would tend to impose unconscious perceptual limits upon the mind, and it is enforced no doubt down to the placement of streetlights! It makes one look forward to exploring some of the lesser known worlds of numbers and dimensions which you put forth. It would be pretty neat to do a film or narrative progression illustrating this. Seems you've really come upon something big here! The particular way of percieving and presenting it you've done here is, I agree with Sowelu, expansive and refreshing. I also think certain dimensions are enforced in association with the numbers, as you've said, by TPTB, and there are prejudices built in to every area of society in order to enforce this, and to keep people from seeing into other dimensions  which "un-stick" and free our minds. This description you've given provides a kind of map towards doing this.

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Observe how the Golden Ratio fits the Pentagram.
Pentagram is Venus. Or at least it reflects the Venus cycle in its angles.
Venus was called Mercury in old times. the mercury we find in laboratories has the property to tend toward the round form, a circle, enclosing onto itself. This reflects the Ego nature. Thus the pentagram not only reflects life principles (etheric) it also points to when human ego can gain power over the etheric realm and become a creator himself, god-like.   Unfortunately, all esoteric knowledge ends up in dirty hands and so black lodges know how to use the etheric powers latent in the blood of certain bloodlines, how to tap into the geomagnetic etheric powers of geographical locations using geometrical forms as landscape markpoints (hills for example, like in Rennes le Château, where the landscape shows a pentagram and an hexagram, as seen from above, in connexion to the stars and planets). They know also how certain sexual (tantric) practices gets one to manipulate etheric forces. Anthroposophic researchers have pointed to these techniques as the keys to ahrimanic immortality, that which Saunière managed to gain for himself (the dates of his death and burial ceremony are keys also to this ahrimanic etheric immortality by which one gets a hardened etheric body - hardened through mecanistic and intellectual masonic rituals - in which he can continue to exist after death. It also strenghens the Double and it is this ahrimanic double (doppelganger, Shadow-self coming from geomagnetic forces coming out of the earth) that permits ahrimanic immortality.

For the best, pentagrams and sacred geometry can be used to re-establish the broken link between the stars and the earth, so that the Great Isis-Sophia can united back with earth and live again, enlivening the devas and elementals of this or that particular location. StarGates as these (Stonhendge, Pike's Peak, etc.) have been polluted by black magicians. We have to clear them up to re-establish communication between the spiritual forces of the cosmos and the earth (elementals and devas long for this reunion though they can't do it by themselves, we have to be the mediator of this renewed connection).