• Registered: 2005-12-20

Topic: Brought to you buy the number 9...

Ok, I'm not sure how to lay this all down because my brain is going in a million directions but here it goes.  Keep in mind that I was never good with math or physics but appreciate their function and validity in spiritual pursuits.  Just so you understand, I'm not trying to be condescending at all in explaining things, just that there may be people who aren't familiar with some topics or references.  Also, repetition is for clarity's sake.  Anyway, out with the preamble, in with the madness!

Basically, I"ve been contemplating the number 9 and it's "meaning" in the universal sense for some months now.  After reading about the number nine and it's peculiar properties in relation to metaphysics in Steve Gamble's article series Shopping for Spirit some things started clicking but without any seeming result or direction, until now....I think.

For those who don't know, the number 9 acts in a peculiar fashion compared to other numbers.  If you multiply 9 by any number you will get an answer that can be simplified back to 9.  For example:

9x2 = 18, 1+8 = 9
9 x 58711.1283 = 528400.1547, 5+2+8+4+0+0+1+5+4+7 = 36, 3+6=9

It seems to work with any number used as a multiple of 9.  The other night in IRC PleiadeanHealer (JP) mentioned something about a Mala (Vedic prayer beads) which has 108 beads.  Something clicked there, as I realized that I was confronted with another 9 as 1+0+8 = 9.  I figured that the Hindus probably didn't just arbitrarily pick 108 for the bead count (later found out it's the same amount on a Catholic rosary, interesting).  An explanation I saw when researching the Mala was that 108 is 9x12 (9 planets X 12 zodiacal signs).  So then I started fiddling around with 108, dividing it by various numbers. When I divided it by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 it always equalled a number that was once again divisible by 9.

For the sake of typing ease I will omit the "0" in any of the equations as it doesn't make a difference when adding.

108/1=108, 1+8=9
108/2=54, 5+4=9
108/3=36, 3+6=9
108/4=27, 2+7=9
108/5=21.6, 2+1+6=9
108/6=18, 1+8=9

Then I came to 108 divided by 7.  108/7=15.428571 (with 428571 repeating).  Doesn't make any sense as far as the pattern goes right?....

Well, a while back I was reading In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky.  For those unfamiliar, the book was basically a journal of Ouspenky's time spent with G.I. Gurdjieff, the modern progenitor of the 4th Way teachings.  In the book Gurdjieff pointed out the peculiarity of the number 7 as he was trying to explain the Law of 7 to his pupils.  He made it obvious that if you if you divide the number 1 through 6 INTO 7 you get a very unusual result:

[(...) signifies a repeating #]
1/7=0.142857...
2/7=0.285714...
3/7=0.428571...
4/7=0.571428...
5/7=0.714285...
6/7=0.857142...

http://skepdic.com/graphics/ennea.gif

Also, while re-reading ISOTM I just cognized the fact that using any of the combinations of 142857 within the enneagram you will follow a continuous looping path from one number to the next and back.
side note:  while researching just now I found out that 142857 x 7 = 999999, it just gets weirder...

In any of the above examples the set of numbers succeding the decimal when added together always =27, 2+7=9, hence the enneagram (literally 9 points) of Gurdjieff .  Also, if you isolate any of the answers to 1/7 through 6/7 in a column and add them together, you will also get 27.  Now it may seem obvious that if you divide 7 by 7 you will get one right?  Maybe not....

When I first read the division of 7 rule I was pretty blown away since I had just finished reading most of Laura Knight-Jadczyk's articles on her website and had become familiar with the idea of 7 densities of awareness and had been aware for some time that 7 is considered a magical number in many traditions with various meanings.  Actually, I found Gurdjieff through her writings, thanks Laura!  With the newfound knowledge of 7 I decided to try dividing other numbers and logically started with 3 because of it's metaphyical importance:

1/3=0.3...
2/3=0.6...
3/3=?

Now to me, if I follow that pattern, 3/3 would be 0.9 repeating, as would any number divided by itself. Logically 0.9 repeating would round up to 1, hence the rule that a number divided by itself is whole as 1.  In Gurdjieff's above explanation of the division of 7, he listed 7/7 as 0.9 repeating.  Didn't make sense to me at the time until I had tried the numeric self-division with 3 and saw a pattern.

So anyway, yesterday on July 18th(1+8=9) my parents ordered Chinese food for dinner.  The total came to $53.46 (pricey eh?).  I figured I might as well check it out numerologically and guess what?  Another 18, another 9!

I thought this was just a funny synchro until a couple hour later.  My dad put it on PBS (thanks America!) and the documentary The Elegant Universe was on.  It's basically a fun-filled explanation of Quantum and String theories, lots of animation and crap, check it out if you can.  Anyway, they got to this one point where buddy was explaining how the universe is basically composed of music, a cosmic symphony of sorts.  This made my dad very happy (especially when they were repeating what he was saying 2 seconds after him) because that is one of his sayings, "The universe is made of music".  At one point they are talking about this anomaly that string theory researchers had run into back in '84.  I barely understood it, he he, but basically the answer to their equation that solved all these problems for them was "496".  I did a quick calculation, probably a little too quick, as I thought that 4+9+6=18, but later when trying to work something out realized I added one too many and it's actually 19!

So, along the way I also learned that if you add up all the single digit numerals (1-9) you get 45, which also is a 9 (4+5).  By adding 10  to that number to complete the sequence, you get 55 which is 10 (5+5).  After letting myself down with the "496" and 9 relation due to faulty brain mechanics I started crunching some more numbers. 

496/9= 55.1...

When I got that number I thought it mighty curious that 55 is all numbers (1-10) added together, as well breaking down back into ten. I had actually just finished explaining this to my dad. Well obviously if 4+9+6 was 19 then it wouldn't divide right, but what does? Well...

496/8=62
496/7=70.857142

Both interesting but don't reveal much, to me anyway.  So seeing that 496 almost fit perfectly with 55, I decided to divide 496 by 55 and I got...

496/55=9.018..., 9+1+8=18, 1+8=9!!!!

At this point I wasn't that blown away because of where it had all been leading, kinda expected it.  Now for the questions:

Based on Steve Gamble's article and my own inklings I had thought that perhaps the number 9 symbolically relates to that "structure" that "contains" the octave of 8.  Kind of like infinity+1.  I also found that when playing around with 7 and 9 that the normal patterns changed.  If union with the one is considered 7th density, and 8th is the octave, then what exactly is 9, and how does it relate to that string theory equation?

I'm starting to think that the "complete" cycle actually ends/begins at 10 rather than 8, because after all 10 is just 1 and 0, which equals 1 anyway.  Basically it's the expanded 1.

I'd love to hear anyone else's ideas about the meaning of these numbers and their patterns.  I'm basically throwing this out there for anyone to try to figure out because I'm pretty sure I can't on my own, and this research may help someone else figure out something within their own research.  Any new thoughts and/or critical observations would be greatly appreciated. May the (god)force be with you!

  • Twistd
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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

wow man. nice post. that was cool

Come to the Noble Realms IRC Chat.

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3457

I'm almost always in the chat when I'm on the NR Forums, so stop in and chat with me.
  • Solar_Sphinx
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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

I was once on a numerical quest myself, and I agree in what you’re saying about the number.   
The number 9 has some weird qualities. Unfortunately it was a long time ago I was into numbers, and can’t really put it all on paper now, but the number 9 is hidden in many numerical structures. I was once recommended the book “Number 9: The Search for the Sigma Code”  by Cecil Balmond, although I eventually got bored with numerology, and I never read it. But you might wanna check it out.

As you said, the 108 is a sacred number in Buddhism and Hinduism, as is 432. Check out the yuga-cycles. Also, in Norse mythology a building in Valhalla has 540 rooms or something. The number pops up in many myths. There are some websites that deal with these numbers. The nine always leads back to itself, and in a way, you might consider the nine a neverending loop, while the 10 leads to liberation from rebirth.
But, just as 10 liberates from 9, sometimes the 8 liberates from 7; in Gnostic cosmology, the Ogdoad (represented by 888) is the sacred eighth heaven above the 7 spheres of the prison. And the seven is of course even more common in religious symbolism than the number 9.

Anyway, if you’re interested in Pythagorean numerology I can recommend Faith Javane and Dusty Bunker’s book “Masters Numbers” , in which they present a theory of a cycle between 1-100, and also give detailed descriptions of numbers; also, their book “Divine Triangle”  is a gem.

A little warning though, you can get quite confused and paranoid when dealing with numbers, seeing hidden messages everywhere. It is cool to observe how the world of illusion/the matrix is made up of numerical patterns, but trying to see the code all the time is not really too healthy. At least that’s according to my experiences. I also recognize the miscalculations that you do in trying to make numbers fit into a pattern (you mentioned the number 496/19), it’s very easily done.

But, hopefully you have a really good time deciphering some of the mysteries of the world.

All the best! smile

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  • Registered: 2005-12-20

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

Sorry for lack of response but I was away for a few days. 

Thanks Twistd.

Solar_Sphinx, thanks for all those books and references you mentioned, when I can get some book buying money I'll be sure to check them out. 

I totally agree with you about number study and understanding being a potentially negative path to take on the personal spiritual quest.  As I mentioned before, I've never been good with math or concepts relating to it, but when I got a hold of Gurdjieff and saw those calculations it really sparked something in me because of the spiritual signifigance.  Though I understand the relevance of numbers as symbols, I'm always weary of looking TOO far into them, especially if it isn't related to a subconscious act of purposely seeing them, and instead is just a random number sighting. Although, the other day (couple of days after posting the thread) I was hanging out with my group of spiritual friends and noticed a licence plate of 999 9999 which made me laugh.  It was actually the phone number of the company car that was on the plate, but interesting nonetheless.


Follow up findings:

As was noted in the original post, if you multiply 142857 by 7 you get 999999.  I decided to try it with the other formulations of 142857 and got an interesting result:

142857x7=999999
285714x7=1999998
428571x7=2999997
571428x7=3999996
714285x7=4999995
857142x7=5999994

The first and last digit are all that changes in the result, and when you add them together they also equal 9.

  • Registered: 2006-08-05

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

I still remember being totally amazed when my school teacher showed us the magical properties of 9 as a number.  It was like being thrown in space and floating in the cosmos using maths as mark-points.


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I also remember that Twin Peaks fans ('Peakies') were counting everything in the serie. they focussed a lot on the fact that agent Cooper's room number waas emphatically showed as being 315. It adds up theosophically to 9. In Twin Peaks there NUMEROUS allusions to norse mythologies, even the word Valahlla is pronounced. (And the tv spectator asks himself: "Why is this guy talking about Valhalla? It's coming out of nowhere! It ain't nothing to do with the story!" Well... Twin Peaks is a modern fairy tale for adults. In Twin Peaks, everything has meaning and shrouded in mystery and magic.

There is also this article quoting Steiner on the 9 inner spheres of earth, each reflecting one of the 9 spiritual hierarchies but in a fallen, 'subnatural', underworld state, and linking it to 'Twin Peaks', which has 9 letters. In Twin Peaks, there is this black magician Windom Earle, using a certain portal in the woods of Twin Peaks, in a circle of 12 sycamores that is also 'an opening to a gateway'. Steiner talks about certain points of the earth surface being very powerfully linked to the 6th sphere of the underworld, the sphere of the fire of passions. These can be used to tap into this limitless power by black magician performing certain cruel and killing rituals. Using black magic, he can also dig deeper from the 6th to the 9th sphere of the underworld, and this 9th sphere is the hard core of earth, made of pure black magic substance, the source of all spiritual evil in the world, where a fallen Seraphim (9th spiritual hierarchy) brings about hate and black magic. So certain points of the earth's surface are doors that black magician may use to tap into the black magic power of the underworld, a power linked to fire and, more deep than that, hate and black magic. This is exactly what Windom Earle cultivates in Twin Peaks.

9 would be the number of egoity, for good and bad. Cooper is good and his room number is 315 (3+1+5=9). Windom Earle is definitely bad, the badest of the bad, and he taps using black magic, into the 9th sphere of the underworld, the inner core of earth, the source of all spiritual evil in the world.

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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

i'm not sure if this is common knowledge or anything, but has anyone realized that there's an exception to the "If you multiply 9 by any number you will get an answer that can be simplified back to 9" rule?
If you divide 9 by any multiple of 3 (or multiply by the reciprocal, to stay with the multiplication theme) you'll get a number that isnt simplified back to nine. A few examples:
9*(1/3) = 3
9*(1/6) = 1.5, 1+5=6
9*(1/12) = .75, 7+5=12 1+2=3
9*(1/243) = .037..., 3+7=10

the one interesting thing I noticed was 3 to the sixth power, 729.
9*(1/729) = .012345679... the digits 0-9, skipping 8, repeating. without the 8, the digits add up to 37, 3+7=10. a really interesting result though.

so what do y'all think?

btw, i'm new here. hello!

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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

I am getting seriously spooked at this point in time.. I am seeing so many symbols that are all starting to come together and ending up (for me, in my personal quest) at the place and country where I intend to live. The 9 and the 818 gateway, the flower of life, 11:11, etc are all synchronising..

Add up the main numbers on this page ... http://www.vortexmaps.com/htmla/numero.htm

They all come to 9.

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  • Registered: 2006-09-12

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

That is really weird blue.

Also, adding to my last post, here's a few other things I noticed regarding multiples of 3.
Whenever you divide 9 by a multiple of 3 and the result is a repeating decimal of four or more digits long, those digits will add up to 27, which adds up to 9. This contradicts my previous statement about multiples of 3.
Examples:
9*(1/105) = 0.0 857142..., 8+5+7+1+4+2=27
9*(1/117) = .076923..., 7+6+9+2+3=27
9*(1/126) = 0.0 714285..., 7+1+4+2+8+5=27

The only time this changes is with 123 (any significance of the ascending order?) 9*(1/123) = .07317..., 7+3+1+7=18. The result still ends up at 9, but it's a bit interesting that it doesn't simplify to 27 first.

Am I going anywhere with this or is it just a dead end?

  • From: Denver
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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

Scroll To Nine


http://www.crystalinks.com/numerology3.html


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http://www.geocities.com/~harveyh/Image_Sqr/REC_9.gif




http://www.braggtopia.com/jpg/revolution9.jpg

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  • From: England
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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

John Lennon No 9 dream lyrics

So long ago.
Was it in a dream?
Was it just a dream?
I know, yes I know.
It seemed so very real,
seemed so real to me.
Took a walk down the street.
Through the heat whispered trees.
I thought I could hear.
Hear.
Hear.
Hear.
Somebody call out my name (John)
as it started to rain.
Two spirits dancing so strange...
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Dream, dream away.
Magic in the air.
Was magic in the air?
I believe, yes I believe.
More I cannot say.
What more can I say?
On a river of sound.
Through the mirror go round, round.
I thought I could feel.
Feel.
Feel.
Feel.
Music touching my soul.
Something warm, sudden cold.
The spirit dance was unfolding...
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse
Ah! Bowakawa, pousse pousse

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.
  • Registered: 2006-08-05

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

there's a magic square where all vertical column and horizontal row add up to 9. Let me find it on te web. I reconstructed it by myself when I was in high school, but then I lost it.

  • Registered: 2006-08-05

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square
sorry it doesn't add up to 9 but to 15.

  • From: England
  • Registered: 2005-04-20

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3469/moon.gif

The magic square of the moon which has a constant of 369 and all adds up to 3321, another 9 number.

The magic square of the sun which has a 111 constant and all adds up to 666
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3469/sun.gif

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/ … mples.html

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.
  • Registered: 2006-08-05

Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

Av you seen the satanic square? its not the 666 one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_square

diabolic square:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabolic_square

then there are magic cubes, magic hypercube, then you lost me! big_smile

  • From: Vicenza, Italy
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Re: Brought to you buy the number 9...

Here are the "knowledge lectures" of the golden dawn esoteric society; containing some stuff on their use of pythagorean/qabalistic number philosophy and magic amongst other things.

GoldenDawn Knowledge Lectures (abridged):

http://www.osogd.org/library/study/curriculum.html

Magic Squares of the planets in this lesson:

http://www.osogd.org/library/study/knowledge/KNL4.html

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