Topic: how real are chakras ?

Please help me figure this out. I am challenging what i can feel anduse to a degree, but have no firm earth reference point other than the imaginary.

We all feel our toes, well most of humanity can, so we believe our toes as real, though nothing really is.

Some of us can feel our chakras, so are they only real to us and not to others ?

How big and small can chakras grow ?

If people can OBE and see with the third eye, has anybody ever re4ad about an accurate description of what chakras looks like and their physical association to  the surrounding tissues and dna ?
I mean, not the ki gong 5 elements stuff or inner personal meditations or the New Age watered down versions, but something objectively identified to detail universally. I just wonder if we are making it all up. e.g. we cannot survive without vitamins, yet certain south American tribes do very well on cereals of low vitamin content alone..

I am curious, challenging perhaps. I just cannot see any data, save artists and lotus patterns in temple books. Is there any real definative study on our most valued organs ?

2 (edited by laozu 2006-09-02 10:05:47)

Re: how real are chakras ?

Ganel wrote:

Some of us can feel our chakras, so are they only real to us and not to others ?

Some of us can wiggle our ears too, and when we do, it is objectively real. Difference from ear-wiggling and chakra-feeling is that the former can be demonstrated to anyone who can see. Similarity between the two is that one who can't, can often learn by patient trying. The more one practices, the more convincing the results.

Ganel wrote:

I wonder if we are making it all up. e.g. we cannot survive without vitamins, yet certain south American tribes do very well on cereals of low vitamin content alone..

Some people do make a lot up. The phenomenon is similar to grade inflation in the US school system. The trick is neither to deny what you experience and see, nor to inflate it beyond what it really is. Use observation instead of imagination.

3 (edited by Ganel 2006-09-02 10:19:15)

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Does it not take the imagination to see the unseen ?
But I get your point, but as far as i am concerned, this lady, Ms badu explains my delema about them chakra points and their apparent elusive qualities.

http://myspace-715.vo.llnwd.net/00472/51/72/472172715_l.jpg

Wow, she certainly cooks my blood with her sounds, and i usually fall asleep to soul musak.

http://www.myspace.com/erykahbadu

Which reminds me, the first time I heard her music was the day I saw two long snakes making love beside a supposed 720 year old tree in southern India. They danced by the river bed for an hour intertwining like that universal hermetic medical image of two snakes and a staff. That very nightlightning struck the tree down that from a freak hurricane and the villiagers had free sweet smelling firewood for 2 whole months.. Talk about getting serious about music. But actually, her music and certain reggae dub music, tune my chakras a treat. Anyway, back on topic.

Has anybody gained a better more scientific image of what chakras look like in the astral than the above image ?

Has anybody ever seen them ?
Or are they really a myth to be avoided ?

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Ganel wrote:

Does it not take the imagination to see the unseen ?

It does not take imagination to see more than the casual observer sees.

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When it comes to psychic development (i.e. seeing things that aren't distinguishable through the "normal" senses of sight, hearing, taste, etc.,) people tend to be wired differently.

For some, they develop their psychic sight or "inner" sight really easily after they take up spiritual work.  Others become clairaudient, developing extrasensory hearing. Others find that they are clairsentient, knowing without knowing HOW they know, downloading ideas almost holographically. Others develop knowing through the emotional body, developing highly refined psychic empathy (the ability to read emotions, intent, etc., often at huge distances from the subject.)

But for a lot of people who tend to spin around a lot in the mental body, demanding "proof" that the intellect will perceive, sometimes it's best to explore things from a kinesthetic sense. Bypass the annoying voice of the intellect and get into your body, honor it's natural wisdom. It's the best teacher we have sometimes.

Kinesthetically wired people tend to perceive the "unseen" best through movement and touch. And kinesthetic energy awareness is one that just about everybody can easily develop. It's not as "hard" to achieve as some of the other types of psychic perception.

Pranic healing is one of many pathways that teaches people how to scan the edges of the auric field, and the size and shape of the chakras, using a very simple thing - your hands.

Anybody can learn how to do this. 

It's a little easier initially to do this on a partner.  Stand in front of a partner and gently move your hands through his or her energy field, as close as six inches from the body to as far away as ten feet outside the edge of their body.

You will feel subtle variations in your fingertips and hands as you move them through your partner's aura. Silently take note of the variations that you feel.

Thick, goopy bunches of energy are often energy blocks or psychic debris that the person has accumulated - and you can learn how to energize these spots gently with healing colors to expel these blockages. Electric violet is a color that is especially good for blasting out these blockages.  After doing this, you will notice that that area of the person's auric field FEELS SMOOTHER to your physical touch.  These sensations are subtle but absolutely "objectively" real....something that even a skeptic or someone who doesn't think they're an energy sensitive will perceive.

You can also scan the size of the chakras. The chakras sit like circular disks down both the front and the back of a person.  For instance, use your fingers and hands to gentle probe around the edges of this "imaginary" disk that sits over your partner's heart area.  Chakras change size all the time, sometimes when they are in "small" mode they are only about six inches across. Someone who is giving a speech or a sermon and is filled with genuine love and extending that love outwards to a big audience can temporarily widen their heart chakra to several feet or more in diameter.  Someone who is emotionally closed off and has difficulty expressing love will generally have a "tight" feeling heart chakra that is about six to eight inches in width.  Sometimes, though, it will be be a lot smaller, especially if the person has been abused and is extremely shut down.

You can learn to "feel" the outer edges of all of the chakras on yourself, too. But sometimes it's easier to learn how to do this on a partner.

So.....if your brain is getting in the way of allowing you to perceive things directly, sometimes it's better to get into the body.....start using the kinesthetic sense....and allow your fingers and hands room to explore the energy field on your own.

You're gonna feel stuff.  And those feelings, those perceptions, subtle though they may be, are the baby steps that healers must take as they learn about the energy body. They are very important and legitimate steps because you can't learn to work effectively with the energy field until you have the proof that you need to believe that it is real. You have to find ways to get that proof for yourself. The kinesthetic sense is useful as a tool for providing this "proof," because it's hard to argue with the sense of touch and what your hands and fingers are telling you.

In the beginning, these sensations may seem extremely subtle, but over time, as you develop your kinesthetic sense to a more spiritual or psychic degree, these variations within the energy field get a lot clearer, more dramatic, and easier to discern.

So, for instance, if you want to decord someone from another person whose energy has become toxic, you'll be able to FEEL an ACTUAL CORD linking from that person's chakras to that other person. And your hands will know exactly where to CUT and which points you need to "slice" in order to disconnect that cord.

This stuff IS real. But a lot of people haven't slowed down, gotten QUIET, and stilled their senses enough to notice the subtle ripples in the water.  You can't do it from a place of busyness, or from a place of ego where you are expecting an outcome.  Psychic development doesn't work that way. It proceeds gently, at your own ideal pace, so as not to overwhelm you or flood you with too many sensations at once.

Be patient, and all you need to learn will reveal itself in the right time.   There's no rush!  And you can't receive this proof from somebody or something outside of yourself, because you won't find it valid to your experience. The solution is to keep seeking different types of experiences and become an adventurer in energy, trying different things.

The stuff I mention above might be one place to start exploring.

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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LM great post. Another thing I picked up from someone was to just bring your hands up in front of you facing palm to palm and fingers extended. And have them about a foot apart, slowly bring them together and compress the space, and then move your hands forward and back to offset their alignment and play with the distance between your hands. There's a magnetic quality and you can feel and sense the energy field as you move your hands around. That's roughly my intro to the topic, where I really stopped and took notice, "whoa! there really is something there.". It doesn't prove chakras, but it's a really easy place to start that anyone can do...

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12 years ago I studied distant healing with some monks and can feel even the small chakras in the fingers these days. They never taught me about the chakras though.

When it comes to believing them as real, I would challenge their validity. Some schools show more chakras than others, some say they are like flowers, others say spinning wheels. All different. I have yet to see a detailed version of the chakras. It all seems subjective. I follwed the western spinning wheel varition and that is all i have today, spinning energies. But could my chakras feel different if i was taught that the vortex goes in and out of the body which is actually also does. Would my chakras develope on my understanding of whatever school of thought alone ?

How one person's ealm is different to another's is irrelevant until one needs knowledge of the full spectrum of application, currently basic when it comes to chakras. Why basic ?

One person says the auric shell can be stengthened using the solar plexus, another says the solar plexus is a useful weapon for psi balls. another describes it as a feeling center to tell the intent of strangers, etc etc.

I am studying the lightbody for 20 years now and am stuck. There is supposed to be a transformation period where the physical becomes light, bone becomes light as well as flesh, thus the human body is really a guise, not real, only imagined. I assume the chakras are imagined also with the lack of detailed analysis avaliable today. If we imagined enough, I dear say we could grow horns or feathers on our back. So how real are chakras if we have no defined drawings, no full spectrum of their operation and use and differing personal values to ascociate with to them. I simply cannot grasp their full function because there is no defined map of such, unless  go back to the temple s I suppose. And experiment with my higher self. I know certain truths are only learned alone, yet we have been familiar with thesesecret ancient teachings since the 1960's and they are still vague. Perhaps it is true that those who revealed such knowledge from the east, kept the deper knowledge to prevent chaos when millions learn to levitate and such before the times of awakening, happening now.

It is not that I do not believe. It is that  chakra science is limited enough for me to doubt what knowledge I do have, whether I see my aura circling, or my third eye works or whatever. Do you get my drift now ?

I think i will go to amazon and chak their books. Maybe, just maybe.

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As the earth's energy grid increases in power, we all will reach a point where we can think a person to heal at any distance. the potential is beyond me. Hence this thread. to learn of the boundaries that I am blind to.

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OK Amazon, one may do well to check the customer reviews. I see these books as vague but useful for beginners. Beginners luck huh ? But it really proves my point, though these are of the NEW Age variety.

http://amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/002-23 … ds=chakras


In other words, ignoring the money making ploy, nobody has reached supremem detail about the very real chakras where everyone has reached detail on the power of say imagination/visualisation, and how to use it, though I suspect there is perhaps more to learn than currently availbe.

10 (edited by Blue 2006-09-03 13:58:28)

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I loved Lipstick Mystics explanation.

I think, at this point in our evolution, it IS a feeling experience. I know  that I do my chakra exercises every day, but on some days, the power actually shocks me, I straighten my spine involuntarily to the surge of energy (usually on the earth based influx), and when that state occurs, the downward (heavenly flow) is like a huge white energy blast, not stopping at individual chakras, like the earth energy, just blasting through my body, and into the earth.

But under normal circumstances, I do feel each chakra point as it is energised (and there always seems to be one between the sacral and solar centres. I never dwell on it but energy builds there. Don't ask me what thats about.) Each point makes you aware of the incoming energy focussed energy in a single centre of your body.

I really, REALLY, REALLY want to SEE the chakra energy fields in people. I intend it so much, I must admit I am slightly dispappointed that I am not seeing it yet.

But I put that down to the fact that I am still under training, and I need to work on myself first, and patience is the essence. I KNOW it will happen.

I know the chakras exist, I dont need to do some of the tests suggested here, I can already feel the energy points, I just need to undertstand how to USE that energy. I am using it through sending energy light/love waves out to the world, but I recently experienced Group Joy (pure joy) during a family gathering with a ceilidh dance as the final experience. The liberating and totally exhilarating joy generated was almost visibally a glowing positive energy, and without even participating, I was drawing on this great source of positive energy.

Made me wonder if I was (inadvertently) being an energy vampire. smile

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Blue wrote:

But under normal circumstances, I do feel each chakra point as it is energised (and there always seems to be one between the sacral and solar centres. I never dwell on it but energy builds there. Don't ask me what thats about.)

I have been wondering for some time what this is.  When I relax I can feel it begin to throb, untangle and flex like a tentacle (I seem to recall Don Juan mentioning something like this to Carlos).  I also feel a bunch of energy there.  It feels very nice to let it completely untangle and the pulsating sensation is neat.

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I think I know what it is - its a major energy storage centre.

It is explained in the marvellous (free) ebook that is available here..

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=6

The pdf download link is on the right hand side. I would strongly recommend anyone who wants to know more about energy/chakras  should grab this book.

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there is knowledge somewhere on the kundalini tracks, supposedly we have the main one through the spine and two smaller on either side going up....So how do the chakras interact with them /

Very nice... basic but nice. Psipog.net give the most answers covering most areas of the energetic body. Nobody on the net covers the link between the emotional and energetic bodies and the chakras or time travel via the chakras and other apparent myths. nice that the pdf's have incorperated various asian techniques but it is still very basic....after that stage, one need only have with them, knowledge of what else is really possible with chakras.....Maybe the emotional body has only just been assimulated by the west, since it's introduction some 20 years ago.... escuse my sarcasm. I suppose I have no chance on the net....to grow further...I did say i was testing the theory of the chakra existence...feeling them is not proof enough.

By the way, arms outwards to the sides like a T shape with the body standing, spin 99 times anticlockwaise, then stop suddenly with palms pressed tightly together in a prayer position over the heart chakra..., this accelerates the spinning of the chakras. the amount of energy capacity the body has and mutation of the dna to 12 strands.....that is unless you are you like me, suffering from partial blockacge of all chakras from birth due to a past life fatality.  Using the above exercise daily, you may eventually walk through dimensions and discover the higher purposes of the chakras the internet fails to admit...I mean, multidimensional beings. yet another condition books are lacking with detailed explanation. is it the west, watering down purpose, or is it the matrix, supporting half truths and stories leading the majority no very far at all.... i have no opinion really, just bored with low quality definitions of space matter and the microcosm within us... i simply cannot believe anythng...though miracles occur daily. And my chakras spin, but only with pain.