Topic: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Agree or disagree: All abductions are "asked for" by the abductee.

I am respectfully requesting that NR members please, please, please participate in this poll. A simple "agree" or "disagree" response is all I am asking for, only just a moment of your time. If anyone here has not been familiarized with the debate concerning this subject matter I refer you to this thread--

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=936

While I am going to request that we refrain from very long explanations as to why we feel the way we do about it (I think most of the debatable subject matter has been covered on the cited thread) I am going to shortly respond to my own query this way--

How does a youngest of child have the conscious wherewithal to request abduction? How does an adult who prays and intends, with all their heart and knowledge base, to never be abducted again still get "hauled out"?

Indeed, it is these two questions that prompt me to disagree.

...and yes, I do know of the school of thought that "soul contracts" may be made before incarnation to participate in abductions.

My disagreement is not an abnegation of responsibility, nor an invitation to a pity party, but rather a statement that we are, at least some of us are, abducted against our will as it exists at all levels. Why? Because we cannot be allowed to become all that we have the potential to become..."full-bodied" system busters.

I'll end my post by sharing a statement I saw on a T-shirt this past weekend at the Conspiracy Conference I attended in CA...I feel it pretty much sums up my last statement--

"I think, therefore I'm dangerous."

T-shirt produced by http://www.whatreallyisthematrix.com/home.html

And in case anyone is wondering why I'm posting this--yeah, I've had probelms with abduction attempts (plural) this past week. The day after the first attempt (at the conference) I was asked if I thought maybe I had agreed to the attempted/abduction. I was surprised by the question...I guess because I assumed the person who asked would know me better than that...even if their knowing me was only through my posting on NR. (Not a hard feeling one for the person who asked. It was an honest question surely not asked to befuddle me as much as it did)

This is the reason why I've posed this poll. I'm curious as to how many of us believe that ALL abduction scenarios are because we've "allowed" them.

yikes BTW--You'll not catch me going to another Conspiracy Conference again. It appears as though just being there seemed to be "asking for it." As best as I know I had not experienced an abduction attempt for quite some time now.

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Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Yeah, if you're abduced it's because, at a level, you've agreed with it.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Disagree. Remember the story of the Three Little Pigs.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Disagree, as well.

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." ~ Mark Twain

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

I certainly didn't ask for it.

6 (edited by morningsun76 2006-06-03 01:50:27)

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Auendove wrote:

Agree or disagree: All abductions are "asked for" by the abductee.

Disagree.

Auendove wrote:

The day after the first attempt (at the conference) I was asked if I thought maybe I had agreed to the attempted/abduction. I was surprised by the question...

A lot of people, who otherwise might not have suffered abductions, ended up in exactly that situation because they DID invite the aliens into their lives.    If you are having experiences, that doesn't mean you invited them.  But if you did invite them, then uh-oh, better un-invite them!

Auendove wrote:

You'll not catch me going to another Conspiracy Conference again. It appears as though just being there seemed to be "asking for it." As best as I know I had not experienced an abduction attempt for quite some time now.

That's an interesting point.  I was at the conference and had no trouble -- neither did most others, I'd imagine.  But you did -- I suggest we explore all possible reasons why.    I can think of a few possibilities other than your having invited them in.   Maybe you are more vulnerable to abduction on some unseen level, and showing up at the convention put you in a compromised position somehow ... perhaps there was in fact bad energy or some kind of vortex there, due to the nature of the event and the fact that lots of people were there.     I suspect, though, that perhaps this event was more likely due to the fact that you were in very close physical proximity to a person who has a long history of UFO activity, and has been having ongoing experiences right up to the present time period.  So, the mere fact that you were hanging with this person may have been all that was necessary to put you in harm's way as well.   If I had to put money on it, I'd say that's the answer.   Meaning it was not your fault, not their fault, and not an invitation.  Just unfortunate circumstances for all involved.

I know a friend of mine who normally does NOT have negative UFO related experiences had a couple of strange encounters a couple of weeks ago.   Twice in the same week, he awoke at around 3AM to see bright flashes of light in his bedroom.  This was highly unusual for him and the details of the occurences are classic signs of negative UFO-related activity.    After these happened, he started to try to figure out what might have changed about his circumstances that could bring about this interference.   He realized he had been given some kind of ring or amulet or something (I forget exactly what it was) as a gift by some local people involved in the occult.  He promptly got rid of the gift.  So far the events have not recurred, so that may in fact have been the cause.

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Disagree from "3D personality" level.

HigherSelf/Spirit level - hmmm a muddy area. Open to manipulation from our individual point of view. One can easily be convinced with sayings like "look this is for your own good/education, your Higher self wants it this way". It may or maynot be this way, but certainly I disagree from where I look now.

Change we must, to live again
- Jon Anderson

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Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Disagree , 

Like Neo I don't believe in fate.

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Depends on the level you are asking the question on. But the way you lay it out, then no. Disagree

OFcourse on the highest levels we all ask for all that happens but that is irrelevant as if we ask for abduction we dont ask to be abducted but for the chance to resist the experience of being abducted. Anyway, Disagree

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Ive never been abducted, I would never agree to it either.  Why are some people prone to it and others not?

In man's analysis and understanding of himself, it is as well to know from whence he came as whither he is going.   Edgar Cayce

Beliefs are tools for social conditioning, rather than expressions of inner realization or inner truth.   unknown
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Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Thank you for your input, morningsun76 wink .

treehugger wrote:

Why are some people prone to it and others not?

If that isn't a gazillion dollar question I don't know what is. What makes it such a "pricey" question is that there's no real concrete way to answer the question.

In the case of MILAB kwap the answer is much clearer, even easy. It's because they're the offspring of military personel. With alien/hyperdimensionals abductions it's a gray area...:/ no pun intended...it's just not as easy to discern why one does, and another doesn't, but I'd sure like to know as I'm sure would others.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Disagree.

But I do believe we "allow" certain things relative to the choices we make. We can get into a theosophical discussion here, but many people want to "have their cake and eat it too". There is a lot to be said for morality, on any level.

I concur with Montalk. I don't want to put him in the same boat as I, but I like his analogy.

Many people are put off when you discuss morality. They attempt to excuse their behavior (oh, they're all hypocrites [technically, in this realm we are all hypocrites] anyway...), conveniently forget what they've done, or try to set their own moral standards. You can tell the ones who have a problem with this concept . . . they get really effrontery. If you can not discuss something with a sense of peace, then you have hidden issues with which you need to deal.

Your actions/choices determine your experiences.

There are rules in this universe, whether you choose to recognize them or not.  Ignorance is no excuse. I've seen this proven many times over.

When you allow immoral things within your energy field, you effect a negative flow. I know someone personally who heard a "joke" several years ago, but didn't quite get it. He laughed just because the others were laughing, but a negative entity attached to him as a result of his "unknowing response", and it took him years to erradicate it.

Why did this entity attach to him and not the others? My theory is that there are people who are more sensitive than others, and some who the higher beings consider as ones who "know better". They've been exposed to the truth, and have yet to revere it. A flippant attitude toward spirituality will get you into a lot of trouble. Like was previously stated, ignorance is no excuse. This universe operates on its rules, not our perceived ones.

Magis Amica Veritas

I would rather control myself, than someone else.

en courage (heart)
in spire (spirit)
en thuse (theos)

13 (edited by manyeagles 2006-06-02 19:01:46)

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

This brings to mind of a poem I worte many years ago when I was quite young (age 21).

When the joker gets wild, watch out,
          for the change of perspectives
                   may startle you...

That is to say, given this arena of abductions, milabs, and whatever seemingly fits into this arena; one is encumbered with a WHOLE LOTTA  POO-POO   sad  sad  sad 

One may intend themselves- untill QUITE blue in the face to NOT be in a milab, or otherwise abduction scenerio  roll  and STILL be fk'd with.......  Have communicated with many individuals with this particular scenerio, and the general consesus is that they- DO  NOT THIS WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.......Period...  They are very upset, drained, suffer from numerious physical maladies; not to mention all the other "crappola" enumerated in all the posts on this forum. 

Bottom line,  I feel there is  a "wild" card factor occuring, and as a TEAM on the NR forum we must endeavor to support and help others of like kind- so to speak-REGARDLESS of any ego  perceived issues we may have. It can be so comfoortable to fall into a "black-n-white" mode of mind set (we're made that way-seems to be.....)  We are a wee bunch on this earth, seems such a small general population could not only come up with ideas help to support each and every one of us, but figure out new ways to help in this scenerio.   wink

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

14 (edited by z3n3rg 2006-06-02 22:00:13)

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Personally, I agree.  But I can not say that for another.  If someone disagrees then I agree with them disagreeing about them personally.  A free-will universe would allow for free-will manipulation at any level.  If we speak of the mental level then the free-will of another can be infringed upon through deceptive tactics.

I do think/feel that I requested a certain amount of these experiences.  I don't have lingering adverse thoughts/feelings associated with my personal proof of these senarios.  The benefits may outweight the disadvantages in my personal situations.  The shared experiences between "us and them" may bring balance to the forces.

In addition, I'm certain that the abductions are over for me and the monitoring is not currently against my conscious free-will.

Re: Poll: Are all abductions "asked for"?

Auendove wrote:

Agree or disagree: All abductions are "asked for" by the abductee.

Disagree.

Auendove wrote:

...and yes, I do know of the school of thought that "soul contracts" may be made before incarnation to participate in abductions.

Carlos Castaneda wrote:

The sorcerers' revolution is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to be eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness. My parents just brought me into this world to be food, like themselves, and that's the end of the story.

Willpower doesn't work; faith doesn't work; love doesn't work. You have to follow the clues and connect the dots to grow your awareness into a shield.

My experience has been that "free will" is something that has to be achieved, like sanity.

We are all Kosh.