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Murphy, I've noticed, too how some individuals tend to take on certain "roles" online. Perhaps for some reason an individual needs this for a time. Let them have it, if they want it so! It's no reflection on you. Don't let them "get your goat." You can even like them while seeing that they are offering unwanted comment and advice, because they are showing they are human, or at least flawed, which is a good thing! Perfection is as deadly dull as incessant complaining. Neither gets one anywhere. You probably comprehend the "jargon" better than you think you do.
I myself wait till I am in the "mode" for each of the various subjects so that my mind doesn't get overwhelmed. One thing I appreciate about you is that you aren't afraid to come out and say that something doesn't make sense to you, and I think your recent entry and link show that you have thought some of these things through.
Now BREATH and realize that no one and everyone BELONGS. I could be way off on all this, as you said one can never assume they really know where another is coming from, whether online or off, so please realize I am just responding spontaneously and instinctually. What's your take on this?

Lyra said:
"I just wish this board would pick up and become more energetic, with more lively positive interaction and productive information exchange.     It has the potential to be this.......providing mopey energy feeding victim posts don't drag it into the mud."

If you look at this from a different perspective one could say that the board is the victim of "bad people" when to my perspective, this board is what it is.  Very cliche of course but you or me or Tom or anyone else can't FORCE people to communicate and share information.  People must feel comfortable and frankly SAFE to communicate without being jumped on.

Moreoever, I personally didn't find Murphy's post all that objectionable.  So what if he whines?  I can either decide to respond to him or not, get involved with his whine or not.  Or just go to the next post.

Now...this is becoming a slam bam type of fight which frankly is what RUINS a board.  Not someone who says he isn't doing well in life. 

What is true for me is that if I uplift myself, then and ONLY then I can uplift others.

I've found Lyra, that you have incredible willingness to share your insights, information and ideas.
You have a tremendous amount of enthusiam it seems and a desire for things to flow and get better.  What I feel, though, (perhaps because,as I've said, I see myself in you quite abit) is that in your enthusiasm and passion you forget about empathy, forebearance and care.

Not everyone has the same energy level, awakeness or understanding.  This does not make them less worthy than anyone else, just different.

I'm not saying "love and light" is the only way; however, I wonder how snapping at someone has ever produced much honest communication.

Just my unsolicited 2 cents, of course.
Christine B

I disagree.   First off, I never told murphy that she (he?) "HAD" to change anything.   I don't ever tell / command people what to do.  I don't do it in real life, let alone on a messageboard.   Second ---   Being that murphy repeatedly asked (demanded, actually) for feedback and answers, it was / is in my place to give it.  And actually, everybody here else was free to give feedback too, but nobody did.   (Well actually, I take that back -- I did see that Cameron gave some feedback to murph over on another thread, but he and I have been the only ones.)      Sooooooo........since murphy asked for it, murphy obviously DOES need the reminder.   

I think by NOT saying what is obvious and what needs to be said we're all doing more harm than good.    Too often, people keep quiet for fear of "rocking the boat", "making waves", or becoming "unpopular".  Also, many out there are "afraid of conflict."   Many out there want to just "get along" and blend in, and so turn the other way.   That doesn't help anything.  Tiptoeing around out of fear of "hurting somebody's feelings" does no good.   And once again  -- I don't go around in life, or on messageboards, giving blunt, truthful feedback and opinions out of nowhere without being asked.   Murphy asked.   My feedback happens to be more to the point and blunt than others, but that's who I am.  I learned a long time ago that tiptoeing around doesn't solve anything.    I wish more people were like this.  And maybe we won't be able to help murphy, maybe it's too late, but at least it'll help others who read it and recognize their own self defeating mindset and pessimistic, victimization tendancies. 

I'm sure I come across as the "board enforcer" but I don't mean to.  And again, I wouldn't have offered my "feedback" had murphy not asked.

You wish? Well, good thing you're a mini-blackhole just like the rest of us.

I agree with your points lyra, but because one of my initiatives like yours is to establish a medium where conversations here can lead to networked solutions.

Self-defeating mindsets allow the existence of self-promoting mindsets. If one didn't exist, the other would not.

The black-hole exists. The sun exists. They are supposedly both equally as apparent. One sucks everything to non-existence, the other promotes life by spiraling outwards energy. Both are equally as important. Lyra, I live by the code that existence is equivalent to a conduit. In fact, conduits upon conduits which create structure upon our universe, is very important even in human relations. Conduit means ALL points are of equal importance. Pessimism to YOU may be less important than being opportunistic, as it is to me, but it is incorrect and ultimately subjective for you to declare YOUR expectations upon life around you. What if earth was worse off than it was now? 10 times more war and 100 times more rape and disgusting actions like that, and it would still be AS important as valuable in the Universe as compared to the earth of NOW. It's all perspective and only a fool judges upon his or her perspective. We can observe and network though.

However, where the hell do you think you are, lyra? I mean, victims, vampires and the like will always be one-half of your audience, customers, friends, family, etc etc. If you don't believe in that or the symbolism that imposes on everyone (if we like or not), then you'd be living in a idealistic utopia right now. What it ultimately comes down to right now is the word noise. At the casschat, they have Noise-Ratio which apparently enough was used to shut me up, hehe, so they have their own strategies to keep the group-intent under guard and focus. If we did that here, it would be antagonistic and not as purposeful due to the open-minded topics we're juggling.

All I'm saying lyra is that we just have to do the best we can. The water isn't filtered. We have to accept the little bits of poop that squeeze out.

As the C's warned, paranoia will destroy ya. The above is filled with assumptions, contradictions, rationalization, and the projection of these upon others.

This is either a flat out contradiction with the first quote, or else Murphy still doesn't understand the difference between those who became victims without having a victim mindset, and those who stayed victims because of their victim mindset. Murphy claims to belong to the former category, citing her victimization as analagous to death-by-bin-Laden.

There's a difference between dying in a bomb attack and being continuously victimized around the clock. The latter requires consistent invitation of attack by having a victim mentality. The cycle starts and stops with the person in question.

So those who have a victim mentality are victimized continuously and vice versa. What Murphy's talking about experiencing is continuous victimization. The "Bin Laden" thing is a dramatic trick that doesn't even fit the context of Murphy's situation, a logical fallacy typical of rationalization.

To Murphy I can only say this:

Everyone has a right to express their honest and sincere opinions. Whether you are emotionally harmed by another's opinion is up to you - it is your choice and responsibility, not theirs. Why? Because if it were solely everyone else's responsibility, then we'd all have to shut up to avoid offending the most sensitive person around. If your buttons are being pushed, how about deactivating them instead of cutting off people's fingers? Calling yourself a victim means placing the blame entirely upon others, which would violate people's right to express their opinions. Therefore, it's more logical to have people say what they need to say, and let it be up to the receiver to accept or reject the emotional impact of what is said.

And as for victimization by entities, it is absolute fact that in cases of continuous attacks, hyperdimensional entities attack the weakest links through their weakest chinks. If you find yourself in that hole, you won't get out of it by defending your position.

I recommend letting go of this friction, or else taking it offlist. The situation is doing no one any good.

Hi Thook,

Make or find a picture that is 60 by 60 pixels, then go to "Profile" and you will see a spot to upload this picture as your avatar. It has to be under 10kB in size. The file can be either jpg or gif format.

You can search for them online by typing in "avatars" - but so far I haven't found a good website with many different avatars to choose from, which is why I just made one myself.

Yes Thook, I did silently thank you for lightening up the mood and saving the day

Here's my part to do the same: