1 (edited by Auendove 2004-04-26 04:26:38)

Topic: John Lear

This link was just brought to my attention yesterday, it's an interview of John Lear by Art Bell from 11/9/2003--

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/11/02.html


The interview is a number of months old so maybe many of you have already seen this and have even discussed it on the old board?  After I investigated him a little I found he's been singing like a songbird since the late 80's about all kinds of wicked goings ons.

I'm not really finding any new information here as I was exposed to most of it through the early Cassiopaeans sessions in the mid '90's, but I would very much like to know any impressions of this man that you all may have.  I think and feel like there's something "messed up" in what I read, beyond the obvious disturbing nature of the subject matter.

Is he credible, as some I read seem to think he is, or is what he's disclosing convoluted by his personality, as others have noted. I've paraphrased this, but it well represents what the person wrote--one of his detractors noted that when Lear told a story, by the tenth time he told that story it was ten times more provocative than it was the first time.  He certainly seems to be very sensational as a disseminator of alien agenda info, and as well in his personal life.

I don't know about any of you, but I pretty much felt like I had been slimed by the time I finished reading this.


--V

cameron--there's a little some-something in this interview about Venus, though not pointedly about the 2004/2012 Venus Transit.

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Re: John Lear

Very interesting, indeed.   I sense disinformation inserted throughout the story he pitches.   For starters, it's rehashing the same old same old story about the "deal with the Greys gone awry", abductions in exchange for technology, etc. etc.   I don't think he's the first to pitch this;  I recall reading the same exact story either in Nexus magazine, the Universal Seduction books, or both. 

At any rate, it's important I believe to invest some time researching this story being that it's not the first time we're being presented with it.   In addition, any time any supposed secret shadow government whistle-blower comes forward, we should question why it's happening.   Why are they allowed to say such things without being knocked off?   Where is the disinformation?  What would / could be gained from the disinformation?  Where's the agenda here?  Also, something else I noticed about these supposed secret shadow government whistle-blowers is that they all talk in a very similar fashion.   Very smooth, and fast.   It's like they have a scripted presentation that they want to sell you, and they pitch it like a salesperson.  They don't stumble over words, they don't have long pauses, there's never any uncertainty.   They know the script off the top of their heads, all names, dates, places, happenings, boom boom boom boom.   It's smooth, and fast, very self assured and authoritative.  Beware that approach.

I want to sniff out the agenda going on here, so I'm going to spend some time combing through this today.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: John Lear

My take on it is similar to both of yours. He seems like a rehearsed plant.

Re: John Lear

Also......another thing I forgot to mention was that I had a major problem with Lear claiming that pretty much all war and strife as we know it in the second half of the 20th century and into the present, ALL of it, centers around trying to concoct distractions against the ever growing UFO and alien problem in our world.  I mean, that's ludicrous.   According to him, Vietnam, the Cold War, all of it, was concocted to distract us so we wouldn't notice or question the supposed growing alien problem! 

What I believe is that wars and strife are ultimately hyperdimensional in origin, to provide "food" for those higher beings who feed on us.   Wars result from the "little green men" behind the UFO / abduction phenomenon......but they're not concocted to distract us from that.

See the disinformation twist?   I've learned....disinformation usually contains right there within it the truth -- it's just literally twisted around and presented backwards.  The who's remain the same....it's just the what's and why's that get mixed and matched around.    Call it the disinformation scrambling formula.  smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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5 (edited by seeker 2004-04-26 18:21:23)

Re: John Lear

lyra, good points. I found a couple articles from Lear via Google, one from 1987 and one from 1990. They can both be found here at Google's cache of a page that is now gone. There are blatant contradictions between this and the Art Bell piece. In the 1987 article he implies that the Cold War was not concocted artificially and that the USA and Russia really were enemies, among other things.

6 (edited by lyra 2004-04-27 11:05:30)

Re: John Lear

Thanks Seeker for finding those old articles.  Right now I have that article open in a separate window, and as I read through it, I'm going to jot down some of my thoughts / opinions here in case anybody is interested:   

-  Article starts out with a huge paragraph detailing all of John Lear's experience, expertise, accomplishments and praise.   This appears at the beginning of the article, interestingly enough, rather than at the end as is the case with most articles.  This serves to influence your opinion of him BEFORE you read the material, and to bias you towards thinking that he's an authority on the matter, due to all his expertise and credentials. 

-  "In its effort to protect democracy, our government sold us to the aliens."   
They sold us to "protect democracy" ?   Sounds dubious to me.  I think they sold us for any reason but that.

- "In 1947 President Truman established a group of the 12 top military and scientific personnel of their time . They were known as MJ-12."   
Hmm.   William Cooper, author of "Behold a Pale Horse", as well as Jim Keith have both said that M12 was a load of disinformation bunk.  It never existed.   I believe both of them, only because they are some of the only reliable sources I have come across in my conspiracy research.   And on a sidenote, Jim Keith and William Cooper are now both dead.   John Lear is not.

- "On April 25, 1964, the first official communication between these aliens and the U. S. Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. Three saucers landed at a pre-arranged area, and a meeting was held between the aliens and intelligence officers of the U. S. Government."   
Well, we'll never know, now, will we?   We'll never have proof for this meeting.

- "During the late 60's or early 70's, MJ-12 representing the U. S. Government...."    Sorry, try again.  !

- " The EBE's [during the meeting] assured MJ-12 that the abductions (usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of developing civilizations.
How can we be sure that this supposed meeting even took place when it states that it was done with M12, who as I believe, never existed?  That alone discredits it.

-  He then goes on to list what abductions would entail for the victims.   And in all fairness, it sounds about right.   It matches up with many people's personal stories.   So, probably no disinfo. there.

- "The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in some type of accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of an evolutionary genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves, they use an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tissue that they extract from humans and animals. (Note: cows and humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national disaster cow hemoglobin can be used by humans.)"

CLASSIC case of disinfo, right here!   Where the first half of the paragraph is the disinfo, and the second half most likely has truth.  The truth starts with "In order to sustain themselves...."   The bunk is before it.


Those are just the highlights.   I won't go through the entire article here, but this gives you an idea of what to be on the lookout for when reading this........or any material like this from a supposed "whistle blowers" out to "blow the lid off" what our government is up to.   I mean, you can just TELL when you're reading truth, from a sincere source, versus bunk.   Bunk is always smooth and scripted sounding, sounding all confident, peppy, cocky and aggressive.   Remember that.   The truth is rough around the edges.  Willam Cooper was rough around the edges.   Jim Keith was very subdued - almost depressed -  in his writing when talking about what was going on.   He didn't come at you like a hyper, cocky salesman pitching his script.  And as I mentioned, now both men are dead.   

Beware also like I said of the way in which disinformation is wrapped up right along with truth, all in the same paragraph.    Disinformation gets you nodding your head, yes yes yes, with truthful stuff, then slips in the bunk while you're still nodding, hoping you won't notice.    When faced with a paragraph that's throwing all these
"facts" at you of names, dates and happenings, pick apart every single item, rather than just absorbing / accepting the whole entire paragraph.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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"I get by with a little help from my (higher density) friends."
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Re: John Lear

Thanks for the analysis, Lyra. Disinformation takes a useful lead weight used for fishing and sells it as a lollipop.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

Re: John Lear

Ditto to Tom's thanks.

I wondered how this man lived with himself, and it occurred to me--probably very well with a fat bank account somewhere like the Cayman Islands to draw on... still alive.  Of course I don't know that for sure, but...

--V

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

lol

Re: John Lear

Okay, I have Lear on Bob Lazar's tape 'Secrets of the Black World/Excerpts from the Government Bible' VHS. Lear was in contact with Lazar during the time Lazar worked at S-4 reverse-engeneering advanced spacecraft that ran on a Total-annihilation reactor containing Element 115. Lazar explains that the reactor achieves a perfectly efficient reaction of an element unknown to mainstream science (Element 115) with another particle which immediately converts into Element 116. This newly formed element instantly decays releasing 'antimatter' which is harnessed to power the craft. Lazar also explains the origins of these extraterrestrials as being from Zeta Reticuli. He may have even coined 'Omacron Configuration' as one of the configs of the craft.

The video contains footage of alien bodies in tanks inside of a facility and a security guard who says he witnessed these as well as live extraterrestrials.

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