Topic: self-observation, finding the Real I

An elegant article, called "Man is in Prison":

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug03/at3.asp

Man is mechanical; he acts like a machine according to his programming. This programming is based on culture, family, society or religion. To realise this, is like giving a conscious shock to oneself so that our ignorance can be dropped. We are indifferent to the fact that we operate with less awareness. We live in a sophisticated instrument called body and mind and what we need is deep awareness. Being indifferent to this fact is like living in a prison.
A philosopher asked a Sufi saint, a cobbler to repair his shoe. 'I am closing my shop now sir,' replied the cobbler. The philosopher said, 'I have only one shoe on my foot'.

'You may please borrow my shoe for the other foot', said the cobbler.
'But I don't wear other's shoes', said the philosopher.
'If you can borrow someone’s ideas why not a shoe', asked the cobbler, a Sufi saint.

Learn to observe life deeply. If one observes oneself deeply one will find that one is not one 'I' but multiple 'I's. There is an 'I' that supports us and another 'I' that pulls us down. One should learn to dis-identify from the negative 'I' and invite the positive 'I'.

Can we observe a fact where we touch the outer world with our inner thoughts and attitudes?
If our thoughts and attitudes are negative, a negative system gets created. Then the negative system takes control of our lives. The negative system thus develops its own survival mechanism and we become slaves of that system. The art of wise living is to dismantle such a negative system from our lives.

For this to happen, one has to observe at oneself not once or twice, but many times over. This inner conscious but repetitive looking within at oneself should become a way of life. We have to learn the art of inner separation.
What do you mean by inner separation?

By not allowing inner thoughts and attitudes of negativity to eat our lives. These negative, ignorant, addictive, narrow, foolish "I's" eat our life forces similar to rats eating the crops. One should not give them authority to rule one's life. One should affirm that, 'this is not the I which I am'. Some 'I's in us are our friends and some our enemies. To recognise and disidentify with them is the inner separation.

If one identifies with negative thoughts and emotions coming from multiple 'I's and feel them as oneself, where will this lead to? It will lead to chaos and conflict. Any thought and emotion that passes through us is not ours. The traffic on the pavement does not belong to us… neither does the traffic of thoughts. Let us learn to select and reject. Then we will not find ourselves in prison. We know how to reject and select things in the outer world… but why can't we do this to the inner world also?

Don't allow moods that emerge from the negative 'I' to enter into your life. Allow wise influences to impact your life. Don't allow the influences of darkness to impact your life. Allow the influences of the sun to energise you. Learn to be in association with the conscious humanity and not the sleeping humanity. This will make you look at ordinary things in a new way. A new meaning will emerge. A new understanding will guide you and give you wings to fly in the sky of joy.

Be like a bee and not a fly. A bee goes from one flower to another flower, whereas a fly from a gutter to a rose garden and then back to the garbage. Good and bad is its abode.

I just thought this was concisely and beautifully written. It lays out in plain language the core of esoteric teachings pertaining to personal evolution. This article also distills what I've been driving at in my "Spiritual Principles" articles, which is that positivity combined with awareness is an awesome combination.

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that is a wonderful article. i like it because its simple, it doesnt have any abnormal terminology or references to anything. it is just a simple, to-the-point article that can really make its point to ANYONE.

Most people do not realize that they are programmed. This is one of the greatest tricks, IMHO, of the MCS or TPTB. To have people so caught up in obligations that they do NOT have time to sit and think about themselves and their day, their life, and their spirit.

The concept of multiple I's is also very interesting, and it is so very true. When i first read the line "Any thought and emotion that passes through us is not ours" i kind of rejected it thinking, "what??" but it is clearly explained afterwards what is meant; and it DOES make sense. Zillions of thoughts and emotions may pass through you at any given time, and realizing that some of the thoughts/emotions CONFLICT is the KEY to realizing that they aren't YOURS. or, it is the key to realizing that YOU SHOULD CHOOSE the positive ones, in order to create a positive existance.

It can't be said enough: We Create Our Own Existance !

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Right on, the first step in waking up is realizing you're asleep. There are ways for people to realize this, including being shocked by the side of reality they normally know nothing about. Say, visiting alternative news sites instead of the doctored mainstream ones. But I think after you realize that, okay, the world is backwards from what I previously assumed in my dreamstate, then should come the new phase of making yourself strong and aware.

Now, I've seen a few examples where this new phase never kicks in, where people think that since shocks got them started on the path, continuing shocks of that nature will carry them through the end. But as I wrote in one of my articles, an alarm clock serves its function to arouse you from sleep - but you'll only end up deaf if you keep pressing it to your ear all day long. Just because it woke you up in the morning doesn't mean it will continue to wake you up as the day goes on.

That's why I like the above article, because it says that in order to separate the inner REAL self from the various artificial selves grafted on by social conditioning, we should accept the nobler impulses and reject the worthless negative ones. Yeah, the truth is the truth - but how you respond to it emotionally is a choice. Anyone coming out of sleep or realizing they are asleep will tend to react negatively out of sheer reflex - like gasping when cold water is thrown on you. But once you've snapped out of the previous hypnotic state, then you are aware enough to choose how to respond to newfound truths.  I think if you continue to react negatively then this builds within you the seed of STS growth. And like you said, Zonabi, if you choose to respond positively to awareness, then it only makes sense this would form the seed of STO-oriented evolution. I don't think seeing the truth and keeping a positive mindset have to be mutually exclusive.

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Have any of you read the works of Samael Aun Weor?

From the Treatise of Revolutionary Psychology:

"The humanoid, in regards to his internal state, is a psychological multiplicity, a sum of “I’s“?. The learned ignoramuses of this tenebrous era pay homage to the “I“? they deify it; they place it on altars; they name it Alter Ego, Superior “I,“? Divine “I,“? etc. The “know-it-alls“? of this dark age in which we live do not want to realize that the
Superior “I“? or the Inferior “I“? are two sections of the same pluralized ego...

Indeed, the humanoid does not have a Permanent “I,“? but instead he has a multitude of different infra-human and absurd “I’s.“? The wretched intellectual animal mistakenly called a human being is similar to a house in disorder where instead of one lord, many servants exist who always want to command and to perform their own whims. The greatest error of cheap pseudo esotericism and pseudo occultism is to assume that others possess or that one has a permanent and immutable “I,“? without a beginning and an end...

If for at least one instant, those who think in the way previously described were to awaken consciousness, they would then clearly see for themselves that the rational humanoid is never the same “one“? through a long period of time. Thus, from a psychological point of view, the intellectual mammal is continuously changing.

To think that a person named Louis is always Louis is like a joke made in very bad taste. That subject called Louis has other “I’s,“? other “egos“? in himself, who, in different moments, express themselves through his personality. Therefore, even if Louis does not
like covetousness, another “I“? within him, lets call him Peter, likes covetousness, and so on. No person is the same in a continuous manner. Indeed, one does not have to be a sage in order to fully realize the innumerable changes and contradictions of each individual.
Therefore, to assume that someone possesses a permanent and immutable “I“? is equivalent to committing an abuse against our fellowmen and against oneself. Thus, many people, many “I’s“? live inside each person. Any awakened or conscious person can, in a direct way, verify this by himself."

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montalk--

I've noticed, say, in the past year that I no longer put on different personalities and faces while around different people, at least not as much as I used to. For example, I no longer act different around my friends than I would around my parents or my professors at school. Is this what Gurdjieff and other Fourth Way teachers mean by uniting your I's into one or finding the real I?

I realized this was happening without my realizing it. I feel much more "together" these days also, like I can handle any situation because "I" have at my disposal all the social skills of all the different presonalities combined into one. Do you think, from your personal experience, that this happens to everyone as they get older or is this a result of a spiritual focus?

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That is definitely part of it - the point regarding 'fragmented selves' is that we normally have these personas that get played like jukebox records depending on what buttons are being pushed. The idea is to cut these marionette strings and start moving our own limbs, so to speak - to be who we choose to be in each moment, which at the core should be our true self.

There's a difference between being self-aware and conscious of the moment while choosing to act externally as the situation requires, and not being aware but sliding unconsciously into whatever persona the environment pulls out of you. It's the difference between an actor who knows he's acting and an asleep dreamer who gets caught identifying with his dream role rather than being lucid.

By reacting to stimulus instead of acting upon aware choices, it is said that we are merely behaving as machines and not going anywhere. But to train the spiritual muscle, the organic core of that machine, requires excercising freewill in every opportunity possible. One method involves interrupting mechanical behaviors out of sheer choice, and another involves doing things that the mechanical side of you wouldn't normally do. It is pitting the will against the machine, in hopes that the organic core of the machine - you and your soul - gain command over its automatic and illucid tendencies. There's another technique called "self-remembering" which basically means being lucid while awake, aware of what you're doing instead of daydreaming or acting on autopilot...that's one example of de-mechanizing the self. The more often you can be lucid during the day, the better...but this is far easier said than done.

As for having a constant personality, that can either be someone actually becoming more conscious in life and becoming more true to themselves, or it can be someone settling into one specific dream role. Which case it is depends on whether awareness and response-ability have also increased in conjunction with it. For those who atrophy into a single asleep personality style, well they become even more mechanical and barely grow anymore, becoming increasingly inflexible to new ideas. You see this a lot in people who get into their late 40s and 50s...their  mechanization is pretty much complete and optimized for social performance, thus no more need to adapt. For those who have enough soul essence and mobility left, life will keep being an adventure into old age.

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Alushe, thanks for that excerpt.

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montalk--

I've noticed, say, in the past year that I no longer put on different personalities and faces while around different people, at least not as much as I used to. For example, I no longer act different around my friends than I would around my parents or my professors at school. Is this what Gurdjieff and other Fourth Way teachers mean by uniting your I's into one or finding the real I?

I realized this was happening without my realizing it. I feel much more "together" these days also, like I can handle any situation because "I" have at my disposal all the social skills of all the different presonalities combined into one. Do you think, from your personal experience, that this happens to everyone as they get older or is this a result of a spiritual focus?

I have also experienced such changes in the past year. I feel this is linked with energy conservation and personal power -- that is, I'm often strong enough to resist the Matrix, to be who I am rather who others "want" me to be (through their unconscious, yet real, projections). All actions are due to probabilities. Without a strong will to be myself and act consciously and positively, then the probabilities of "acting out" a certain role, as imagined by others' dreams, are much greater.

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I wouldn't normally post my stuff on a forums.  However as this thread is on a similar topic to the article, some here maybe interested:

From:  http://www.thethoughts.co.uk

Unity - Equilibrium of the Ego and Self
Extremisms of the east and west

Traditional eastern spiritual teachings focus on the "I" or ego as the source of all duality. These teachings present the aim of expunging the ego in order for man to bring "self" into harmony with the universe.

The underlying belief behind this method of spirituality recognises the following as what it terms a simple truth: The world around us is created through mans own ego - or "I". We create a vision of the world based upon principalities and ideologies created within our own mind. Further; based upon this form of knowledge we cannot know the true world, as our own distinctions instantly transform the real world into an illusion; the result of which is our perception.

Zen teachings for example show that this illusion can be broken when Man gives up his "I", and ceases to see himself as separate from the universe. In doing this, man comes into oneness with all existence. To such a mind, distinctions between self and other are no longer relevant; one perceives the universe as would an inert object. Content to simple "be".

What appears to be a paradoxical statement is then relevant. Without a sense of "I" there can be no universe, because "other" can only exist if "I" exists.

There are further concepts which show the illusory nature of the universe, but those will be left for other articles, thus allowing us to concentrate on the above teachings.

 

Spirituality

Although these spiritual teachings contain pertinent information; which in turn convey a perspective that is very relevant - it is the conclusion which has been arrived at by these teachings which must be focused upon, for the adoption of such a stance is flawed.

The concept behind these eastern spiritual teachings is now much the same as modern western philosophical thought. Although western thought for many centuries caught itself in externalising its perspective - essentially stating the source of all knowledge is found outside of the mind - from Descartes onwards western thought arrived in the position of showing that the mind is the source of its own perspectives.

The human ego creates its own rules for the world, based upon its own observations. A person may say "Gravity obeys Newton's Law" - this is a faux pas, and serves to show how mans ego forms the centre of his world perspective. The truth in this case would be; "Newton's Law can be applied to describe the effects of gravity."

The former sentence implies nature following laws pre-described by man. The latter sentence indicates man applying labels and systems to pre-existing and self-evident occurrences of nature.

It is in this manner of creating facts and applying nature into them that man projects his "I" externally. To such a perspective, the observations of the universe - through a process of logic - give birth to the idea of "Cause and Effect". Here the mind observes an effect, and then the "I" places its own labels and systems upon this effect. The minds reliance upon logic combined with the minds linear nature then seek a "cause". This cause is observed by the mind and again the "I" places labels and systems upon it.

Thus the intellect observes (and in many cases creates) the connection between the cause and effect.

Philosophical thought and spiritual teachings show that without the "I" there cannot be "other". That is to say, that duality can only exist in the presence of an "I" - or an independent observer. In the event the "I" is removed, duality ceases to exist; one thing can no longer be separate from another. The universe itself becomes a oneness - which these lines of thought state are its natural state. Within such a oneness linear events cannot exist, thus one thing cannot precede another. Therefore in the absence of "I", cause and effect cease to be possible.

With eastern thought arriving at such a conclusion, it shows it believes that only with the expungence of "I" can the universe be reduced to a level that can be "known". Further…that once man has given up his "ego", the desire to know becomes irrelevant. Without "I" there is no "known" or "unknown".

It can now be shown, that this conclusion - whilst claiming to be egoless, is still as much of a trap as being entirely ego-centric.

In order to understand this, firstly the source of the "I" must be sought. This is a task to which Greek thought lent itself for a very long time, continuously seeking outer sources. Religions label God as the source of the "I". Even modern science seeks this truth; with some sciences claiming the "I" to be a result of complex chemical reactions.

However in each of the above cases - as well as many others - the one continuous present action is the "I" creating systems in order to discover its own source. These systems are then projected from inside the "I" onto the external world. The "I" then seeks to find its creator externally within those projections.

Using this method the source of "I" cannot be found. The source of "I" cannot be found externally, purely because it has been created internally. The "I" is its own source. This is what Descartes meant by "I think therefore I am." To say this another way: I exist because via my methods of thought, I have given creation to my ego or *I*.

But man has trouble accepting he is the source of himself; thus he seeks to displace it elsewhere. The eastern teachings shown above go a step further, not only do they seek to lay the source of the ego elsewhere. It is perceived that they seek to remove it or transcend it.

It is at this point that the distinction between "self" and the "I" becomes eminantly clear. The "self" is the pure consciousness that we possess, unaffected by the "I". The "I" in this case is the "ego"; the ego being the false sense of self created from the false ideals the ego itself creates.

The egoless sense of self is the state that eastern teachings seek to attain; that only through the removal of the ego can enlightenment appear. This allows one to move into a state whereby they are free of duality. But how far can such a perspective go toward the evolution of mankind, or the individual? Within such a frame of reference, the concept of future evolution becomes a non-existent concern. Instead one concentrates only on the present, for in the absence of "I" it is the only thing that exists.

The egoless mind is rooted perpetually within the present, and can perceive only a constant stream of the here and now. It percieves itself as in harmony with the external world - a oneness. Without the ego, the mind possesses none of its drive for external development, evolution and progress for the simple reason that it understands that percieved outter change is a result of the ego.

This is in stark contrast to the mind that is trapped by the ego - such a mind as this is rooted within the either the future or the past. It becomes unaware of the present, aside from in a purely reactionary uncontemplated manner. However it seeks to imprint itself constantly upon the external world.

We are therefore presented with two aspects of our being; the ego and the self.

The hidden nature of pure self, which is buried by the ego - is an aspect of ourselves that many fail to see. Pure self enables us to think and act in a natural manner. That is to say, the ego which is a conditioned sense of self, created by various external factors – adversely effects our world perspective. The perspective of the ego-centric mind becomes trapped within rules and systems, but these factors are all results of the projection of the ego. As the above teachings show we can break away from the conditioned sense of ego to become one with our pure self.

However, this brings us to a very important factor. Due to the nature of the ego - which creates duality - we are given the ability to perceive our own consciousness. The ego enables us to separate ourselves from the external; this occurs in order for us to perceive that we are indeed a separate entity from others. That we possess individuality.

As already shown the concept behind these eastern thoughts (and modern western thought) shows us that without the ego, "I" and "other" does not exist. It therefore follows, that without the ego, man would not be aware of his self , as he would have no experience of other. Experience of true pure self can only occur with prior possession of an ego. If one were to live from birth without an ego - or sense of "I", they would possess no individuality, therefore the point must be stated; without a reference of "I" how could "pure-self" be perceived?

It can only follow that if mans true nature is that of pure self, then it must also be of mans true nature to possess an ego.

The ego has been shown here, and by many others to be a false sense of self, an indoctrinated identity which has been created due to external factors. Further, that these external factors can only indoctrinate when the ego projects itself upon the external world. (Ideas are assimilated into the mind, the mind then projects these ideas upon the world in order to define that world).

So whilst eastern thought shows that true self can only be experienced in the absence of ego, it does not follow that man should dismiss, transcend or remove his ego. To do so would be akin to stating that man can remove his eyes if he only lives in dark caves. Or he has no need of a voice if there is no one to talk to.

We are again presented with a case where man takes his beliefs to extremes, and to the exclusion of all else.

 

Absolutism

As shown in my articles elsewhere; western man adopts an extreme belief in the physical world to the exclusion of the spiritual. The spiritual perspective presented in this article then, could be perceived to be in direct opposition to the physical perspective. However that would not be a correct assumption. The two perspectives, although on opposite polar ends, are of the exact same nature. This nature is in the temptation to follow one path to the exclusion of all else, thus leading one to a flawed perspective of life.

This flawed perspective has taken two aspects of reality - both very different - and applied to them the same extremist belief. Thus when considered from the view of future human evolution and development; the extremist adoption of both aspects as presented here, renders both aspects useless when viewed as singular beliefs.

When Indian Buddhism met Chinese thought, it became obsessed with the nature of the Tao. The symbol of the yin/yang represents the principles I present here very well. In Zen, eastern thought rooted itself deeply and exclusively within only one side of the symbol. In western thought - whose worldview is purely physical - rooted itself exclusively within the other aspect of the symbol. There are those who have noticed this, and many who have commented upon this truth. Most of these people have adopted the belief that one must "walk the path between the two opposite poles". But this yet again misses the essential point. Walking between each of the aspects affords one little more than he would have if he planted his stance precisely and exclusively within one camp only.

After perceiving the nature of these two areas of thought, one must embrace both areas entirely! We must encapsulate them both within our lives and within our world views. Only by doing this can we possess perspective enough to bring both aspects into equal balance with each other.

The concepts of the west and the east show us one thing eminently clearly; as we partake of this life, it is not a case of "either / or". It is not a case of "Is life physical or is it non-physical"? Neither is it a case of "Is it a dream or is it real". Neither can it be a case of walking between the two.

A fundamental part of our reasoning compels us to always choose "one or the other" in any given situation. Our minds seem to reflex away from accepting multiple paths, as we fear them to be contradictory. Our ego being linear tells us that paradox cannot exist. However the pure self shows us that "contradiction" is merely a result of the ego. That it is only the ego that places constraints upon such a situation; the ego alone that refuses to accept paradox.

Contemporary physical science would perhaps argue against this case; however the mind that adopts both the physical and spiritual can only see this truth as being self evident. That is to say, the mind can be at once aware of both the physical and the non-physical. Thus in itself, the ego could perceive the mind as paradoxical…comprising of two aspects which are in opposition to each other. The truth then, is that these aspects - though on opposite ends - comprise a unity. To elaborate, this means the co-existance of direct condradictory opposites, both of which exist in an equal manner. Although unnecessary for this article, this observation of the nature of reality has also been accepted by quantum physics; a melding together of the physical and non-physical.

To the mind that perceives the world via only one of these aspects, it perceives a world that is illusory. But to the mind that views the world from both aspects it understands that the world is both illusory and non-illusory. That some aspects we cannot detect with our physical senses form a part of what is "reality", whilst conversely some of that which our physical senses show us as real, are mere illusion.

To emphasis, there are no absolutes; that to say we "can know" or we "cannot know" is a falsest. Existence is not a case of “either / or“?, rather existence is an acceptance of a unity; a whole.

At this point a new question arises. How do we apply this knowledge to our lives? If "relative" and "absolute" are merely concepts of the ego; then how do we lend our stance to comprehending ourselves and the universe?

 

Physicality

In order to consider this, we must look at what we currently believe “comprehension" to be. In part, this issue is discussed in my articles No Thoughts and Mass Consciousness. The following can be considered a brief overview of those thoughts.

As shown in the previously mentioned articles, much of humanity spend our waking hours in a state of “slumber“?, where our minds are in a semi-unconscious state. Thus we partake of our life experiences in a mechanical manner, generally re acting to external stimuli without true self consideration, rather than acting based upon conscious and original self thought.

Further analysis of this situation shows how we perceive the world and events around us. Earlier in this article, it is displayed how the semi-conscious mind (or ego-centric mind) has difficulty in understanding and accepting all issues that appear to be: contradiction, paradoxical or relative. The semi-conscious mind automatically reflexes away from the aforementioned concepts, preferring to latch on to what it perceives as comforting absolutes. Simply put it is a condition of viewing the world in states of black and white.

The semi-conscious mind then can thus be considered allegorical with a computer. A computer understands only two instructions; “on“? and “off“?. This is called binary and is represented to the computer in numerical digits; 1 and 0.

Whilst it is true to say that a computer can build complex patterns, programs and control methods from long strings of 1's and 0's – the essential truth still remains that no matter how complex the subject that is submitted into a computer, the computer can only understand the subject once it has been reduced to a set of absolutes.

The unawake and ego-centric mind functions in a like manner.

For example, a soldier refuses to obey orders. In order for an observer to comprehend this issue – background information is required. In this example the solider refused his orders, because he felt them to be illegal orders, requiring him to open fire upon a fellow citizen for undue reason.

The issue is then reduced to “He should have obeyed orders, because that his is mandate.“? Or “He should not have obeyed orders, because he has an obligation to protect.“?

Thus the issue is reduced to base components of absolutes, either “1“? or “0“?.

A further example: A new law is introduced by a country's government requiring that all citizens submit to an identity check in order to carry out an everyday activity – in this example, to move from state to state (or county to county).

The base absolutes surrounding this – which an individual requires in order to relate to this issue are thus: “People have a right to move freely without checks!“? and “It is required to produce a safe society!“?

Other examples of lifestyle, consumerism, personal choice etc. could be pursued; however this issue has been covered within the aforementioned articles.

In each of the above cases the issue is clearly reduced to base absolutes; black and white, “either / or“?, a 1 or a 0.

This in our present age is what passes for “comprehension“?; an understanding of the base absolutes that construct any giving issue or situation. However, such a perspective does little to resolve the issue, which no matter the “side“? of the argument chosen, will occur again and again in different permutations.

A mind that can only perceive absolutes cannot see the true nature of reality. A mind centred on absolutes will not see the soldier's actions descending from a multitude of surrounding and preceding issues. A “1“? or a “0“? will not reflect the whole nature of a society and cultural (global) consciousness which led to increasingly tighter and tighter forms of control. Further a semi-conscious mind will see no need to take anything further into account than the presented base absolutes.

Traditional comprehension then, is based only on the single aspect of reality that concentrates upon absolutes.

By using a method such as this, a person will displace themselves…as the natural state of the mind is not one of absolutes. In order to begin understanding the full nature of reality we must open our being to its higher aspects.

 

Unity

Comprehension as shown above can be placed firmly within one aspect of reality; it is a product of physicality – its structure being comprised of purely physical logical observations. When comprehension in this form stands as the single aspect of how an individual perceives the world and themselves, then indeed their scope of perception will be limited; just as the mind that confines itself to any single aspect of reality will trap itself within the same confines.

However, when our beings are open to the additional aspects of reality we begin to perceive the borders and limits of a singular perception.

When we give true thought into the nature of physicality we begin to see how we condition that perspective ourselves, and further we find that this physicality conditions us. Physicality erects walls within the mind, forcing us to comply with the rules as defined by physicality itself - rules which we adopt as our own beliefs.

When we perceive this fact; rather than battering upon these walls, or receding back within their confines one can instead step beyond the confines of such a single aspected reality.

This in essence means that we find the ability to step beyond our self-created rules.

A true understanding of the nature of physicality, when brought into conjunction with a true understanding of pure-self (spirituality)…renders us with the ability for a free flowing and dynamic perception of our existence. Enabling us a perspective which is not impeded by contradiction, paradox or ambiguity, but rather accepts these aspects as a part of our reality. Such a mind thus finds the freedom to learn how to make its own free choices.

With such unity the mind can truly see the nature of the temptation to forsake one belief system and adopt another, and thus is possessed of the ability to side-step this trap.

If we take it upon ourselves to awaken our minds to a multi-faceted reality – with which we can gain knowledge to create our own free choices, we can evolve beyond the concepts imposed upon us by ego created absolutism. We can thus learn to live without being confined to self created systems and rules.

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"The real I"?, what´s that?, one "I" more?. One I that is tyhe only that ever exited as been the one legitimate to rule the body?.


I think there´s no "real I", at all. I only think that u can discover yourself perceiving things in a manner that feels more real than before. And this could go more till infinity. More, more , more , more real things your perceive.

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Racsouran wrote:

"The real I"?, what�s that?, one "I" more?. One I that is tyhe only that ever exited as been the one legitimate to rule the body?.


I think there�s no "real I", at all. I only think that u can discover yourself perceiving things in a manner that feels more real than before. And this could go more till infinity. More, more , more , more real things your perceive.

You're a wise dude Racsouran wink y tu Ingles es mas correcto con mi Espanol!

"And your truth will set you free!" Cipher

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift.  The rational mind is a faithful servant.  We have created a society which honours the servant but has forgotten the gift." Albert Einstein

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I know it, but i try to fix errors smile

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Racsouran wrote:

I think there�s no "real I", at all. I only think that u can discover yourself perceiving things in a manner that feels more real than before. And this could go more till infinity. More, more , more , more real things your perceive.

From a linear time perspective, that seems correct, which assumes our consciousness has evolved in a linear progression from the bottom up to where we are now.

However this does not explain how our life can be scripted in accordance with our learning needs, scripted from before birth and in between lifetimes as recalled by all those people with trans-life memories. Only a higher "I" can have that birds-eye view and plan accordingly. We here in 3D have trouble planning and executing anything even a month into the future, and yet destiny is laid out the moment we are born (with some minor detours allowed due to freewill).

Also, there is a part of our essence that is more aware, permanent, and consistent -- the wise 'observer' that whispers advice and insight into your ears if you're listening, with which you can communicate directly if you practice meditating and intending for such a communication, and from whose perspective you can view the world if you turn within and try to gain a bird's-eye view of your situation.

One thing we know is that we are not one "I" because from day to day we have different sub-personalities that take dominance over the others depending on the situation. When we get angry, we're a different person from when we are happy. When we attend a job interview, we are different than when we hang out with our loved ones.

But these are all masks, and the face beneath them all must be the Real I, that which is consistent throughout external changes, the focal point of awareness. Like a lightbulb with layers of filters around it...what remains the same through changes of filters other than the internal white light source? When we die and drop all our masks, the Real I is what remains. The more something changes, the more it is a product of linear time and therefore illusion, yes? So that which remains the most permanent, the "I AM" must be that which is most real.

Lastly, if you accept the idea that time can be nonlinear (where the future and past are happening now) then the more evolved aspect of our being can co-exist and thus communicate with the less-evolved aspect (you now in 3D). And since that more evolved part is what you will eventually consciously become, striving in that direction can only help you get there along a straighter path. Therefore, seeking to find your Real I, and think, feel, and act like your Real I, helps you fully manifest it within yourself. Rather than getting caught up identifying with the masks you wear and change from moment to moment, you hitch your awareness on the only permanent spot within you, the focal point of your own self-awareness.

At least, in theory.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

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At least, in theory.

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Racsouran; in the end we have to be careful not to get into a game of word play.  Often there is a fine line between metaphysics and just playing with words.

The "Real" I, then would depend on how you define "real".  By "real", I mean the self as it is without reliance upon words, beliefs or any other human created ideal.  For example - the Universe as it is without any definition applied to it by man.  The Universe simply "is".

The "real" I - simply "is".

It is the self without ego.

So yes - you are right - there is no "real I" because that is merely a definition of the ego, is it not?  Ultimately, it is simply about releasing our reliance upon purely intellectualising everything...

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Yea, i hate in certain mode the unneeded hability of some people to talk in mathematical terms, to make complex all, to write books about issues well explanables in one or two paragraphs.