61 (edited by lyra 2004-11-29 05:54:31)

Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

Neomatrix wrote:

I see from your signature, Miss Lyra, that you are now converted to the Bill Hicks School of Philosophy. Good call! smile

And the good part is.....there are endless quotes to choose from!  big_smile  Should I ever get bored with this one, there's plenty more! 

I'll take a moment to plug the Bill Hicks book "Love All the People" since we're talking about him....it's a great book!   Anybody with a sense of humor who's into conspiracies and "waking up" should love this book.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

lyra wrote:

I'll take a moment to plug the Bill Hicks book "Love All the People" since we're talking about him....it's a great book!   Anybody with a sense of humor who's into conspiracies and "waking up" should love this book.

I also recommend his biography which I enjoyed reading. It's called "American Scream: The Bill Hicks Story". I don't think it's as good as it could have been, but certainly worth reading if you're a Hicks fan.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ … 15-8597734

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Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

ok, here's a bit of a technical question:

lets talk about souls, animals, and the different densities/dimensions of existance in relation to this.

we humans are 3d souls, which vibrate at a certain frequency. ok.

they say we are to shift UP into 4d, meaning our frequency will rise higher? meaning vibrate faster ?

thus, animals with 2d souls would have lower frequency, correct?

and plants/minerals- are these considered to have 1d souls, meaning their vibrating even lower freq. ?

OK, if i got that right, then here's my real question:

Is the Creator Source Spirit (Oneness) at the very low end of the frequency range ?
Or is it at the highest end of the spectrum ?

It seems to me that the creator source would be almost standstill, the lowest frequency.- and that animals/minerals would be closer to its range.

But, as im writing this, i began getting the feeling (answer) that the Source is on BOTH ENDS of the spectrum, the highest and the lowest, encompassing all.

...guess i answered my own question, thanks guys!
(feel free to add/comment)

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

64 (edited by Kaybal 2004-11-29 17:04:32)

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lyra wrote:

Thanks for the links, Kaybal.  I had never actually read the "Eat Right For Your Type" book, I'd just come across references to blood type diets on the 'net.   For me, I have my own personal proof that I do need meat in my diet, so it's not based on that book.  I can't say for certain if it's because I'm O+ blood or not, but if I don't even meat I get weak, lethargic and can't think straight.  And I get the HUGE cravings for meat.  And if I go too long without protein I begin to intensly crave beef.  Medium rare hamburgers mostly.  There's something in beef /red meat that's not in poultry or fish which my body craves when my protein reserves dip too low. 

At any rate, I've found that adding black beans and brown (basmati) rice as a diet staple has helped alleviate my need for animal protein.  I can go weeks without meat in my diet and not get the cravings or the lethargy as long as I'm eating the beans and rice.   I didn't expect that actually when I first started eating it.  But I was pleasantly surprised to find this to be the case, which is why I highly recommend going that route to anybody here who is seriously looking to cut back or completely eliminate meat from their diets. 

As far as soy goes......I try to stay away from it.  That stuff scares me.  wink

Read thoroughly and you'll find the answers you need.

Here's a more complete article about the blood type diet:
http://www.earthsave.org/news/bloodtyp.htm

And about soy:
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/soy

Try to be well informed before making any decision!

Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

[continued from When Beloved Pets Pass Over the Rainbow Bridge]

I would rather think, Lipstick, that you communicate with the group soul of a particular specie via one of its manifestations. When you communicated telepathically with a human, you communicate with an unique individual. If you know how a rotweller behaves, you know how all rotwellers behave, so you know how to train one. Dogs do not elaborate theories of relativity nor questionate themselves concerning the reason why they're here on earth and what is their destiny. humans do, at least when they are not spiritually sleeping because of the mechanized instincts that guides their lives.

I think what the Cs said that animals reincarnate in humans is not tue at all. Elementals will become humans in the future and will one day incarnate in human bodies, but not animals. Animals and humans were once ONE, in a far distant past. Animals, like fallen hierarchies, took the downward path. they are failed humans, they plunged too quickly in matter because of their passions. Humans that we know waited for proper ape bodies to be enough evolved in order to incarnate in these primates bodies. Animals are immature human souls which incarnated in matter before they were ripe to incarnate, and before the proper simiesque bodies were ready to welcome the human souls. We should be infinitely grateful to animals and lower forms of life because without them we just couldn't life and eat and breathe, and so on. Jesus Christ washed the feet of others, to express this truth: that some beings must sacrifice themselves in order for other beings to evolve spiritually. Without the sacrifice of animals plants and other organisms, humans couldn't be what they are and couldn't evolve on earth properly. the ascend of one group causes the fall of another group. Some seeds will take roots but million other seeds won't. It seems like nature were spoiling itself in creating millions of seeds ust to see a few actually evolve towards a higher state of being. But nature isn't cruel. This is misconception. Nature has planned that only a few will actually grow spiritually and bear fruit and become seed-carriers. All the others will perish. This is not tragic, this is life. Many will fail their spiritual ascension, but it takes only a few exceptional people to perpetuate the human race towards higher goals and greater duties.

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Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

druid wrote:

[continued from When Beloved Pets Pass Over the Rainbow Bridge]
When you communicated telepathically with a human, you communicate with an unique individual.

Actually, after doing over 10,000 psychic readings with people from all over the globe, all backgrounds, levels of intelligence, types of morality/spirituality, etc., I beg to differ.

A lot of these folks were not individuals in the sense of questioning why they were here on earth or operating beyond what you might call "animal" level. They were pod people. Lovely folks oftentimes with big hearts and good intentions, and not toxic, necessarily. But POD PEOPLE.

I realize that's not politically correct to say that, but it's true. They were hivemind inviduals who might well prove the idea that certain souls do not have much individualization and might actually operate more according to Steiner's framework for the grouped souls of animals.

I assume there's a reason and a purpose behind that and that they are evolving exactly as they need to....kind of as one big glob of souls sloughing along together like cattle on the evolutional track. You would assume that beneath that is a spark of free will, a sense of spiritual sovereignty, and so forth....but I dunno. It's awfully hard to light a spark with pod people.  They are very resistant, almost to the point of not having the receptors to receive that spark and to be reminded of their uniqueness, their power, their beauty as sparks of the Divine.

Once I learned to stop trying to light a fire beneath them, I learned to enjoy and appreciate and honor them for exactly where they are now, and I genuinely enjoyed reading for them. I found them refreshing in their simplicity and lack of complication, actually. I just had to switch gears and make sure that the reading was about sex and breeding, making money, and death. Because that's all they were willing to encompass - that was the maximum breadth of their thoughts.

(*Note - there's nothing wrong with sex, breeding, making money, or thinking about death!  It's just that that is ALL pod people seem able to think about. Literally. Their eyes glaze over whenever you go towards any richer subjects.)

So where does that fit in with Steiner's view of incarnations?  Does his work encompass the idea of hivemind pod people? Where do they stand in his view of incarnations and the evolution of man? I'm asking this sincerely, because I've never studied Steiner and I don't know his work.

druid wrote:

If you know how a rotweller behaves, you know how all rotwellers behave, so you know how to train one.

Again, not so. I've encountered many animals from dogs to cats to rabbits that do NOT behave as "all rotweillers/cats/rabbits" do.  VERY unique. Not trainable or responsive in the typical ways that you would associate with their breed type.

druid wrote:

Dogs do not elaborate theories of relativity nor questionate themselves concerning the reason why they're here on earth and what is their destiny.

Not true. Listen to a few and you'll learn that they have their own cosmology, their own spirituality, their own clear sense of a past and a future, and all the other referential points that the more "tuned in" humans do. And again, I am not only talking about pets who have potentially become "humanized" through hanging out with humans. I'm talking about wild crows, hawks, eagles, fish, and any number of other wild animals who have shared such things with me.  And let me also say that their cosmologies are not the same as mine, either - so to hear "straight from the horse's mouth," so to speak, extensive, elaborate, intelligent ruminations on life, the universe and everything is quite an eye-opener. Very humbling and amazing.

From much of what the wild animals have shared with me, many of them will be leaving this incarnational school in years to come, which doesn't gel with the theory of them one day becoming humans living here on Earth. I think that's the last thing that many of them would want to do!

Also, from what the angels have shared with me when I've asked them about the spiritual and physical evolution of animals, I've gleaned that animals are no "less" than humans and many of them are of a higher spiritual vibration than humans are, and many of them chose to be in the bodies they are in for the unique experiences of living as that particular species. It simply suited them to be in, say, a crow's body vs. something else.

druid wrote:

Jesus Christ washed the feet of others, to express this truth: that some beings must sacrifice themselves in order for other beings to evolve spiritually. Without the sacrifice of animals plants and other organisms, humans couldn't be what they are and couldn't evolve on earth properly.

I agree that animals are very special and have their own spiritual destiny, and that there is much sacrifice involved with them given that so many of them are our food source!

Yet, as I explained in another thread about deer, ages ago when man needed to survive by taking flesh, many sacred agreements were made between species. Adn there is a balance within that that we've lost sight of. The deer agreed for man to take the old, the infirm, or the weak among its herds for food and for using the skins in clothing/shelter. etc.  In return, humans were to do "proper kills," which is a whole different subject but it involves the killing of another in a sacred way (invoking beforehand and raising spiritual energy around the deed; working with the free will of the animal; gently pushing the animal's spirit partly out of body before the actual kill so it doesn't feel any pain; and then killing with love in the heart instead of bloodlust in the mind.)

So sacrifice is involved in such an exchange, yes, yet humanity's killing of the members of the herd who wouldn't otherwise survive or who were weakened and who would otherwise pass along failed genetics (which over time would weaken the herd)....sounds like a pretty even and right exchange to me.

druid wrote:

Nature has planned that only a few will actually grow spiritually and bear fruit and become seed-carriers. All the others will perish. This is not tragic, this is life. Many will fail their spiritual ascension, but it takes only a few exceptional people to perpetuate the human race towards higher goals and greater duties.

I don't agree with any of this, but I respect your views all the same. Thank you for sharing your viewpoints. Myself, I find the spiritual evolution and unique destiny of the animal species I've been blessed to receive information from to be compelling, attractive, and fascinating - just as legitimate and spiritually "wise" as human's evolution, sometimes even more so. And they do question their path - just talk to an animal who is dying, and you'll hear all the questions, the fears, the worries that they have - just like humans. 

LipstickMystic aka Jennifer

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LipstickMystic wrote:

Actually, after doing over 10,000 psychic readings with people from all over the globe, all backgrounds, levels of intelligence, types of morality/spirituality, etc., I beg to differ.

A lot of these folks were not individuals in the sense of questioning why they were here on earth or operating beyond what you might call "animal" level. They were pod people. Lovely folks oftentimes with big hearts and good intentions, and not toxic, necessarily. But POD PEOPLE.

Lipstick - several weeks ago I had a dream I didn't really share except with a couple people via chat.  Since it deals with something similar to what you say above, I will share it here:

I was at a job, at some office-type workplace, and just before lunch I was reading on a theory that 50% of the humans today have an "alien" consciousness.  I kept this to myself.  Minutes or maybe an hour later, I was in a lunchroom, eating.  Toward the end of the table on the opposite side, a guy was sitting - someone who I have seen before but I didn't know was "aware".  Without talking about what I was studying, he told me "it's actually closer to 80% are aliens.  Keep studying."

My first question is, of the many people who you've read for, what percentage would you say fit within the "pod people" phenomenon?  And would this percentage equate to the actual percentage of humans which are pod people today, or would the OP/PP types tend not to get psychic readings with you as much?

Second question, any further insight into what the guy in my dream meant?  Maybe meaning that percentage of the people have not accreted enough individual consciousness and are basically collective?  Or, perhaps were originally authentic souls wich have been subverted through conditioning, programming and externalizing their power to basically be working for the alien agenda?

cheers

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

68 (edited by lyra 2006-10-07 16:00:04)

Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

visavis wrote:
LipstickMystic wrote:

Actually, after doing over 10,000 psychic readings with people from all over the globe, all backgrounds, levels of intelligence, types of morality/spirituality, etc., I beg to differ.

A lot of these folks were not individuals in the sense of questioning why they were here on earth or operating beyond what you might call "animal" level. They were pod people. Lovely folks oftentimes with big hearts and good intentions, and not toxic, necessarily. But POD PEOPLE.

Lipstick - several weeks ago I had a dream I didn't really share except with a couple people via chat.  Since it deals with something similar to what you say above, I will share it here:

I was at a job, at some office-type workplace, and just before lunch I was reading on a theory that 50% of the humans today have an "alien" consciousness.  I kept this to myself.  Minutes or maybe an hour later, I was in a lunchroom, eating.  Toward the end of the table on the opposite side, a guy was sitting - someone who I have seen before but I didn't know was "aware".  Without talking about what I was studying, he told me "it's actually closer to 80% are aliens.  Keep studying."

My first question is, of the many people who you've read for, what percentage would you say fit within the "pod people" phenomenon?  And would this percentage equate to the actual percentage of humans which are pod people today, or would the OP/PP types tend not to get psychic readings with you as much?

Second question, any further insight into what the guy in my dream meant?  Maybe meaning that percentage of the people have not accreted enough individual consciousness and are basically collective?  Or, perhaps were originally authentic souls wich have been subverted through conditioning, programming and externalizing their power to basically be working for the alien agenda?

cheers

Maybe we should start a thread about pod people, instead of side tracking onto that here, in a thread about animals?   It would actually make for a great thread I think, although it'll be bound to stir up some people's ire, as there are those who, as LM pointed out, would find "pod people" to be politically incorrect.  wink   It's similar to the topic/idea of OP's, which is always guaranteed to bring out the highly emotionally charged types who lack reasoning skills, and who begin throwing around ridiculous logical fallacies such as "Oh, so what you're really saying is that we should have an OP genocide then, huh?!  Huh!?!   So that's what you're saying?!  You think we should be like Hitler and kill all the OPs?!"   It may sound absolutely crazy, but trust me, I've seen this argument used.   Or, "We're all one!   You're advocating separation and hate!"   roll    Also, people will kick up a stink, being unable to realize that A) There are very psychic people out there and those "in the know" who  know for a *fact* that that there are pod people going on in this world, and non-human creatures masquerading as humans walking among us, even if they lack the psychic vision to be able to see it themselves, and B) there's a big difference between "noticing" that this fact is happening, in a neutral, matter-of-fact way, and then "judging," advocating hate and division, and even more extreme...advocating the Nazi/Hitler path to dealing with the situation.

Well then!  Looks like I covered all bases!  big_smile  That should hopefully clear the way for this discussion to happen WITHOUT the unfortunate guaranteed crazy reactions of people who will be crawling out from under their rocks, since this *is* a full moon weekend, after all.  And what better time to start a pod people thread, a subject which always pisses people off, than during the full moon.   Good times!   haha  (you can tell I've been through it so many times....but you know what, I'd still love to see this topic discussed.  These are the juicy topics I live for around here!)

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Re: The Spiritual Evolution of Animals

ive seen way way smarter animals.

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