Re: Real time, On-Line Hunting, Hunt Wild Game From Your PC

zonabi wrote:

they still know how to party hardy on that side of the atlantic.
me being a passionate "raver" ... it would be quite an experience

You got that right. The brits definitely know how to party hard. Far too hard in my opinion as it seems to have turned us into a nation of alcoholics and drug users. Drinking is the nations favourite pastime, and many people here probably feel more at home in the pub than they do in, well their own home!

I've never been much of a raver myself because I was always more into rock music, however there is a rave I go to once a month and it's coming up tomorrow as a matter of fact. It's quite underground and makes for a great experience that is probably more in tune with how raves used to be when they first started in the late 80's/early 90's.

In order to control them better, and also make huge amounts of money, raves became very commercialized affairs all through the 90's up to the present day, and as a result the original vibe has generally been lost ie. There's far too many pretentious dicks who don't know how to have a really good time and only do it because it makes them look 'cool'.

But there are still a few good ones around if you know the right people to ask. You're welcome over anytime Z.

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zonabi wrote:

it made me wonder the rest of the way to work; what is it inside a human being that can make them "want" to violate a young innocent girl ? what caused someone to rape? and i think it ties in with this Fox hunting business and "hunting game" in general; why do people "Fancy" cruel things such as these? (had to throw in that word Fancy) for some reason i thought "reptilian DNA" or some kind of tampering of DNA mixed with animals ??

i thought, is it because of some animal instinct or animal DNA thats in us ? but that doesnt really make too much sense... as animals wouldnt really "get the socks off" to watching other animals die... they kill because they *need* to...

um, is it the complex nature of our creation from multiple sources that causes conflictions in our psyche and sometimes results in malfunctions ? or is it other higher forces infiltrating these people to install these ugly emotions or thoughts ?

And its all over the world, not just in UK or USA its everywhere.


You're right..........and those are great questions and points!    What is it about human nature that causes many humans to adopt the predatory animalistic attitude?  Where they hurt other humans and animals for jollies?   Where killing is a sport and a pasttime, where raping is fun.  Because you're right, animals in the wild generally don't display this behavior.  They attack when they feel threatened or are backed into a corner.  They attack to defend their young or their territory.  They kill to eat and survive.  But raping???   Malicious sexual predatory behavior???  That whole evil, devious thing that we see within humans?  As far as I know, that's not the norm in animals.  There may very well be animals that do this which I'm not aware of, but you're right, it's definitely not the norm.  I've too tried to figure out where it comes from.   We HAVE to question why Humans are so obviously different from other animals.  Like Agent Smith said in "The Matrix", (parahrase here) Every other animals lives in synch with its natural environment, but humans do not.  Humans are like a virus.  We spread out and consume everything in our path until we destroy an area then move on.   

Factor in the other things you were talking about, the killing and raping for fun, and all I can say is..................doesn't this all sound familiar?   Sounds to me like the reptilian mindset we're always hearing about.

The reptilian "alien" race is one that is very destructive.  According to lore, the reps roam from planet to planet to planet, consuming and using up everything they can until eventually destroying it and moving on to the next.   They're malicious, cold, predatory and lack empathy.....getting their jollies in senseless killing, torture and rape....because they FEED on the energy that these acts generate. So they NEED to behave that way because the energy they gain from it actualy contributes to their sustanence.

Then we look at humans, who are in endless conflict with themselves.  We have two sides, our predator side and our nice side which is bewildered by that side and tries to fight it off and beat it back with a stick.   Now why would that be?  Why do we have two sides, and why do we have that good side that is bewildered by the predator?  Probably because the predatory side has been tacked on and is artificial and foreign to the original "template" we're created from.  (theorizing here that the theory "intelligent design" by aliens is correct....)  You suggested DNA tampering......bingo!   One good possibility.    The human brain at its central core is known as the Reptilian brain, Carl Sagan wrote about this in "The Dragons of Eden", as well as many others.  But where did this come from?  Is it a byproduct of natural Darwinistic evolution?  Or have we been tampered with?   

If it's Darwinism, then being that we're primates, our ape cousins should display the same traits we do, or show signs of it.    But they don't.  I've studied up on chimps and bonobos and while they display pretty much every other human trait in the book - fear, anger, shame, remourse, joy, fun, playfulness, planning and strategy, tool making, embarrassment, hurt feelings, depression, fighting, masculine "chest puffing" territorialism, etc. etc., I've never heard of "raping".  I've never heard of apes ganging up on a lone ape and raping them, torturing them for kicks...............being an "ape serial killer" !!!!!    Going around "stalking" and preying on helpless apes then honing in for the fun kill, playing with the dead body, chopping it up into pieces and killing others afterwards just like a human serial killer does.    Just never HEARD of such a thing.  Killing goes on, yes, sure, but not the way we see it in humans.  You won't see that level of devious malicious evil that we can see in human nature.   Humans hunt animals that they have no intention of eating, just for the thrill of the chase and that satisfactory feeling when they finally get the animal cornered, and it's powerless in their crosshairs.   There's a kick that a human gets from that which we don't see displayed in other animals.  And to me it sounds very reptilian, especially the aspects of serial killers and serial rapists.

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18 (edited by zonabi 2004-11-19 09:18:59)

Re: Real time, On-Line Hunting, Hunt Wild Game From Your PC

Awesome! youre going to an underground rave. those are the best ones. I agree its been commercialized (what hasnt? (i mean, hunting game has been commercialized as this topic suggests)) and that sucks. also the hardcore drug affiliation to raves gives it a bad rep.
I have had the honor of seeing Paul Oakenfold a few times here in the states (phx) and Sasha, although im not quite sure if sasha is from across seas, i think so. I would love to see John Digweed, Fatboy Slim, Aphex Twin, to name a few of the artists that seldom ever come to the states...

oh, and thank you kindly for the invite. if we ever get the chance to travel abroad and we hit the UK, i know who to contact !

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nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: Real time, On-Line Hunting, Hunt Wild Game From Your PC

lyra wrote:

Why do we have two sides, and why do we have that good side that is bewildered by the predator?  Probably because the predatory side has been tacked on and is artificial and foreign to the original "template" we're created from.

And that's exactly want Don Juan says in Castaneda's book "The Active Side of Infinity". Obviously everyone here is familiar with the passage, as it was posted recently, see http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=845 for the full chapter.

Castaneda wrote:

"There was something in me which was, I felt, a glutton for punishment. He was right. I wouldn't have left the house for the world. And yet I didn't like one bit the inanities he was spouting.

"I want to appeal to your analytical mind," don Juan said. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal."

"But how can they do this, don Juan?" I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. "Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?"

"No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!" don Juan said, smiling. "They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver-stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now."

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20 (edited by bumblebee 2004-11-19 10:12:06)

Re: Real time, On-Line Hunting, Hunt Wild Game From Your PC

lyra wrote:

If it's Darwinism, then being that we're primates, our ape cousins should display the same traits we do, or show signs of it.

All mammals have a brain stem, which goes back to the reptiles. It's just the most basic and primitive brain structure, to which evolution (or intelligent design or whatever) added the lymbic and cortical systems. Does this brain stem have to do with Icke's reptiles, evil and their possible hold over us, the flyers mind etc, perhaps but I personally wouldn't link it just because of the use of the world reptile in both instances.

Jane Goodall discovered that those lovely chimps can be just as violent as we are:
"Chimpanzees, our closest species, demonstrate the same intraspecies violence, with death as a goal rather than an unfortunate consequence as it seems to be in other less closely related species. Chimpanzee violence towards other neighbouring groups is different from that of other primates in that the aim is to kill, whereas other primates are content to see the other group flee. It is clearly not a coincidence that humans and chimpanzees seem to be the only two species who fight to kill.
In addition, chimpanzees and other apes practice rape, infanticide and battering as means to gain and maintain power and to ensure maximum fertility. Rape is particularly common among chimpanzees and orangutans, and among the latter accounts for between one third and one half of all copulations. Rape seems to be the way in which smaller males, who could not otherwise compete with the larger males, have a chance to spread their DNA.
http://www.natsoc.org.au/html/publicati … thics.html

It's funny and curious that the Bonobo's seem to be hippies compared to the chimps: free sex, love, peace etc.
Those loving bonobos -- did we pick the wrong primate to evolve from?

The question of the origins and meaning of evil is an intruiging one. Does it have to do with metaphysical forces, gender, culture, genes, power or all of those in some weird constellation...

edit: here is the amazon link to Wrangham&Peterson's, "Demonic Males: Apes and the Origins of Human Violence"

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good post bumblebee...i was aware of the info and glad you posted it...

big kudos

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

22 (edited by lyra 2004-11-20 12:45:42)

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Yes, thanks for posting those links.  I never learned that about chimps!  sad  I knew about bonobos, who are very intriguing in that they look most like us versus any other primate with their long limbs, hairless faces and minimal head hair -  they're even bi-pedal!  - but chimps....wow.  Although it's not surprising.  Chimps are very aggressive and have a male dominated society, whereas in Bonobo land, the females are the Queen and everybody gets along.   People like to say that Chimps are our closest relatives, but I believe it's bonobos.  Had a chance to see Bonobos at the San Diego Zoo about 5 years ago......wow.  Holy cow.  It'll blow you away.   You feel uncomfortable watching them through the glass.  You feel rude.   They're a people,  basically, they're not "animals".  Watching their behavior, their interactions, their movements...it's unreal.    It was interesting to watch the crowd's reactions.  Everybody would pile up to the glass, all excited, then slowly, as they observed the bonobos and it registered what they were seeing, they began getting figety and uncomfortable.  Eyes averting around.   That was the was biggest clue, not being able to "stare at them" like you would a giraffe.  Because they'll look right back at you and they look like people.  There was one female bonobo who recognized a male in the crowd and came running up to the glass, locking eyes with him, tapping the glass.  He played a little "flirty" game of tapping the glass back and forth, since they couldn't like, give hugs or something.  We started talking to him and he told us that he was a regular to the zoo, coming to specifically study the bonobos, and that one female recognized him and seemed to have a little crush.  smile  big_smile   To see her face light up and the way their hands were up against the glass, trying to "touch" through the glass, it was sad.

Their movements and bodies are most interesting because again, they have long limbs and are bi-pedal, they're not all hunched over hop/dragging themselves around like chimps.   Other things we observed that day at the zoo was one Bonobo named Michael who sat apart from the group.  He was sitting on the ground, leaning against the wall with a grumpy scowl on his face, with his legs bent up to his chest and his arms draped around his knees.  Exactly like a person would sit.  The person I was with commented that his body looked IDENTICAL to a person's. If you covered his face/head, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.    I mean the arms...they were just like a human male's arms.     He would shoot annoyed glances both at the people behind the glass and his own group off on the other side of the compound, like he was pissed at EVERYBODY.  Mad at the humans and mad at his own peeps for being subjected to this. 

Meanwhile, with the group on the other side of the compound, they all decided to get up and move and go off and do other things, but there was one bonobo female who needed to go pee.  Like a human, they have social graces and dignity.  They don't act like "animals" and just do their thing in front of everybody.  They have shyness, hangups, whatever you want to call it.  So she waited until the group was walking off and not looking and then she hung back, discretely went pee, then ran to catch up.

The gorillas were also another interesting area, next to the bonobos.  They're so smart as well that the Zoo had allowed the head alpha male gorilla to take care of his own group. So, they didnt' have the zoo staff hanging over them.    At the end of the day the bell sounded that it was time to go inside for the evening, and the head male got up and began moving around the group, rounding everybody up, gesturing with his arms and hands, gently gathering everybody up, and helping to escort them back inside where they all sleep and spend the night..   

You cant watch something like that and be comfortable.  You'll get the figets and the averting eyes, I guarantee it.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:

People like to say that Chimps are our closest relatives, but I believe it's bonobos.

Ha, to clarify...some of the population has chimps as the closest relative, some have bonobos.  shoots the whole adamic, op thing to hell...all this time it was chimps and bonobos...now it all makes sense  http://pretticons.com/s/i/3eb8d772.gif

It's all mind over matter. If you don't mind it doesn't matter...

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I kinda disagree about the fox hunting, i've heard that foxes are really overpopulated over there, and dogs killing and eating animals is not that horrible, its a pretty natural act.  To me this would be like the US government telling me my cat couldn't kill the mice and rats and other pests around the house