Re: U.S ELECTION - VOTE RIGGING?

Seamaid wrote:

in other words, it is paranoid, to really believe that there is some utterly controlled conspiracy that won Bush the election..come on..if its ok to speak honestly here, I just am not buying that with all due respect.

It isn't necessary that a conspiracy be "utterly controlled" in order for it to be effective. Oftentimes, what we call a conspiracy can be better termed "a convergence of interests". In such a case, the players never meet together in a smoke-filled room. They don't scheme and plan. They don't send a network of minions out to all levels to take care of the details. Rather, the "conspirators" take a look at which way the wind is blowing, and independantly chart favorable courses for themselves. Naturally, they're all going to be going in the same direction: with the wind.

With that in mind, I want you to read this quote from Kenneth Blackwell, taken from Newsweek: "Last time I checked, Katherine Harris wasn't in a soup line. She's in Congress." Kenneth Blackwell is the Ohio Secretary of State. He's probably not a conspirator. But he knows what to do if the investigators come knocking.

Seamaid wrote:

Its what those that are not happy with the outcome want to believe

You've been infected by a meme. The purpose of this particular meme is to further entrench people in the republican/democrat paradigm. Not every person who points out the problems with this election is a disgruntled democrat. This isn't a football game. Don't pay attention to the cheerleaders at moveon.org. Go look at the investigators at http://www.blackboxvoting.org. They are on the streets, at the polling precincts, digging through the trash (literally) to find the evidence, filing FOIA requests, and documenting it all.

Seamaid wrote:

I think the simple truth is, Bush won the election..and there just isnt any conspiracy that made it so.

You might want to look at the UC Berkeley study. Regarding Florida, "The data show with 99.0 percent certainty that a county's use of electronic voting is associated with a disproportionate increase in votes for President Bush." This is not coming from a raving conspiracy theorist, but a sociology professor who is an expert on statistical methods and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.

--Justin