My first mall trip since being awakened... (Page 2 of 4)

I suppose, like Christine says, you need to provide your relative definition of what constitutes 'awakened'. Although, you will find this hard to describe because the feeling or awareness 'frequency' in you, is entirely subjective.

What is 'awakened' to you, may be sleep to me.

A few quotes from Ouspensky's, In Search of the Miraculous may be applicable here:

"...a person accustomed to self-observation knows for certain that at different periods of his life he has understood one and the same idea, one and the same thought, in totally different ways. It often seems strange to him that he could have understood so wrongly, that which, in his opinion, he now understands rightly. And he realises, at the same time, that his knowledge has not changed [...] his being has changed".

"People imagine that they often, if not always, understand one another, or that they can, at any rate, understand one another if they try or want to. [...] As a matter of fact, no one understands anyone else. Two men can say the same thing with profound conviction but call it by different names."

Here, apply the word 'awakened' and consider two totally different interpretations. The rest falls into place.

For me, and I'm assuming for a lot of people also, the word 'awakened' implies completion and/or coming out of sleep. It's a result. A different state from what was. When we consider our organic machine, we need to take into account that there are vast multi-layered elements of our psychology, including wishful thinking and ego-driven assumptions.

We see what we want to see. When you supposedly 'see' the Matrix because you get these 'glimpses' of reality (which IMO is a more accurate description), how do you know they are objective?

Using Christine's interpretation of two of my posts, she applied a negative agenda when there was none there, OSIT. It wouldn't surprise me if this was due to her association of 'arrogant' CassChat and me; automatically, rendering my post arrogant and condescending. Like I said, we see what we want to see.

I'm not denying that the Matrix Control System does not exist, because there is some evidence that seems to fit in with what is only a hypothesis and will only be a hypothesis until we prove that hyperdimensional beings have and continue to interfere with our lives.

But I don't think that going out to the mall, or wherever and keeping this hypothesis in mind, means that we are "awakened". I could go out right now and convince myself that people are actually walking HB pencils, but what I'm seeing is just an illusion. Although I cannot prove this, it does seem unlikely. But I'd be seeing what I want to see.

I suppose the analogy - knowledge protects comes in here. Having "knowledge" about a possible MCS can offer some protection from vectors of attack. We can then work to head these off to prevent energy taking. But like I've said, using the term 'awakened' is probably incorrect in the sense of esotericism, which is fundamentally what this all is.

All I'm saying, is be warned of self-calming/importance because these are programs of the predator's mind.

Jeez - all of this because of a semantical difference!

Craig you sure love to debate and the above is a typical example. Just to remind you of the dictionary difference Craig, here is 'the word' from the Cass chat home page: there is common sense in making this distinction as it can avoid circular energy draining discussions. This is not a game eh?

At risk of stating the obvious, if you wish to swim in semantics and play at intellectual gymanstics, you may be prepping yourself to find others who enjoy the same sort of work out.

An ability to observe and absorb another's process of expressing themselves is important. That is part of external consideration in my opinion. You seem to be dissecting an individual who is stating that they are in the process of awakening, and you use intellectual double speak to keep the never ending cycle of intellectual world salad stirring. We're in the process of rising and helping each other. We're trying avoid to playing mind and word games here.

Awakening is a process, not an event, even though you may have assumed that from will1129's post. Perhaps all I say is also just based on an incorrect assumption, but it is interesting  to me that I assume the best of the poster, and you assume the worst, hence your need to lecture will1129 about the "right path". No one asked you to do that. Remember, change is a process, not an event.

I too think you 'sound' like or could be Blackbox/Amir. ie high static noise to signal ratio.

mimi

P.S. Interesting how 'blackboxvoting' is part of the unravelling information regarding voter fraud in the recent Us "elections". I can't help but take a wry note of the symbol system and geometrical nature of events.

This is not casschat. It's NobleRealms. You used this to manipulate. You assume that I must feel some sort of patriotic dedication to the rules of casschat, and by apparently breaking these (debating rather than discussing), I've failed.

This is incorrect. He never said that he was 'awakening' he said 'since being awakened'. Look at the thread title.

This is the crux of the matter - 'awakening' is different than 'awakened'; each are also relative, because we have nothing to measure them by, OSIT.

A simple IP check will reveal that I'm not Amir. Your above assumptions and complete lack of awareness into the different between adding the 'ing' inflection have also contributed to the noise.

I too notice some sort of geometrical 'symmetry'. I possibly stepped on a few ants today, funny that, with civilians being killed in Fallujah and all.

To repost what I wrote on the "Forum Opens on Cassiopaea" thread under "current events" --

Hi Craig,

Sorry you've gotten off on the wrong foot around here, I personally hope you stick around.  I don't find your posts "noise".   Fiesty?  Yes.  Noise?  No.      Like Montalk said, we realize you're not Amir/BlackBox.   Different IP, different speech style and vibe. Seems some people weren't accute enough to pick up on the spelling variations that can only be found in "British speak."  (my comments go for the other thread as well, called "Forums Open on Cassiopaea", where there were also some issues popping up.)    For the record, Blackbox/Amir is from Toronto Canada, people.   Not England.    I'd hate to see a newbie chased off due to unwarranted and false claims that they are "someone else in disguise."  Noble Realms isn't supposed to have that negative witch hunt mentality.   So for those here who like to engage in this, and who have already been doing this, how about taking a moment to reflect on bad habits picked up from other forums......?  And like Montalk pointed out, take into consideration that it's a New Moon.   Look at how your buttons are being pushed.   Question all motives for posting and all emotional reactions during these times of the month.

Craig,

If you really are genuine then I agree with Lyra, I'm sorry you've gotten off on the wrong foot around here. However, just like Christine did, I found most of your early posts to be extremely patronising.

Nobody here has to pass any 'tests' to be accepted by the people of Noble Realms. We're a very friendly bunch of people who are keen to learn from one another regardless of our current level of knowledge or background.

However, I doubt any of us here take too kindly to a complete stranger turning up out of the blue telling us whether we are 'awakened' or not. If you really do want to be a part of Noble Realms then I suggest you get to know people a little bit better before you start patronising them!

Andy

I don't know what you want me to say Craig, except for maybe that I'm a newbie and I don't know what I'm talking about and people shouldn't trust what I say yet. Obviously you don't. I realize what the matrix control system is and I have learned other things from montalk and various sources which would lead me to consider myself awake. Now once again I don't consider this the end-all, as I am still dealing with numerous problems, but just knowing this information is valuable for my quest of spiritual advancement. Perhaps instead of focusing on telling me that I'm awake yet, you could accept that I know what I'm talking about and give advice on how I can achieve full awakenness.