1 Topic by SednaSphere (edited by SednaSphere 2004-10-23 22:36:01)

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Topic: Another senseless death

After the Red Sox won the game against the Yankees, some of the fans rioted and the riot-gear cops, aiming at them, shot a young woman of 21 here with some sort of chemical gun. It got her in the eye and went into her brain. People shouldn't riot, but are these kinds of weapons really safer? Is this kinder, gentler riot gear? Any hard projectile can kill a person if it hits them in the right place. She was just standing there. She wasn't part of the rioting group. She died instantly. What is the message that is sent by this event? Is it possibly a purposeful attempt to incite something? What? Or does it merely prove that any rube with a helmet can get out on the streets and willy nilly shoot into crowds, when their superiors have GOT to know full well that someone's gonna get maimed or killed.

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Re: Another senseless death

As usual with on-the-ball Alex, this is now on his site www.infowars.com ( on upper left).

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Those crowd-control weapons are lethal in many ways. Tear gas is also very very toxic, but they don't care because the people targetted are usually "enemy combattants".

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Re: Another senseless death

ermolai wrote:

Those crowd-control weapons are lethal in many ways. Tear gas is also very very toxic, but they don't care because the people targetted are usually "enemy combattants".

yeah, "enemy combattants" and what the general public refuses to realize is that the Patriot Act of Oct. '01 singles out large portions of the population and labels them as enemy combatants . . .

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It really tends to verify the connections we and others have made, that all who do not belong to the MCS control group are enemy combantants to the system, and all that is required to legally kill this "combatant" who doesn't even know he/she is one, is that he/she be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

6 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-10-24 10:38:59)

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SednaSphere wrote:

It really tends to verify the connections we and others have made, that all who do not belong to the MCS control group are enemy combantants to the system, and all that is required to legally kill this "combatant" who doesn't even know he/she is one, is that he/she be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ugh, ugh, ugh.


Hi Sedna,

Actually, I disagree and have the opposite view.  I even thought this yesterday while reading the article, wondered about "where was her protection when this happened?"

The answer:  Either she didn't have any, (will leave that one open to interpretation), or, she agreed ahead of time that this is how/when she wanted to go, for whatever reason.  Either she felt it was her own personal karma for something, or....she chose it for "a greater purpose."  Think about it:  Everybody's all riled up now about this, and the Boston police department is backed against the wall having to answer for this.   And it won't just be Boston, it'll be all PD's everywhere who are so quick to whip out their "riot gear" and start going after crowds.   Maybe something bigger will come out of this?

So yeah, I actually think this is anything BUT a senseless death.  All things for a reason, even if we can't see what that reason is or understand the bigger picture at the time.  Which is another thing I've only recently come to realize -- just how much stuff happens around us which seems negative at the time but only because we are unable to see the bigger picture.  The bigger picture often doesn't manifest until weeks - months - years down the line.   If we were 4D with the ability to see outside of time, things would make more sense.  But we're stuck in linear time, with only the ability to see exactly what is happening around us in our immediate physical space "now."   It kind of sucks.  We really and truly are just as clueless as our pets who are in the dark about what most of the 3rd density stuff is around them.  smile  They don't fully understand the base workings of 3D; we understand the base workings of 3, but then  don't fully understand the workings of 3D that are controlled / manipulated / planned by 4, 5 and 6 D. 

And I also definitely disagree with your assertion that those MCS "combatants" will be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time.  It doesn't work that way.  If you're fully souled and it's not your time to go, then you won't go.  Period.  You WILL have protection or just flat out intervention.  There is no "wrong place at the wrong time".   This is a connection that I've personally made by observing my own life and others as well, and also by reading people's accounts of intervention and protection.   I put two and two together and realized that matters of death and killing are not what they would like to have us believe.    But to completely suppress the truth would violate free will.  So, we all have our stories about mysterious protection and intervention, and all they can really do is just try to convince us not to pay attention to what our own experiences are telling us, and simultaneously convince us that death is random and we have no control over it, so live in fear.   If we choose to ignore what our own experiences are telling us, that's our choice.  They've accomplished their goal without having to violate freewill.     And if we choose to NOT ignore it, then we become empowered and they've lost another victim.

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I see several layers of meaning to this event.

First it exposes something important: that these weapons ARE lethal. Many many people have been badly injured by them (becoming blind, getting lung cancer several months after having inhaled much tear gas, etc) but the media never reported this because they were protestors and "got what they deserved" (or alternatively "chose to take such risks" -- good way to reject responsibility). This event creates a hole, that the MCS will patch up quickly, but which will nonetheless allow some to open their eyes.

Second, like lyra said, it serves the MCS ideology by making people buy even more on the idea that they can get killed by "accident". It will make people fly away from any situation which is rather tense, and thus population control will be easier for them.

Lastly, while it's true they cannot kill us like this, if you continue doing something despite many clues / warning signs, then you act like a fool, using wishful thinking, which is a "hole" that they can use to kill you. I say this from personal experience, I've been "saved" in a situation similar to the one discussed in this thread, but this also allowed me to open my eyes to the harshness of reality. If I did not get the clue and kept on going on blindly, I do not know if my guides / higher self could have saved me again.

What I mean is that this "incident" could be a "clue" to remind you that all social niceties are just the surface and they in fact don't care about killing, and are ready to use not-so-non-lethal weapons if they wish to. This is especially important for Americans here. Please don't act like a fool and rush in the streets to riot if/WHEN martial law is declared. This is exactly what they want you to do. They count on naivety to catch as many dissident as possible.

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ermolai wrote:

What I mean is that this "incident" could be a "clue" to remind you that all social niceties are just the surface and they in fact don't care about killing, and are ready to use not-so-non-lethal weapons if they wish to. This is especially important for Americans here. Please don't act like a fool and rush in the streets to riot if/WHEN martial law is declared. This is exactly what they want you to do. They count on naivety to catch as many dissident as possible.

Excellent point -- one which I already got a long time ago.  But for those of us who haven't been getting uncensored news already for the past few years, this definitely should be at least a first warning sign.   The fact of the matter is that our society is rapidly changing from one in which dissent is protected free speech under the First Amendment to one in which it is viewed as a challenge to state authority and will be dealt with harshly. 

For any newbies here that are still getting their news from CNN and the papers, now would be an excellent time to start paying attention to independent sources.

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Hmm. I think the last two posts expressed what I was trying to say by posting this newspoint. I'm aware, Lyra, of the fact the people do not die if it is not their time. That's the very reason I asked about the "meaning" factor...events are never simply what they appear to be on the surface. I don't feel that its necessary for me to watch my words so carefully, however, that some people might miscontrue the word "senseless" to infer callousness on my part, particulary in regards to a concern for a larger awareness as to how such events affect the larger consciousness. In fact, that is just the point that I was implying: they do have an effect, and nothing is by chance. Senseless, to my mind, does not imply that, thought perhaps I should have looked in a dictionary before using it? I sort of don't get why you say you are disagreeing with me, Lyra, as it seems to me that on this topic we are saying essentially the same thing.

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I sort of don't get why you say you are disagreeing with me, Lyra, as it seems to me that on this topic we are saying essentially the same thing.

Actually, we're not essentially saying the same thing.   You wrote:

"It really tends to verify the connections we and others have made, that all who do not belong to the MCS control group are enemy combantants to the system, and all that is required to legally kill this "combatant" who doesn't even know he/she is one, is that he/she be standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ugh, ugh, ugh."

I don't agree with this. (please see my above response for why.)    You say that this incident "verifies" that all who do not belong to the MCS control group can be killed by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Which implies that death is random and that we have no control over.  This isn't true, and so I posted the alternate view on this matter for everybody to consider.

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Oh, okay. I get it now. But I didn't mean to imply her death was random, at all. In fact, the opposite. But your insights are no doubt sharp and cut to the quick of it in many ways. I guess the sight of these riot outfits scares me so much that I have a knee-jerk reaction. I don't know. It just seems incredibly sad and emblematic of our times, at least in the mood I am in. I've got the same thing Aprogas has got sometimes: a bad case of the "dark view" of things. Sorry, it's a pretty bad habit.

Yes, the Scorpios know about death and transformation in some uncanny way. I'm still weighing many things...even things I have recently learned, such as some of the views you have on this, and other Montalk ideas and articles.

But I won't be caught unawares: I tend to snap to attention pretty quickly when it comes to death!My view of it is that it is, in its essential nature, not something to go into a "woe betide" attitude of platitudes and words over, but rather, to be aware of how it stalks us.


I guess my attempt to be "gonzo" didn't work! It's really rather funny when I think about it. When I try it , it often doesn't work, because people can tell I deliberate over it too much. Uh, so....


I've gotta get outta here....heh.