31 Reply by cameron (edited by cameron 2004-04-21 18:34:43)

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Re: What is the Internet?

Also, from this article:

The facts may be seeping out. Last Thanksgiving, the New York Times reported that Google had crossed the 100,000-server mark. If true, that means Google is operating perhaps the largest grid of computers on the planet. “The simple fact that they can build and operate data centers of that size is astounding,“? says Peter Christy, co-founder of the NetsEdge Research Group, a market research and strategy firm in Silicon Valley. Christy, who has worked in the industry for more than 30 years, is astounded by the scale of Google’s systems and the company’s competence in operating them. “I don’t think that there is anyone close.“?

and...

It’s this ability to build and operate incredibly dense clusters that is as much as anything else the secret of Google’s success. And the reason, explains Marissa Mayer, the company’s director of consumer Web products, has to do with the way that Google started at Stanford.

Wait, didn't our other thread on gyroscopes and superconductivity mention Stanford?  Like Princeton, perhaps Stanford is home to some major research cover-stories.

Working at Google, an engineer told me recently, is the nearest you can get to having an unlimited amount of computing power at your disposal.

It wasn’t just the dot-com crash that caused significant layoffs and the abandonment of the company’s California offices: Akamai’s cofounder and chief technology officer Danny Lewin was aboard American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11 (note: Akamai is Google's biggest competitor.  Does 'someone' want Google to succeed?) and was killed when the plane was flown into the World Trade Center. Company morale was devastated.

Yes, a few other organizations are also running large clusters of computers. Both NASA's Ames Research Center and Virginia Tech have large clusters devoted to scientific computing. But there are key differences between these systems and the clusters that both Google and Akamai have created.

If anyone is working feverishly towards a worldwide centralized computer processing center, it's Google.

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Re: What is the Internet?

-  what will business look like when all the computational power is centralized in a world computer?

What about Iranians, Iraqi's, North Korean's etc.? What will have developed with those countries by that time?

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33 Reply by murphy (edited by murphy 2004-04-21 19:30:49)

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Re: What is the Internet?

Auendove wrote:

A friend of mine emailed me one day a few months ago and told me the reason why I have so many problems (they're ongoing problems) with my computer and car is because I often reach new energetic levels and the machinery around me can't "keep up."  Ahem! Oye! ...he told me to have a "talk with the machines" as a co-creator to bring them up to speed with me.

Just for the heck, get a load of this [non-validated] link:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/03/10 … essed_pcs/

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Re: What is the Internet?

Hi murphy!

I read the first sentence of the link and smiled... yes, crazy as it sounds, I have considered "possession" as a reason for the machines' ill performance... stranger things have been known to happen, yes?  I had even made an initial comment in that post that I thought my computer had "gremlins" in it, and then deleted it.

If the 'lil buggers can't latch onto my person/energy (they're just not allowed) to wreak havoc in my life and distract me, then why not muck around with me through something as important to my life as my vehicle and my computer?  Who knows what lurks where my eyes may not follow?  Hmmm, possession by proxy?  GACK!!!

For now the car and 'puter are up and running, and after I made my post yesterday it occurred to me, DOH!, that I might consider empowering my machines on a daily basis, rather than waiting until they break again.  HA! ...I can't believe I just wrote that "outloud!" roll

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Re: What is the Internet?

Well, if the plan is to create a super computer / centralized processing control system, then they would be quite interested in the limits of Data Storage.

Here's an interesting quote from this article:

The researchers noticed that the magnetic patterns left behind were somewhat chaotic, an unacceptable outcome when it comes to storing precise bits of data.

The project was led by researchers at Stanford and included a scientist at the Landau Institute for Theoretical Physics in Moscow and engineers at disk-drive maker Seagate Technologies LLC.

There's that Stanford again.  <head scratching occurs>

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Re: What is the Internet?

Another clue to the puzzle:

link


"Nonlinear nets approach runway to wireless apps"

HANCOCK, N.H. – Recent research is revealing how to harness the nonlinear operation of biological neural networks to create a more powerful architecture for applications in telecommunications and robotics.

[...]Using Jaeger's ESN model, a network satisfying certain minimal specifications is randomly connected with random synaptic weights specified at the connections. One specification is that the network must have feedback loops, turning it into a nonlinear system. The feedback loops produce an echo effect-a single input will cause the network to continue operating, outputting a reverberating signal over time. Hence the name "echo-state network."

[...]Jaeger characterizes nonlinear networks as "beautiful beasts," since they would have a power far beyond current networks, but are essentially untamable.

[...]In benchmark runs on predicting chaotic time series, Jaeger found that the ESNs were more accurate by a factor of 2,400 than standard techniques.

[...]"One typical application example would be the use of ESNs for dynamic-channel assignment in next-generation (fourth generation) high-data-rate cellular networks-up to 1 Gigabit per second-which will operate in an ad hoc and self-organizing fashion," he explained.

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Re: What is the Internet?

Auendove wrote:

For now the car and 'puter are up and running, and after I made my post yesterday it occurred to me, DOH!, that I might consider empowering my machines on a daily basis, rather than waiting until they break again.  HA! ...I can't believe I just wrote that "outloud!" roll

Truth is stranger than fiction, and if everyone could see what psychics and LSD'ers are "privileged" to see - their hair would stand on end.

Believe me, you're not imagining it. The most subtle part, is that it's intermingled, because as humans, of course, we're all prone to mistakes, absentmindedness, losing stuff, so sometimes it really is our own errors. But these entities use that against us to make us think "hey, I'm really going senile".

Another thing I'm practically convinced of, is that they have been tampering with my field of vision. Like, they can tweak the fine print of ads (both unline & offline) so that I "overlook" a vital stipulation in an ad, or else I might read the ad saying that it's a "full set" when it's really just a single item, causing me to have grossly overpaid. And when I read the ad again I groan "how can that be? I was sure I read it differently!" You would think that after enough repetitions of this scenario I'd have learned to be doubly cautious! Well, that's exactly what I am, yet it continues to happen. In other words, though I have no proof, I suspect that they create illusions within the illusion of life, sorta like magicians' sleight of hand. The latest example: I've been expecting both a techie as well as an alternative practitioner to get back to me for days already. I'm still waiting - my life is constantly on hold WAITING for people who have become distracted, and I have absolutely no doubt anymore that those distractions are created by entities because invariably these people wind up excusing themselves along these lines: "suddenly XXX happened and therefore blah blah blah..." Then they go on to exclaim "this never happened before!" If each of these NUMEROUS-BUT-SEPARATE people would realize how many others have mimicked mirror words to me, they'd flip their lids! Some apt titles for my life might be "Heads They Win, Tails I Lose" or "Alice in ManipulationLand".

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Re: What is the Internet?

From elsewhere...

Celephais...

There is a thread at http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=109 titled "what is the internet?"

I posed some questions there that haven't been answered.

The thread speculated about the nature of intelligence and if some networks similar to the internet were capable of achieving AI and how that AI would function.

I suggested reality is holographic and that ALL levels of reality were involved in the same struggle to achieve [control?] AI. I wondered if this was good or bad.

What is AI?

Is it an independent intelligence created by the sum of the parts providing it information?

Lets speculate about this at two levels.

1) What is a human?

Can our nervous system be considered a network that presents information to our ego from the individual components of our body (workstations) so our ego can achieve intelligence? I think so.

Our ego is maintained by this network, without it we wouldn't exist here.

Mechanically if our ego ignores the input of our body it risks disolution from wandering into dangerous situations which abound.

The individual workstations (cells) of our body depend on our ego to process the information it gets to allow it to provide the sustenance the workstations require in order to exist.

So who runs the show?

STS.... The ego decides it is in charge and utilizes or ignores input from its internal network at will. The ego becomes subjective by only acknowledging information it desires to acknowledge. Is this AI? Is this Freewill? Is this a centralized network?

STO... The ego decides it is part of a system that is controlled by the workstations and direction is set by the consensus of the individual components. ALL information is processed and given equal consideration so the system is objective. Is this AI? Is this freewill?  Is this a distributed network?

So who are we? If we are STS are we our ego? If we are STO are we the representative of our parts (workstations)?

2) The human race...

Is the internet equivelent to our nervous system and the "human consciousness" equivelant to our ego?

If the human race is going in a direction that is not directed by the majority of humans is the "human consciousness" AI? Is it STO or STS? Is it subjective or objective?

Is the planet earth 1 cell in the organism we call the universe? Is the human race 1 workstation in the network of the universe?

Is one cell equivelant to a universe?

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39 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-04-23 09:50:52)

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Re: What is the Internet?

murphy wrote:
Auendove wrote:

For now the car and 'puter are up and running, and after I made my post yesterday it occurred to me, DOH!, that I might consider empowering my machines on a daily basis, rather than waiting until they break again.  HA! ...I can't believe I just wrote that "outloud!" roll

Truth is stranger than fiction, and if everyone could see what psychics and LSD'ers are "privileged" to see - their hair would stand on end.

Believe me, you're not imagining it. The most subtle part, is that it's intermingled, because as humans, of course, we're all prone to mistakes, absentmindedness, losing stuff, so sometimes it really is our own errors. But these entities use that against us to make us think "hey, I'm really going senile".

Another thing I'm practically convinced of, is that they have been tampering with my field of vision. Like, they can tweak the fine print of ads (both unline & offline) so that I "overlook" a vital stipulation in an ad, or else I might read the ad saying that it's a "full set" when it's really just a single item, causing me to have grossly overpaid. And when I read the ad again I groan "how can that be? I was sure I read it differently!" You would think that after enough repetitions of this scenario I'd have learned to be doubly cautious! Well, that's exactly what I am, yet it continues to happen. In other words, though I have no proof, I suspect that they create illusions within the illusion of life, sorta like magicians' sleight of hand. The latest example: I've been expecting both a techie as well as an alternative practitioner to get back to me for days already. I'm still waiting - my life is constantly on hold WAITING for people who have become distracted, and I have absolutely no doubt anymore that those distractions are created by entities because invariably these people wind up excusing themselves along these lines: "suddenly XXX happened and therefore blah blah blah..." Then they go on to exclaim "this never happened before!" If each of these NUMEROUS-BUT-SEPARATE people would realize how many others have mimicked mirror words to me, they'd flip their lids! Some apt titles for my life might be "Heads They Win, Tails I Lose" or "Alice in ManipulationLand".


Murphy,

This topic was supposed to be about the internet, and the ideas of AI and machines' interactions with humans, and yet once again, you've managed to post a "woe is me, I'm a victim" post which has nothing to do with the topic, and only serves to complain endlessly about how everyone and everything is out to victimize you, and trying to draw everybody in to your neverending personal problems.   And by the looks of all your posts..........your personal problems never end.  It's mind boggling.   Are all of your posts on this forum going to be this way?!   I mean honestly.  Your posts just always have such an incredibly negative feel to them, always talking about how you're a victim, how everybody's out to get you, how nothing ever works out for you, how you're always under attack.  I addressed this over on your "Thanks for starting this board Montalk" thread where you had this post that was just nothing but victimization.....as usual!

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40 Reply by murphy (edited by murphy 2004-04-23 12:50:26)

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Re: What is the Internet?

opetero wrote:

There is a thread at http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=109 titled "what is the internet?"

I posed some questions there that haven't been answered.

The thread speculated about the nature of intelligence and if some networks similar to the internet were capable of achieving AI and how that AI would function.

I too have occasionally posted questions on Nobel Realms which haven't been answered, so I can sympathize, even while I personally can't grasp your way of thinking (nor Tom's nor Cameron's). It's just beyond my comprehension, even though I carefully read every word.

Believe me, if I had anything of value to respond I would do so, because I can see alot of thought was put into your questions.

That's why I can sorta relate to what Cafth says below about "not belonging here" (even while I can't understand most of the articles):

UPON CLICKING, SCROLL DOWN TO END:
http://members.aol.com/cafthtalks/volumetwo/CS2_11.htm

Seems that in this world, if there are only two people who are complementary/kindred spirits of each other, forces contrive to deliberately keep them from hooking up to each other.

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Re: What is the Internet?

Hi murphy...

It is ok that no one has responded to my questions smile

Seems like there are good people here and learning about each others ideas (even if we don't understand them) helps build communication. Feel free to ask for clarification if you are curious. Explore other ideas if you are not smile

"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief." Gerry Spence
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Re: What is the Internet?

Murphy wrote:

I too have occasionally posted questions on Nobel Realms which haven't been answered, so I can sympathize, even while I personally can't grasp your way of thinking (nor Tom's nor Cameron's). It's just beyond my comprehension, even though I carefully read every word.

Murphy, when I don't understand someone else's way of thinking, I ask them to clarify it.  By not taking this step, you relinquish the right to complain about not understanding.  Of course, it's "specifics" that matter in understanding.  The devil's in the details.  One who searches not for details, searches not for understanding.

If someone doesn't answer my questions, I keep asking, and I also look elsewhere for answers.  Then, if I find something of interest, I usually get back to the people who didn't respond to my initial request, and inform them of my findings.  Most likely people just don't have an answer to your question.  Don't assume it is because YOU posted the question that it is not being answered.  For example, if you find out why your eyes are overly sensitive, and you find out what the LCD screen does for to this sensitivity, I would be interested to hear this.

Does this make sense?

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43 Reply by murphy (edited by murphy 2004-04-26 17:21:59)

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Re: What is the Internet?

opetero, it's http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/JudySmith/ok.gif by me that it's http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/JudySmith/ok.gif by you!

cameron, I'll email you privately so as to keep your thread on-topic.
http://img3.photobucket.com/albums/v32/JudySmith/ok.gif?

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Re: What is the Internet?

I thought about where to post this concept, and it seemed an appropriate response to this thread.

What is the Internet?

Well, one thing it is is a network.  I've been witnessing an intense and highly enthusiastic example of networking over on this forum.  Before you read through the thread, here is the intention for posting it here.

- good ideas come and go
- often times they go due to lack of awareness and financial support
- this community is presenting a new approach to raising capital for a small business venture
- a venture which will directly benefit each individual investor
- as well as reinventing the concept of collective ownership, and publicly traded stock
- the proof is in the pudding
- people came, people supported, money was raised, people were pleased

There is much to gleam from this example, and it is best to just read through and see what strikes you.

(the caveat is: I did buy into this concept and am not trying to sell you on it.  in fact, it is no longer being offered (there was only 200 spots available).  so, it just offers as an example of the networking principle, and how it may be used in the future to solve problems, and provide tangible solutions to communities of like-minded individuals.  as well, this particular story is just beginning, time will tell if the investment was wise or not - the point being made is the mode of using the internet for networking)

MU'06

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Re: What is the Internet?

Found today on rense.com:   http://rense.com/general53/great.htm