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Topic: Some thoughts I had recently

Well it appears that Bill O Riley had phone sex with one of his producers while masturbating with a vibrator.  The same Bill O Riley that claims he is a traditional Irish Catholic from Levittown.  The moralist that praises the family, and claims that a high moral standard is very important. 

I see an interesting trend here.  Bill Bennet turns out to be a compulsive gambler.  Rush Limbaugh- who said that all drug users should be locked away- gets addicted to oxycontin, and claims that it is ok for him because he has a problem.  Disgusting.

But what's going on here? I think to myself.  Sometimes I wonder if these people are being exposed to undermine the ideals behind family and traditional Christianity.  As much as I dislike the concept of catechized sheep following a ridiculous programming, at least most Christians believe in the institution of the family and family closeness, and although its usually an ignorant, oblivious closeness, it is still there, and still an impediment to the NWO breakdown of love for other human beings, and frames happiness found in pursuing the love and respect of each other over careers, money and vice. 

One part of me thinks that this is a manifestation of our projected reality again, we're seeing this because most of us are hypocrites that don't live up to a standard we preach therefore our famed humans (which I always have seen as vacuous mirror that reflect back what we are to us, if that makes sense) will take on these characteristics.  But as aforementioned, I do believe that these exposures tend to help, albeit slightly, the agenda of moral anarchy which breaks down any standard we should live to (designed by our inner God- or ourselves because we are God) and makes it instead a standard of avaricious accumulation or self-worship.

Which leads me to another musing I have been having, or rather a bit of gnosis.  For a while, I have heard Buddhists say that everything exists in a balance.  One thing someone said is that the reason there are so many poor suffering people in the world, is because we have it so good.  The reason why they starve is that we waste, came to me the other day.  For example, I see, in numerous places, human beings in my area waste a ton of food, water, paper etc.  And for some reason it just made sense to me that we waste food in an inverse relationship to those that crave food.  Because I threw out a bottle of water, someone in the world did not get that produced necessity, and therefore did not get to have it. 

Next, I read this Bob Dobbs article that was posted under the links section here on this site.  Really interesting read.  One thing Dobbs said that I thought was interesting though is that all technology does not really exist.  For example, he says that when we exchange a message over the internet, it's really telepathic communication, which we always could do, but I guess now we are convinced we can do it.  The technology did not make this a real ability, our imaginations convinced made this ability.  So I guess what he is saying is that the manifestation of external technology is the "below" part of our internal imaginations, which would be the "above" part, in the hermetic phrase "As is above, so is below."  Or that was my spin on it because Bob Dobbs is so off the wall- between crazy gnosticism and his own allegorical interpretation of life- that you can anywhere with it.    I think what Dobbs is really saying by the end is that we create reality and his situation is his crazy model.  Anyway, I really want to know what you people think about this idea or your reactions to the Bob Dobbs article.

I have been introducing myself to Gurdjieff too from the links section.  His style is really tough, but sometimes it is quite poetic and rewarding.  The more I read Beelzebub’s tale, and also about Gurdjieff’s life from his early travels to his times with Ouspensky, it seems like he was conveying the same extremely vague, subtle, complex thoughts that flow through my mind and I can sort of grasp sometimes, but that words and current communications make really tough to grasp, articulate and convey, but Gurdjieff is letting his writing flow straight from his poetic subconscious.  Anyway, if anybody has anything interesting they want to share on Gurdjieff or theories- something far out would be cool, I read some theories on what he meant about the moon- on him please respond.  Personally, I think he was a Gnostic that realized we program belief about the world in ourselves, but that too many of us were unaware that we were programmed as youths. 

This kind of reminded me of On Liberty by John Stuart Mill which I was reading for a class.  Mill talks about how we need to encourage a wealth of opinions in a society and use our mental faculties to sift through what has truth and what makes sense.  It was amazing because Mill says (and this is 19th century England) that there is some truth in everything and we must find it by allowing all opinions to be deliberated upon by all.  Mill predicts a troubling direction for society because he sees people around him programmed into Calvinism for instance, and that they do not think about why they do things of custom and conformity, rather they are (his expressions) ape-like, mechanical and like cattle.  It was so interesting and refreshing to read this kind of thought.  I highly recommend On Liberty- Chapter 3.   

Finally, after listening to that very interesting Jordan Maxwell interview, I went to his website and saw a link for a video about our money being some sort of free will acceptance to let beings drain energy from us.  Immediately something hit me.  Now I don’t know about you, but I have always had a fascination with the one-dollar bill since I learned about the symbols on the back of it.  I still, after years, look into the eye on the top of the pyramid, and some strange feeling of mystical awe comes over me.  This, coupled with the nature behind our money (it’s owned by private banks, which are owned by private individuals, and lent to us, thus really it is a debt which our sovereignty is exchanged for since we borrow the fiat money and therefore become debtors) led me to think that perhaps this is a very important facet of our world.  If these symbols, like all occultists claim, really contain some sort of power, perhaps the one dollar bill, and all money, basically relegates us to committed slaves of occultist power, or slaves to the devil (whoever is behind this).  Because we acknowledge legally (I won’t get into SSN#s admiral courts, etc. I think you all know about that) that we take on this debt (and this debt is the power that their worthless money affords us), we become owned by the owners of the currency and our desire to share that power which it affords us, though by technicalities that we are kept ignorant. So that eye above the pyramid that I get a weird awe-struck feeling whenever I peer back it, really is like looking back to our Gods, which we have ceded part of spiritual sovereignty for in exchange for the power to consume or whatever other power their evil equalizer affords us.  The more and more debt we take on, and the more and more that is never repaid (which it never can be unless we first end the current monetary system), the more and more these spiritually evil forces (whomever or whatever it is- the devil, lizards, our own corrupt natures projected, I’m not sure) can claim we are rightfully theirs, until they control us completely.

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This also may explain why TPTB might be so powerful right now.  If we are exchanging our power to live sovereignly, perhaps this is the secret behind occultism and the kings and dictators of the past.  Perhaps they found a way, a long long time ago, an occult doctrine of some sorts, that explained to them how through ritual and sacrifice, they could somehow take the sovereign power inside us individually, and channel it toward acheiving their dominion over earth.  Only now they discovered s manipulative system that perpetually keeps them amassing power until they have complete reign over the earth.

Re: Some thoughts I had recently

AZ1 wrote:

Well it appears that Bill O Riley had phone sex with one of his producers while masturbating with a vibrator.  The same Bill O Riley that claims he is a traditional Irish Catholic from Levittown.  The moralist that praises the family, and claims that a high moral standard is very important.

Hehe. And this surprises you? This kind of two-faced, double standard behavior is pretty much the norm nowadays.

AZ1 wrote:

I see an interesting trend here.  Bill Bennet turns out to be a compulsive gambler.  Rush Limbaugh- who said that all drug users should be locked away- gets addicted to oxycontin, and claims that it is ok for him because he has a problem.  Disgusting.

It could be argued that all drug users have a problem; that problem being an inability to deal with the harsh realities of modern life. People who get judgemental about drug addiction are simply betraying their own ignorance about the human condition.

AZ1 wrote:

But what's going on here? I think to myself.  Sometimes I wonder if these people are being exposed to undermine the ideals behind family and traditional Christianity.

That has been and will continue to be an important part of the agenda.

AZ1 wrote:

But as aforementioned, I do believe that these exposures tend to help, albeit slightly, the agenda of moral anarchy...

Moral anomie would be a much better definition. Even anarchy has standards ;-)

AZ1 wrote:

Which leads me to another musing I have been having, or rather a bit of gnosis.  For a while, I have heard Buddhists say that everything exists in a balance.  One thing someone said is that the reason there are so many poor suffering people in the world, is because we have it so good.

Well, this is exactly how the monetary system works. Every country in the world has to borrow the money it uses, whether through direct government borrowing or individual credit, and agree to pay that money back to the private banking cartel with interest. For you to have $100 in the bank means that someone else in the world is $100 in debt. The wealthy are only wealthy at the expense of countless others.

AZ1 wrote:

The reason why they starve is that we waste, came to me the other day.  For example, I see, in numerous places, human beings in my area waste a ton of food, water, paper etc.  And for some reason it just made sense to me that we waste food in an inverse relationship to those that crave food.  Because I threw out a bottle of water, someone in the world did not get that produced necessity, and therefore did not get to have it.

Sure. The western world has huge reserves of food (and other luxuries), while third world countries starve because they are exporting the food that they produce in order to make interest payments to the banks.

AZ1 wrote:

Anyway, I really want to know what you people think about this idea or your reactions to the Bob Dobbs article.

Well, technology is just a means to an end, although to say it doesn't exist is a little off. Telepathy is direct mind-to-mind communication and wouldn't require the intermediary of a computer and a global network in order to establish such. But, yes, there are parallels.

AZ1 wrote:

The more and more debt we take on, and the more and more that is never repaid (which it never can be unless we first end the current monetary system), the more and more these spiritually evil forces (whomever or whatever it is- the devil, lizards, our own corrupt natures projected, I’m not sure) can claim we are rightfully theirs, until they control us completely.

"The devil, lizards, our own corrupt natures" from a higher perspective are all the same thing; a low-vibrational mode of consciousness flowing in a downward spiral. This type of consciousness does have a lot of power in third density because it is pretty much their territory (here I am reminded of Smith screaming, "This is my world!" to Neo in Revolutions). But we are not theirs, and all forms of control are ultimately illusory.

AZ1 wrote:

This also may explain why TPTB might be so powerful right now.  If we are exchanging our power to live sovereignly, perhaps this is the secret behind occultism and the kings and dictators of the past.  Perhaps they found a way, a long long time ago, an occult doctrine of some sorts, that explained to them how through ritual and sacrifice, they could somehow take the sovereign power inside us individually, and channel it toward acheiving their dominion over earth.  Only now they discovered s manipulative system that perpetually keeps them amassing power until they have complete reign over the earth.

That has been their plan for thousands of years, but they can only take away our sovereign power if we give it to them by refusing to accept responsibility for ourselves and our role in creation.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

Re: Some thoughts I had recently

AZ1 wrote:

  ... at least most Christians believe in the institution of the family and family closeness, and although its usually an ignorant, oblivious closeness, it is still there, and still an impediment to the NWO breakdown of love for other human beings, and frames happiness found in pursuing the love and respect of each other over careers, money and vice.

My personal feeling is that there will always exist a core group of people, from all walks and religious backgrounds, who will never give up.  I also think this type of love is both divinely inspired and rational at the same time.  It seems quite obvious to me that selling out to the (STS) system automatically takes you from the top of your own pyramid to the bottom of theirs -- and theirs by its very nature is a system where only those at the top can possibly benefit, and all others are effectively slaves, or drones if you will.  For what ever extra material compensation they may receive as a reward for loyalty, they've sold their soul.  That's a big price to pay, and hardly an even trade.

AZ1 wrote:

...  I do believe that these exposures tend to help, albeit slightly, the agenda of moral anarchy which breaks down any standard we should live to (designed by our inner God- or ourselves because we are God) and makes it instead a standard of avaricious accumulation or self-worship.

Probably true.  People see a constant stream of these religious hypocrites getting exposed over the years and perhaps that leads to some people giving up on anything spritual at all -- throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  This is a terrible thing, though I suspect in the cosmic scheme of things it's nowhere near as bad as consciously deciding to sell your soul.   This scenario is at least one in which a person retains their freewill and if they open their mind in the future they still have a soul to claim, which they've just been ignoring. 


AZ1 wrote:

  Anyway, I really want to know what you people think about this idea or your reactions to the Bob Dobbs article.

I missed whichever article you're referring to, but I did read the first few dozen pages of "The Book of the Sub Genius:  The Sacred Teachings of J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs."  I found it incredibly astute and very funny.  I think I'd put it down because it started to dry out a little, but I still have the book on my shelf and perhaps I'll have to dust it off and take a second look.


AZ1 wrote:

... I still, after years, look into the eye on the top of the pyramid, and some strange feeling of mystical awe comes over me ...  I get a weird awe-struck feeling whenever I peer back it, really is like looking back to our Gods, which we have ceded part of spiritual sovereignty for in exchange for the power to consume or whatever other power their evil equalizer affords us.

This is an interesting statement.  I don't know if Maxwell mentioned it in the particular interview I posted (I've got 2 dozen or so saved)  but there is a very important piece of biblical significance to that symbol.  Most people involved in this kind of discussion are aware that it's a symbol of the Bavarian Illuminati, but what they don't know is that it was mentioned several times in the Bible.  In both the Old and New testaments, the Messiah is referred to as the chief cornerstone of the pyramid.  Chief cornerstone refers to the top piece where the eye is pictured.

Re: Some thoughts I had recently

morningsun76 wrote:

This is an interesting statement.  I don't know if Maxwell mentioned it in the particular interview I posted (I've got 2 dozen or so saved)  but there is a very important piece of biblical significance to that symbol.  Most people involved in this kind of discussion are aware that it's a symbol of the Bavarian Illuminati, but what they don't know is that it was mentioned several times in the Bible.  In both the Old and New testaments, the Messiah is referred to as the chief cornerstone of the pyramid.  Chief cornerstone refers to the top piece where the eye is pictured.

The eye and the pyramid symbol dates back at least to the ancient Egyptians, and possibly even further back to Atlantis or Lemuria. As a piece of symbolism, it means different things to different people. To a conspiracy theorist, the all-seeing eye is a symbol of Illuminati control over the masses. To others, the eye is symbolic of God with the pyramid representing the various densities and levels beneath oneness.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe