David Icke - general discussion (Page 1 of 2)

David is one of my heroes, and I've seen him speaking at two venues in the US. He is what he is, and he doesn't care if you agree with him or not. Sure, I don't buy into everything he writes (and he is, IMHO, a little too obsessed with the reptilians), but he remains an amazing source of information about the global elite power structure and the machinations of the NWO mob. As far as his website linking to both real and nonsensical stories, David has often said that he isn't much interested in telling people what to believe by offering only selected sources of information, but rather letting people decide for themselves. The material linked to on his headlines page, whilst always being alternative in nature, is often not related to David's own ideology.

Agreed: I skip over the Pravda links. Silly Russians ;-)

No....didn't say that.   Fallacy of logic!      The Icke headlines page, as far as I know, doesn't publish stuff from NY Times either.   It usually does alternative media material, a lot of Rense stuff, (I know, I know, many out there feel that Rense is pretty 'out there' as well, and I understand.....)  Alex Jones, and all the major alternative sites, etc.   So I was a little surprised when he suddenly began posting Pravda material.   There's "alternative media".......and then there's tabloid.   But maybe it's like Thoth said, maybe he's just offering up a variety of information for people to consider, even if it doesn't reflect his own views.    I would just think he'd be worried about posting tabloid stuff, because it could discredit the headlines page as a whole.   (Then again....some would say the reptilian blood drinking shapeshifters thing is pretty tabloid in itself, eh?    )

Well I finally did it. I've finally gotten around to reading a David Icke book. I've been avoiding him for many years because I thought he was a little too 'far out' for my liking. But this last couple of years I've come across the subjects that David talks about from so many other different sources that I've decided to take him completely seriously - reptilians and all!

Anyway I've been reading 'Tales from the Timeloop' and I've just hit upon an idea...

Naturally one of the chapters that interested me most was his recounting of his ayahuasca experience in Brazil. He mentions the guy who have him the ayahuasca was called Zoe.

Now I actually know Zoe. He was facilitating the first Heart of the Initiate workshop I attended so i spent a week with him and also have had some email contact with him although not for quite a long while.

It's Zoe I have to thank for putting me on to Cassiopaea website and if it wasn't for researching those topics I probably would never have found Montalk. So I guess Zoe is the reason I'm here!

Anyway I have a feeling that if I could get enough people together (say around 15-20) I could probably get him to put on an ayahuasca workshop for us.

So how about Noble Realms goes to Brazil?

How many people here would be interested? Obviously the price would be the sticking point for a lot of people. It aint gonna be cheap. It's the flights that are often the killer. I think the absolute minimum price would be around $1500 but it's more likely to be closer to $2000 or $2500 (that's all inclusive).

Anyway if I can get around 15 people that would seriously be interested in going to Brazil to do ayahuasca I'll drop Zoe a line and see if we can work something out.

Anyone interested?

Andy

morningsun76 wrote:

"Icke is definitely something of a crackpot whose website links real stories alongside those from nonsense sources.  Ditto with his books IMHO.  He's interesting for providing some original and thought-provoking material but must be taken with an entire shaker of salt."

No offense to morningsun76, but to be labeled a "crackpot" in this "upside-down, inside-out world", is to me a badge of honor, and I say thank you to David Icke and all those other "crackpots" out there who are relentless in their pursuit of truth as they see it, and who are striving to get valuable information out to others about the "real world" we all live in.

In spite of all the ridicule and obstacles thrown his way by powerful mainstream forces and others, Icke and others like him continue to write, speak out, and spread the word of truth as they understand it, about this concept of "reality" we've all been so successfully "sold" in the best way they can.  To many, like myself, who are in various stages of the awakening process, Icke is helping to further that process along in a big way, especially in promoting the concept of thinking for yourself, something many have "forgotten" how to do. 

In a world overwhelmingly populated with the mostly "asleep," "hypnotized," and mind-controlled -- and one where truth and awareness are in a constant struggle just to see the glimmer of light in a place so full of darkness -- I believe Icke is to be commended for his courage and sheer relentlessness in the face of such indefinable adversity in continuing his valiant efforts to enlighten so many about this "3-D reality."

I, for one, applaud his courage, and am thankful to have come across his works.

I would be, but not until early next year.

I think it would always be appropriate to have sufficient mental conditioning before doing any type of personal consciousness exploration. What you wrote does testify to the power of Ayahuasca as a very potent means of accessing the higher levels, however.

You're absolutely right Lyra. Aya is not to be taken lightly and never in a million years would I say to anybody they should take it lightly. However I still recommend it to just about everyone who is interested in taking it so long as they are of a sound and strong mind.

I read about JTs experience and I wrote my own opinion about aya when I joined this forum which you can find at http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=477

Ayahuasca is absolutely NOT a walk in the park!! and I don't know a single person in the world who has done Aya that would say that it is. However, experiences like JTs are exceptionally rare. Obviously it is possible, but you're probably just as likely to die in a plane crash getting to Brazil.

I know a lot about aya. I've read several books on the subject of aya and other hallucinogens. I'm probably not an expert on the subject but I know a lot more than most, and I wouldn't recommend something like aya if I didn't consider it to be relatively safe.

I will say that an ayahuasca experience can be extremely intense. It is not for people that are easily freaked out. It really is like taking the Red Pill sometimes, and although that might sound cool, it can also be quite scary. Although saying that, aya is almost always extremeley gentle with first-timers. I absolutely 100% believe that aya is a spiritual teacher and like all good teachers it knows what the student needs.

I've taken aya 10 times now and each time has been with a group of around 25 people.  So collectively that's 250 aya experiences that I've been involved with and I've never known anyone to have a terrible experience. Often many of those people have been first timers and have known very little about aya before they took it.

From my experiences I've never known anyone just looking for some "cool, trippy "shamanic" experience". Most people who come to ayahuasca are long-term spiritual seekers, looking to take their experience and knowledge to a new level, which is exactly what David Icke said about himself. I think that would probably describe just about everyone in this forum.

Also the shaman from Columbia I was with in July said he thought it was good that westerners were becoming interested in ayahuasca, and he positively encourages it so long as people realise how sacred it is and have only pure intentions.

More than anything an Ayahuasca experience is about love, and that's something more westerners need to really and truly understand. I totally understand what David Icke is saying when he wrote "Infinite love is the only truth; everything else is illusion". I had an experience very similar to that myself and I know so many other people who have experienced the same. The love that I experienced while on aya was unlike anything I've experienced ever. That kind of love just doesn't really exist in this 3d realm, and when you experience it - it changes everything!

I totally agree, people should definitely research it, because I virtually guarantee the more research you do, the more likely you will want to take ayahuasca. I used to be very scared of hallucinogens myself when I was younger and it was only through researching and gaining knowledge about the subject that I decided it would be safe for me to go ahead and experience them.

If anyone wants to reseach then I recommend the following books:

Breaking Open The Head
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ … 28-0408623

Food of the Gods by Terrence McKenna
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … mp;s=books

DMT: The Spirit Molecule
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … mp;s=books

Ayahuasca Reader : Encounters with the Amazon's Sacred Vine
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ … 28-0408623

Ayahuasca Visions
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … s&st=*

Ayahuasca: Human Consciousness and the Spirits of Nature
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … mp;s=books

The Antipodes of the Mind: Charting the Phenomenology of the Ayahuasca Experience
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de … mp;s=books

There is also a few short articles about aya on the Heart of the Initiate website written by Ralph Miller:

Ayahuasca: The Univeristy of Gaia
http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/articles_gaia.htm

Letting Go
http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/articles_letgo.htm

Remembering
http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/artic … bering.htm

The Gathering
http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/artic … hering.htm

Andy

Nicely said AZ1, I agree with you totally. I think the reason that most people have negative attitudes towards pyschoactive drugs is because they've long been demonized by the mainstream media and then society.

Is it any wonder that the illuminati controlled media don't want people to take psychoactives when they are by far the best tool for waking people up out of the reality they are trying to condition us to believe in.

You rarely hear positive stories about people taking psychoactives when the reality is that the positive stories far outweigh the negative ones.

I think Bill Hicks said it best with

How about a positive LSD story, that would be newsworthy. Don't you think? Anybody think that? Just once, to hear a positive LSD story. "Today, a young man on acid, realised that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves... here's Tom with the weather."

I think it's a shame that most people are extremely ignorant about the benefits of these substances, especially now that there is so much information about them out there.

My advice to everyone on this forum would be to forget everything you think you know about these substances and do some serious research about them. If you have negative opinions about them then chances are that's because of media conditioning. When the media or society say that something's bad for you then usually the opposite is true.

But as Az1 said. They are not for everyone and bad things can happen particularly if you don't take sensible precautions.

My advice to anyone trying psychoactives for the first time would be:

1) Avoid them if you are suffering from any kind of mental illness

2) Always start with low doses. Don't go in there all gung-ho taking a large dose and thinking you can handle it because chances are you will get your ass kicked. If you decide to repeat the experience then steadily increase your dose each time until you reach a level you're happy and comfortable with.

3) Never take them alone until you feel experienced with them. Have someone with who you trust and ideally they should be sober and know what to do should your trip turn bad. Also make sure you take them in a place that is familiar and that you feel comfortable in. Never do them in a public place or anywhere with lots of people around. Tripping can make you paranoid in the presence of other people particularly if you don't know them.

4) As AZ1 said, always have a strong intention as to what you want to learn or take out of the experience. Don't just take them to 'get high' or whatever.

5) I guess I should also say that psychoactive drugs are illegal in most countries so be extremely careful if you decide to take them. I don't want to be held responsible for people going to prison!

6) If you go picking magic Mushrooms in the wild make sure you know EXACTLY what you're picking and that they are the right ones. There are many different species of mushrooms out there, not many of them are magic and some of them are lethal. I would never go picking for the first time unless you're with someone who is already experienced at identifying the correct type.

If you follow these simple guidelines then you really shouldn't have any problems and chances are you will have a few positive life changing experiences.

If people want to know what they should start with then my advice would be to start with pscilocybin Mushrooms because it's much easier to control the size of the dose and in my opinion a much much nicer trip.

You never know with an LSD tab how strong it's going to be. I also think a mushroom trip feels very natural, obviously because they come from nature. LSD feels quite alien and strange to me. Also a mushroom trip is usually over within about 4 hours, or even much less with a small dose. Whereas as LSD trips can easily last 12-24 hours.

A good place to find out more about psychoactives is Erowid:

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

But there are hundreds more sites if you do a bit of Googling.

For people that want to research the subject further then three books that I really recommend are:

Food of The Gods by Terrence McKenna

Breaking Open The Head by Daniel Pinchbeck.

DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Strassman

Andy