Topic: ABDUCTION EXPERIENCE

1998: MAJOR EVENT
 
in July I return to my childhood home to visit my mother. I have my Wife and two sons with me on this trip. During the visit our sleeping arrangements are that the four of us share the same bedroom on the first floor. This bedroom was once occupied by my elder sisters back in the 70s. My particular bed is directly over my old bedroom which is on the ground floor - There are cupboards downstairs and an attic running the length of the house on the first floor. They combine to amplify sounds so that at this particular spot, on the first floor, you can hear sounds all over the house. Neat! Imagine two paper cups with a piece of string - in between - and you have something like the effect I am trying to explain. As a kid I used to call this spot "the ears of the house." Actually you get the same effect in my old bedroom, downstairs, where you can hear things from above. However, there is no attic on ground level so you don’t hear sounds from the length of the house. 
 
At 12.20 AM I am lying in bed talking to my wife. We notice a strange light shining through the window. It is blue / white and seems to be vibration. The light is not constant. It has a hypnotic effect. Anyway, my wife got up and went to the window to look out. She was amazed because it appears that the light is bending around the corner of the house!! The source of the light is above the house and around the rear of the property. She could not directly see it. However, this light had a distinct edge as it bent at ninety degrees around the corner of the house! What is strange is that I didn’t get up to investigate. This is out of character for me. Instead I stayed in bed remained there while my Wife kept looking out of the window. 
Then I could hear sounds downstairs on my end of the "paper cup. It sounded like lots of kids running around in an erratic and haphazard way. It would start then stop start then stop. Each time this happened my apprehension grew. I am not a coward. I have a black belt in karate and advanced deep sea diver qualifications. However, I was overcome with dread for the sounds I knew so well. 
Then I went unconscious. When I awoke it felt like I was falling into my bed. All my family had splitting headaches even though the window had been open. We all had strange marks on our bodies. Our hosts wanted to know why all the electrical appliances were switched on when they had arisen that morning. This included the radio; dishwasher; television; cooker and record player!!!
 
From this date, for the next two years, I had what can only be described as a "psychic upgrade". This culminated in the symbol / crop circle experience in Wiltshire (1999).

Things I know from childhood that fill in details of the July Event: 
 
I know from childhood that the ETs always approached the family house, in Norfolk, aerially from the east. Always. They would vector in from the direction of the Norfolk broads. From the air my family house was at the middle of the base of a large triangle. The triangle being the recreation ground. The apex of the pyramid would face due east. My house was used by RAF fighter pilots / helicopter air sea rescue (from nearby RAF Coltishal) as a landmark for orientation. The house was that distinguishable from the air. I grew up with a sound knowledge of what all these aircraft, looked like, either from day or night time viewing. The main UFO was usually preceded by an orange / red globe - the size varying between that of basketball and a large television set. From a distance this globe was fiery red but at close quarters it would appear a translucent orange. Also I would observe small white lights low on the horizon at the different compass points. These white lights would have different flashing sequences that ended in all of them moving in an anticlockwise direction along the horizon. This generally happened. After that the main UFO would appear. Sometimes the main UFO was accompanied by a cube like object that would either rotate and tumble or slide noiselessly across and above the house. This cube like object was very large - about the size of a tank and it would have small white / orange and green lights on it. These would move across the object like Christmas lights on a tree. Anyway the main UFO would then appear. This UFO appears like a house size fuzzy orange object. When it comes down to land it turns white and becomes a definite bell like object. This diving bell has rotating lights around the circumference. If the main UFO stays airborne it sends out a blue / white beam that is vibration. This vibration light will send these ETs down on to the ground. The ETS are always set down in the same place at the back of the house. They will either proceed into the house, in the conventional way, through the kitchen door. More rarely they will enter the house, at the front, direct through the walls. I have never seen them enter the house except from ground level. However, my bedroom was situated downstairs so this might be the reason for this.

All the best - Joseph

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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Why do I bother?

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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Joseph, I read your account with interest, as I'm sure others did as well.  Thanks for posting it.

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Thanks MorningSun.Its good to know that you found it interesting.

All the best - Joe

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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Joseph, I remember Montalk mentioning an automatic sound activated tape recorder.  Put it somewhere in the house-maybe experiment with different locations-while the family is sleeping.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

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Another  experience happened when I was around eleven / twelve years old. It was a weekday because I had just arrived home from school in my uniform.The time was around four o'clock in the afternoon. I was ready to wash, change and go out to play football with some friends on the Recreation Ground. There was always somebody at home - my Nan, Mother or one of my sisters. Ring the bell, knock on the door, no answer. Funny where are they? There was a key in my pocket that had been given to me the prrevious week. It was given to me should I ever need to get in the house. Feelings of pride! This was recognition of my growing maturity. The house- key made me feel kind of adult like. As soon as the key went into the lock I had the strangest of feelings. The house had a stillness to it and there was an air of expectation. A static charge went through the key and into my hand. (You know the sensation when you build-up static electricity by rubbing your hand on certain fabrics and then touch some metal object.) Nobody about.

Anyway I went upstairs, to get out of my uniform, and have a shower. This done I retired to the bedroom to get into my clean football-gear and sit on the bed for a bit. I knew that playing against my friends would be exerting so a rest first would be wise. I lay down and shut my eyes. "Why did I just shower if i knew that football would make me all sweaty again?" I lay there with a clean set of fooball kit on my body. Then there was a knock that sounded like it was up on the roof.

In walked my Mother and two sisters. Their walk was odd and stilted. "Hi where have you been?" They did not respond. Their faces were expressionless. Then it happened. Now this is hard for me to retell folks because even I find it difficult to believe. My Mum and Sisters eyes went solid jet black. I went unconcious and then came to again. Instead of my parent and siblings, in the room, there was three weird creatures standing by my bed. Short - about four feet high. No movement. Can't move. Only my eyes could move. Eyes met eyes. Black almond shaped eyes. The three grey creatures all looked the same. the two on the outside watched the one in the middle. Then these two would look at me and then back to their companion again. The one in the middle just looked at me all the time. Each time the creatures heads turned to each other they made this weird gutteral sound. Out of shock or a switching-off I went unconscious again.

When I woke again i was still on the bed but it was pitch black. Looked at my alarm clock and it said eight o'clock. This was Winter so the night was upon me. Got out of bed and ran to the toilet to threw-up. The toilet had a weird smell to it like dead moths. Threw-up again and went back to bed. Woke-up again and now the alarm clock said 7AM in the morning. Went to find my family and tried to explain certain parts of this weird day I had. Not the creatures. Just the missing time. The really odd thing was that nobody else remembered anything odd. "I had come home and went to bed for a sleep and that was all" they said. When did you find me in bed? "When we came in at around 6PM. We let you sleep because we thought you had been to football practice. - your training kit was all muddy and dirty".

This is one of my ET Visitation accounts.

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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Here is one of your keys.

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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Time manipulation?

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

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JOSEPH

thank you for inviting me to conduct a makeshift interview.

i was going to start a new thread but i found this one and it seems to fit perfectly.

now, ive interviewed abductees (mostly on other forums) and the response/feedback was always very bad. either the person (abductee) would ignore the questions and continue rambling about whatever they felt was their message to give , or they would "beat around the bush" regarding my questions.

i think you are alot more grounded and since you openly invited me to ask you questions that shows courage.

my questions are fairly simple, to start out with.

these first few are basically "for the record"

1) i asked you in another thread which type of Grey alien "visits" you.
you responded the Zeta Reticuli Grey Type.

2) my next question is How do you know they are from Zet Ret ?

3) do they communicate with you during abduction experiences, and if so, how ?

4) are you able to communicate back to them? if so, how do they respond?

thats enough for starters.

again, thanx joseph for being open in this matter, i know it is not easy to talk to others about this kind of thing.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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1) Yes  - Sub-Group "Eight Star"

2) They told me! 


3) Telepathy; Symbol Stream; Holograms and Real Physical  Associations to the message they convey..

Progressive sophistication in levels of Communication:-


Lights / Weather Phenomenon

Dream Association / Screen Memories;

Communication in Missing Time ( Flashback);

Ear Tones ( Alternations)

Symbol Stream;

Physical Association;

Hologram;

Telepathy.

RV / CSETI Signal / Vibes and Synchronicity.



4) Yes I able to communicate back using telepathy. At first they did not respond but now they do. I have noticed that the calmer my  mind is the more willing they are to respond to my questions. Most communication is from August through to the end of October.



Questions for you Zonabi:

1) Have you had any abduction or UFO related experiences?

2) Do you have other paranormal experiences?

3) Which Continent do you live on?

4) How did you get interested in the Abduction Scenario - presuming that your answer to Q 1) was negative?   


All the best - Joseph

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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Hi joseph, sorry for not being able to reply sooner.

to answer your questions first (in a fast fashion, as ive got limited time)

1) i have not had any conscious recolection of an abduction or UFO experience

2) some other paranormal experiences, nothing really special besides my own "tripped out" situations , thoughts, and events.

3) western USA (AZ)

4) i became interested in this kind of stuff early on when i learned about (heard about) some Alien stories, such as Betty (R.I.P.) and Barney Hill's story, from several movies i watched as a kid/young adult etc... and once moving out for college i began researching more and more on the internet and also Books that were suggested.

Nothing very interesting, i know. but i am very intriqued by the entire Alien situation, all facets of it, not just abduction scenarios but their history (our history) and all of the events that have happened. even the disinformation is interesting because it shows that something is being hidden...

anyways, here are my next round of questions;

1) can you please elaborite on what Eight Star means. Zeta Reticuli has 2 stars from what i know, Zet 1 Ret and Zet 2 Ret.

2) have you ever asked them why they are 'abducting' you ? and did they respond? what kind of questions have u portrayted to them ?

3) Are you fully aware and able to freely move/ interact during these abductions ?

4) Have you ever touched them physically, and if so, please detail.

we'll keep it at 4 questions per turn.

again i appreciate your openness.

everyone have a great day, and get ready for some global changes !
z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Hi Joseph,

-Just wanted to say thanks for relating your experience here, I find it very interesting.

SM

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Hello Stephen I'm glad you found this interesting.


Zonabi in reply to your questions.

1) can you please elaborite on what Eight Star means. Zeta Reticuli has 2 stars from what i know, Zet 1 Ret and Zet 2 Ret.

Eight Star is the Energy Glyph that the ETs gave me to use. They also use and identify with this Symbol which has meaning to them. The solar disc and crescent moon patterns are superimposed onto the eight star geometric shape. The solar disc / crescent moon represenrt the analytical  and intuiative minds. Eight Star seek to bring ccommunication and contact with those species sharing  common mind charecteristics - a left and right hemisphere brain. each point on the star represent a Consciousness / species.   

2) have you ever asked them why they are 'abducting' you ? and did they respond? what kind of questions have u portrayted to them ?

Their response :-

"The bridge is made of an infinite number of bricks. It stretches from the distant past to an unimaginable future. I am but one brick that spans the void of unknowing to a final place of universal contact.."

I asked them if Abductees were like  the monkey that first stood up in evolution. In terms of the pyshic that was confirmed as a "yes". 

Why were they here?  Response: To retrieve that which was lost in their own evolution.  We are connected with these ETs.


3) Are you fully aware and able to freely move/ interact during these abductions ?

I an fully aware and freely able to move occasionally. More so now that I have learnt to over ride fear.

4) Have you ever touched them physically, and if so, please detail.

Yes I have touched them although this is rare for me. A sort of rubbery  density light and clammy. They are solid although they can also project images of themselves holographically. They can also uncouple their minds from their bodies - ET consciousness appearing as light phenomenon.



My questions -


1)  what is your gender?

2)  what age group are you?

3)  Do you have a belief in God?

4)  Do you like chocolate!?!

All the best  - Joe

"IF YOU FALL DOWN EIGHT TIMES THEN GET UP NINE TIMES"

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JOSEPH wrote:

Why were they here?  Response: To retrieve that which was lost in their own evolution.  We are connected with these ETs.


Hi Joseph,

Thanks for posting your experiences.  I don't profess to know much about aliens, grays and the like, have no experiences that I can recall consciously, although my life has been a strange one indeed....one which does include abductions / interference.  However in my case I think humans are involved.   And I have read extensively on the subject of Grays and Reps, despite lack of personal experience.  The subject has been one of enormous interest since the age of 10.    I did want to comment though on this above quote.  This is one of the most common things we hear about Grays in Gray lore, that they are us in the future, we're linked to them, they're missing something in their DNA, something which was "bred out of them", and now they want to get it back.  And we are that genetic key for them.

With this in mind, I think this is a good jumping off point to discuss the validity of this.    I'll jump in and say that personally, I think it's disinformation.  I think they use this as a hook to ensure that their victims will have sympathy for them and thus be more apt to allow - or even encourage - their abductions.   

Also, I'm not so sure that these "ETs" are even what they claim to be.  I think they're pretty much lying about everything.   To put it bluntly.  They're not here to help us, they're not here to "get back what they lost in their evoluation."  They're most certainly not related to us.   And they aren't even true organic beings.  At best I believe they're cybergenetic probes.   Organic robots, in layman's terms.   Doing the dirty grunt work of whoever - whatever - controls them.  Anything that would abduct another being against their will, trick them, and lie to them is pure STS, plain and simple.  There's no two ways about this.  And not saying that we're any better.  We humans are STS in an STS realm, although many are on their way to STO and working diligently towards that.   But that's what the majority of us are, being that we treat "lower" animals - and other humans - the same way Grays treat us.  But that's a sidetrack subject.     Bottom line is, these beings, whatever they are, are not positive.   It frustrates me when I hear people repeating this stuff about Grays. 

We're all free to believe what we want to believe, and this is what I believe about the Grays, based on my personal research.   I started out believing everything they wanted us to believe.  I mean, you name the claim, I parroted it.   Not anymore.   With my newfound knowledge about MILABS (Military Abductions) over the past few years and screen memories, as well as research into what are probably real, actual genuine Gray abductions, it became clear to me that nothing is what they're telling us it is.  But that's nothing new, really.

If you're interested, I'll post my own personal account of an abduction that happened to me in October 2001 which really screwed me up.  "Gray" screen memories were used, and it was a a doozy, is the only way to put it.  Probably the biggest abduction I've ever had.  My cat wouldn't go near me for a week afterwards, and hissed at me and swiped at me anytime I tried to go near her.     But these screen memories were so REAL.  It's unbelievable.   Hard to believe it was really humans behind it.  I'll share it if you're interested, if not, no worries.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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we would probably all be interested in hearinf any abduction experiences, and this thread is amptly names "Abduction Experience" and im sure JOSEPH wouldnt mind if you share your experiences here as well.

Lyra, let me attempt to show you things in a different picture.

i can understand your feelings towards Grays, and their nasty abduction stories, and even your abduction experience youve hinted at, they do seem negative indeed.

but, theres also a handful of people, or abductees, that will say they arent being treated badly, and in fact some people are benefiting from the information thats being 'given' to them.

first let me ask JOSEPH a question;

1) Joseph- have your abductions ever been "negative" as in they hurt or harmed you in any ways ? if so, please detail.

what im trying to get at lyra is that maybe your experience was a ploy attack by humans (possibly with the help of negative grAys) to make you think grAys(and grEys) are evil ...

another point im trying to make is that theres Grays and Greys. Grays are from Orion and Betelguese and basically they are aligned with the negativity that bounds the Orion area, Dracos etc. These might be the ones making clones that are under control. But theres the Greys which are these ones Joseph is talking about which according to some sources are a group that fled the Orion empire to seek a different lifestle. thus they may look a bit similar, and frankly might act a bit similar, but arent the same.

alot of people would like you to hate Aliens and think they are mutilating abductors... but i dont think thats all there is to it.

Joseph, i asked this earlier, let me rephrase;
2) Have the greys ever told you about their past? more specifically, i am wondering if they hid undeground to escape Orion Empire Rule... any info in this area??

3) the Eight Star symbol - this is to represent all of the different species(aliens) that have contributed to earth?

4) this may sound silly but have you ever asked them anything along the lines of what Lyra is talking about. their bad reputation, connections to other Grays? anything like this? that'd be interesting.

my answers;


1)  what is your gender? Male

2)  what age group are you? early 20s

3)  Do you have a belief in God? somewhat. i think of God more as a creational force(spirit) that permeates throughout the universe

4)  Do you like chocolate!?! not really ( bet u didnt expect that one )



Lyra, just a word of caution - we are probably going to be talking about the Greys and Grays and other things, so you may be hearing things that may "frustrate" you.

In the nicest way possible , id like to propose this question;

Also, I'm not so sure that these "ETs" are even what they claim to be

youre  not sure they are what they claim to be, but you are quick to accept the negative things that are said about them by governments etc ?

if theres one thing ive learned throughout all this, is that there are always 2 sides to something.

well, thats it for now, hope everyone is having a great day!
z

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'