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freeme wrote:

Neomatrix,
I think you misunderstood me.  I was saying that it would be a good idea to build off the fiction that is already out there like morningsun said.

Yeah, I realized that and corrected my original post right as you posted this response. Whoops!

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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ermolai wrote:

Yes. Do you think it takes a genius to realize that the world is being controlled by forces not having our best interest in mind? I think it's clear as daylight, yet from my experience it takes a lot of time to accept it. So it has more to do with a certain willingess to go past the illusion, a certain strenght to cross the line, rather than a pure sharing of information. Analogies are sometimes best to reach/activate the unconscious/soul, without having the information blocked by the conscious/predator's mind (I'm just thinking this is maybe how our higher self also passes information through our dreams?).

How come iit's difficult to accept, I wonder?   Why are some people so traumatized or shaken when...IF....they come to realize the truth about our reality?   To me, it was very easy to accept, and in a way, I knew it alll along.   I've been rebelling against this reality since I was a kid, because, to quote "The Matrix", "Something's wrong with the world.  You've felt it your whole life...like a splinter, in your mind."    Bingo.  So when I was told about the NWO, about conspiracies, it all made perfect sense to me.  What never made sense was the veresion of things they feed us.   THAT'S what felt screwball to me.

Sorry if this is off topic, I just wondered about this as I read this, about taking time to accept that the world si being controlled by dark forces.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:
ermolai wrote:

Yes. Do you think it takes a genius to realize that the world is being controlled by forces not having our best interest in mind? I think it's clear as daylight, yet from my experience it takes a lot of time to accept it. So it has more to do with a certain willingess to go past the illusion, a certain strenght to cross the line, rather than a pure sharing of information. Analogies are sometimes best to reach/activate the unconscious/soul, without having the information blocked by the conscious/predator's mind (I'm just thinking this is maybe how our higher self also passes information through our dreams?).

How come iit's difficult to accept, I wonder?   Why are some people so traumatized or shaken when...IF....they come to realize the truth about our reality?

It's hard to accept that we are pawns, slaves, robots.  The ego doesn't like that.  The ego likes to know that it is in control of itself at least.  If everyone is going to create a book or movie, in my opinion we need to take this factor into account, by- passing the ego somehow. 
Kathy

Never Give Up!

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I think the problem is largely one of inertia. Most people will stubbornly resist change, because change requires effort. Whilst some of us here have obviously been aware that something doesn't make sense about the official version of reality since childhood, that isn't the case for the majority of people. And it goes back to that whole thing about feeling powerless that we talked about. Individually, we all feel completely incapable of changing anything about the present system. However, if humankind actually united in a collective venture to change the world, it could be done practically overnight. The problem is that such a unified effort is never going to happen until we are placed into a position where our survival as a species is dependent upon it. In the meantime, it's easier to forget about our greater species' purpose and just focus on our own little segment of reality, and try and make the best of it.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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freeme wrote:
lyra wrote:
ermolai wrote:

Yes. Do you think it takes a genius to realize that the world is being controlled by forces not having our best interest in mind? I think it's clear as daylight, yet from my experience it takes a lot of time to accept it. So it has more to do with a certain willingess to go past the illusion, a certain strenght to cross the line, rather than a pure sharing of information. Analogies are sometimes best to reach/activate the unconscious/soul, without having the information blocked by the conscious/predator's mind (I'm just thinking this is maybe how our higher self also passes information through our dreams?).

How come iit's difficult to accept, I wonder?   Why are some people so traumatized or shaken when...IF....they come to realize the truth about our reality?

It's hard to accept that we are pawns, slaves, robots.  The ego doesn't like that.  The ego likes to know that it is in control of itself at least.  If everyone is going to create a book or movie, in my opinion we need to take this factor into account, by- passing the ego somehow. 
Kathy


Huh.  Yeah, I suppose that's it.   But it just seems so obvious to me that we're not in control.   How do people manage to make it into adulthood, in this world, still thinking they're in control of things when their entire lives they've been under the thumb of either their parents, their school/teachers, the law, police, the government, and their peers / social conformity.    When you have to work to survive, you're a slave.   When you have to obey laws, you're not free .    When a police officer has the right to cuff you and toss you in jail, you're not in control.  (and to clarify, I'm not talking about the metaphysical aspects of being free and having a say in one's reality, I'm strictly speaking in 3rd density terms of school, laws, rules, jail, oppression, etc.)  And to take it to a bigger level -  even if one can climb the ladder of power in this world, it surprises me that people don't realize that there's a glass ceiling.   That there's only so far you can go if you don't happen to be part of the connected power elite.   To answer my own thought on that I think that's because we've been conditioned in this particular country that ANYBODY can become President.   All you have to do is work real hard, go to college, be smart, and work your way through the political world.  That's all!   And you can be President too, through a free and open election!

X!   

Yes, that probably has something to do with it.   We're presented with a skewed version of the truth, and many take it to heart and don't stop and go, Hmmm, you know, that doesn't feel right to me.   Something is off here.....

Even if people don't stop and consciously think, Hey, I'm not free!   EVERYTHING about their reality is showing them otherwise.   Why don't people see this?!?   I know, I know, ego.  Skewed lies we're conditioned with and which most don't question.   I'm just reminded of a line from the movie Fight Club,which I think was in the book as well, which goes roughly something like, "We were told we would become movie stars amd rock gods.  But we're not.  And we're just realizing this.  And we're very, very angry."

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Religion plays a big part too. A lot of people in America are still bashing the ole Bible quite frequently. These are the people that view the Apocalypse as not only inevitable, but actually quite desirable. "Come save us from ourselves, Lord, because we are not worthy to save ourselves." These people are never going to lift a finger to help, no matter what happens. They'll gladly suffer through this life in some misguided belief that they'll be rewarded for it in the next one.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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The one thing the NWO is most afraid of is the spiritual bond between people. They have ways of dealing with our information campaigns, but no surefire way of getting between two or more awakened souls who are committed to the truth. That is why they've targeted the family unit, and why most social engineering programs of the 20th and 21st centuries have our alienation as a primary goal.

It is good to spread information, but it is better to form living bonds with awakened souls. There is plenty of information out there, but there aren't too many wise people. It important to find these people and ally with them. We can increase each other's wisdom this way.

When you are wise, you no longer need vast amounts of data. Any data that comes your way, no matter how crude or simple, can become a source of wisdom. In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said "If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you." Even the plain material of the physical world has the power to impart wisdom if looked at with discernment. We should aid each other in developing this discernment.

The early Gnostics didn't have an official name for themselves, to the best of my knowledge. I believe they simply referred to each other as "the friends". They didn't have dogma, they didn't have a hierarchical power structure, and they didn't have an elected leader. But they were all on the same page. They were all seeking knowledge. I think we should work on bonding with our friends on the spiritual path. It doesn't matter if it turns out there are a million of us or just seven--we need each other. We need each other more than we need a mountain of information, or a world full of informed automatons.

--Justin

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Stephen M wrote:

Count me in, who's got the money?

Bullsh** walks.


Stephen

I feel I need to explain this as I was in a rather foul mood when I posted it. In retrospect I see that it doesn't make much sense and could easily be taken the wrong way.

It comes from the black slang phrase "Money talks and bullshit walks", which means put your money where your mouth is.

I posted it out of frustration basically.

I should say that the topic of creating something whether it be a movie, book or whatever to educate people of the current situation is something I feel is extremely important and a great idea, but should not be taken lightly. I am currently working on a similar project myself and have experienced some frustrations with it and have begun to suspect some outside interference along with a lot of personal demons coming to light. That is the source of my frustration.

I really don't mean to poo poo the subject matter or any individuals participating or even offer discouragement, it is just that people need to realize that it is not a simple task to do and the closer it becomes to being successful the harder some forces work to prevent it. That being said, I'd love to see a project like this happen and would like to help however I can.

Stephen

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Neomatrix wrote:

Whilst some of us here have obviously been aware that something doesn't make sense about the official version of reality since childhood, that isn't the case for the majority of people.

Maybe this issue is related to being a wanderer or not?


Neomatrix wrote:

And it goes back to that whole thing about feeling powerless that we talked about. Individually, we all feel completely incapable of changing anything about the present system. However, if humankind actually united in a collective venture to change the world, it could be done practically overnight. The problem is that such a unified effort is never going to happen until we are placed into a position where our survival as a species is dependent upon it. In the meantime, it's easier to forget about our greater species' purpose and just focus on our own little segment of reality, and try and make the best of it.

Yes. And this makes me think of blindness. It seems so big and unclear that many prefer to just not do anything, while if they took the first step they would see that many things around them can be changed, that we can move ourselves to different realities and solves parts of the puzzle, one piece at a time.

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lyra wrote:

Even if people don't stop and consciously think, Hey, I'm not free!   EVERYTHING about their reality is showing them otherwise.   Why don't people see this?!?   I know, I know, ego.

Illusion is comfortable, and you can always escape in the "future", when you will be rich/famous/healthy, when there will be all those fantastic technological toys to keep us entertained days and nights. Progress! And by the way it is the same illusion for many people on the spiritual path (or so they think), who just WAIT for humanity to unite again and live in peace. You can make endless promises about the so-called "future", and keep people distracted that way for thousands of lifetimes of suffering...

41 (edited by lyra 2004-10-13 19:31:16)

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czyx wrote:

The one thing the NWO is most afraid of is the spiritual bond between people. They have ways of dealing with our information campaigns, but no surefire way of getting between two or more awakened souls who are committed to the truth. That is why they've targeted the family unit, and why most social engineering programs of the 20th and 21st centuries have our alienation as a primary goal.

It is good to spread information, but it is better to form living bonds with awakened souls. There is plenty of information out there, but there aren't too many wise people. It important to find these people and ally with them. We can increase each other's wisdom this way.

When you are wise, you no longer need vast amounts of data. Any data that comes your way, no matter how crude or simple, can become a source of wisdom. In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus said "If you become my disciples and listen to my words, these stones will minister to you." Even the plain material of the physical world has the power to impart wisdom if looked at with discernment. We should aid each other in developing this discernment.

The early Gnostics didn't have an official name for themselves, to the best of my knowledge. I believe they simply referred to each other as "the friends". They didn't have dogma, they didn't have a hierarchical power structure, and they didn't have an elected leader. But they were all on the same page. They were all seeking knowledge. I think we should work on bonding with our friends on the spiritual path. It doesn't matter if it turns out there are a million of us or just seven--we need each other. We need each other more than we need a mountain of information, or a world full of informed automatons.


czyx, I just had to say, this was a FANTASTIC post, and very true.  And you have a good point.   Everybody here so far has had great points and ideas. 

I had my own realization tonight, and it was something that I think somebody already said here before on NR, but I finally realized it for myself, which was, maybe things can't be changed too much, and that the situation is what it is, kind of like a computer  game / program.   This is what the "program" is, and while little things can be changed, as far as usurping the entire power structure, and overthrowing the entire cabal that runs this planet.....probably not going to happen.  You can manipulate things within the program, but ya can't rewrite / reboot the program!  wink   Those are my lofty dreams though.....!.....and it would be great!   But, let's be realistic.  These power players have something supernatural on their side, whether it's "reptilians", "Grays", "demons" and the occult, or all of the above.   Whatever it is, it REALLY wants things to be this way because they rely on us for food.   So we've incarnated / downloaded ourselves into a relatively set program that is highly STS in nature, and where we have the bare minimum of free will, just enough to skate by, and a little help from something higher, and, that's about it.  That's probably as good as it gets.  We in turn get a chance to evolve spiritually.   The other part of my realization was that the program is this way because.....this is what the majority wants.   If they didn't want it, it wouldn't exist.   We have collectively created this reality.  It's what Ellie Crystal is basically always talking about.  I finally sort of "got it" on my own tonight like a light bulb going off.   What I want to do is reboot the entire program and rewrite the game.  Maybe that's a little bit too lofty??   !!!!   Gotta start somewhere though, and a good place is to figure out what we can reasonably do within the parameters of the "game."

If I'm wrong, someone please feel free to jump in and correctify me!  big_smile   I don't mean to sound cynical and dump a wet blanket on things or kill hope.  That's not the intent of these thoughts.  When I had these thoughts, I had them in a neutral, non-emotional way.  It wasn't surrounded by hopelessness.   And it could totally be wrong.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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Well, Lyra, as you congratulated Czyx on a fantastic post, I will do likewise with this one that you just added here. What you have realized is what many people will never accept, even many of the so-called "spiritually advanced" people (especially the Love and Light brigade). They are afraid of accepting that nothing can really be changed on this planet, because they are incapable of providing a truly spiritual perspective onto the human condition. They talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. You called it a "game", Bill Hicks called it a "ride", and still others refer to it as a "hologram" or "the matrix". Whatever you call it, it is a temporary state of existence which we chose to accept because of the immense opportunities that are inherent within it. But we were never meant to stay here; we simply do what we came here to do, and then move on. There are other options to consider beyond this human incarnational existence.

You made mention of the fact that the "power players" have something supernatural on their side, but never forget that so do we. We are spiritual beings having a human experience; not the other way around. What you are now, this personality, this individual, is but a small fraction of the totality of what you are and what you are becoming. The system has done a masterful job at convincing the great majority of entities here that this is not, in fact, the case. But this forces us to face our fears, and when we can do that (however long it takes), and recognize them for the illusions that they are, it changes us forever. Everyone here is on their own path, and will go through this process in their own unique way. We can look at some of those people, and see where they are at now, and see how the sheer power of their beliefs affects them in such limiting ways; and we can try to assist them if we choose. Ultimately, however, if they are still addicted to all the drama that the human experience inevitably generates, nothing we can say to them will make the slightest bit of difference.

When I first came to this realization, which was not too long ago now actually, it was done in exactly the same state of mind that you describe: very calmly and very neutrally. Looking back, it would not have been possible to do so in any other frame of mind. Having an emotional response to this realization would have largely been a discoloration provided by a conditioned human mind fighting for its survival; a non-emotional, non-hopeless response indicates a much different origin.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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czyx wrote:

we need each other. We need each other more than we need a mountain of information, or a world full of informed automatons.

I'll be the third to say what a great post that was. This is exactly the reason I attend Heart of the Initiate workshops now. For me it's not really about the ayahuasca anymore but about bonding with the people I meet there. I've been on 4 workshops now (2 in brazil and 2 in other places) and as a result I've made so many great friends all around the world that feel ten times closer to me than even my own family.

It's always an unbelievable experience sharing a week with about 20 other like-minded souls from all different parts of the world. Usually about 75% of the people are there because they love Stuart Wilde and have come across it through his website and recommendations.

It's not cheap, but if you can afford it I wholeheartedly recommend the Heart of the Initiate experience. It has quite literally changed my life and I'm going to try and get to Brazil at least once a year from now. Hell I might even be moving there within the next year or two.

Right now I'm getting ready to go to Europe tomorrow to take part in another ayahausca circle which is a fairly secret thing and I've only found out about it through connections I've made through Heart of Initiate. I've got new friends around the UK, friends all around Europe, friends in Australia and lots of friends from USA and Canada, and although I don't see or communicate with them very much, everyone of them feels like a soul mate.

If you can get the money then go to Brazil. I absolutely guarantee you will have an incredible experience and I'm not getting paid a cent to tell you that!

www.heartoftheinitiate.com

Andy

Join me in Peru to celebrate December 21st 2012 - Visit: http://2012awakeningretreat.com/

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OK.

i seriously want to do this, and so i want to begin concepting a storyboard/script for a story/movie.

ive already done alot of stories and ideas, and ive written the begginings of a few scripts... but they end up just sitting there after a while...

please send all correspondants to zonabi@zonabi.com regarding ideas/characters/scenes/plots of the story.

here are some basic thoughts in my mind;

- the story has to be uplifting, not "the end is near" kind of thing (positive in other words)

- it needs to have both a female and male protagonists in order to resonate with both genders.

- it needs to incorporate the following;
-- densities
-- destiny
-- STS / STO (orientation)
-- Aliens
-- Spirits
-- Ghosts
-- Conspiracy
-- more...

all this can be discussed and modified of course

HOLY SMOKES!! I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEA EVER IN THE WORLD...

OMG... this is it! this is it !! let me just ask a question to my friend who knows about creating DVDs to see if this is possible...

---- anyways, seriously, if you all want to come up with a story/movie/cartoon/comic, it can all be done in the same project. small steps first... CONCEPTING. theres a sign at my school that reads;

PRACTICE SAFE DESIGN... USE A CONCEPT.

and it is very true.

post up info here, but also please lets begin sending ideas to each other for reviewing and critique- send me at zonabi@zonabi.com

i have access to good movie cameras at my school, other things you all may want to consider is SPONSORSHIPS to help cover production costs, i was thinking of maybe hitting some YOGA places or MEDITATION places to drop the plan on them and see if they're interested in sponsoring something that will bring enlightenment to the masses...

i would like to see exactly what everyone's thoughts are, what skills or help they are willing to offer, their physical location, and ability to travel...

i will be contacting montalk with some more details

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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czyx wrote:

The one thing the NWO is most afraid of is the spiritual bond between people. They have ways of dealing with our information campaigns, but no surefire way of getting between two or more awakened souls who are committed to the truth. That is why they've targeted the family unit, and why most social engineering programs of the 20th and 21st centuries have our alienation as a primary goal.

It is good to spread information, but it is better to form living bonds with awakened souls. There is plenty of information out there, but there aren't too many wise people. It important to find these people and ally with them. We can increase each other's wisdom this way.

I agree with this totally but I also believe it is possible to spread information as well as form bonds through a medium other than personal contact. That my friends, is my definition of true art.

No matter what medium is used whether it be a song, movie, painting, or whatever, a piece of art has the ability to form that bond between its creator(s) and it's experiencers. That is what it does and that is what it is meant to do.
It creates a representation of an idea, concept, and grounds it into 3D reality for all to see, hear, experience for themselves, at least all that have the ability to do so.

In this way it is possible to communicate and also help others along similar paths if only by letting them know there are others out there that are in the same place. That alone can be a life saver if you are isolated. I'm sure we've all had experiences where a piece of art (song, movie , whatever) was a good friend in a time of need or pushed you over the edge to provide that 'aha' experience. A true piece of art will communicate on many levels simultaneously and can pack an emotional punch that will convey actual experience to the viewer. That is the power of it and also why art is suppressed at times of oppression (clear channel anyone?).

Is it easy? No. Can it be done? Yes. But creation is only a part of it, unless you're masturbating. You then have to get it out for people to experience. The more powerful the piece is, the more restitance it will meet. That is the nature of it.

I'll gladly support anyone attempting to do this, but know what you are getting into otherwise you are setting yourself up for a huge...um...learning experience.

Stephen