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Topic: October Surprises

Hi All,

This is my political take on what is likely to happen in the coming month.  First, we need to remember that STS is very competitive, *not* cooperative, hence prone to factions.  It appears that there are indeed factions developing in the Illuminati/Lizzie/Quorum.  It really looks like the Bush camp is splitting with the Rothchild camp and it may end up being a real power struggle with many October surprises and a few November surprises, including 'terrorist' attacks,   'natural' disasters, substantial voting fraud, and who knows what else.  The Lizzies could take advantage of the ensuing chaos and may have surprises of their own.  Indeed they are probably encouraging this split, just like the colonial powers used to foment indigenous strife, coming in to 'restore' security.  I can potentially see this as a time when all three groups will attempt to seize control, with lots of backstabbing for all. 

Perhaps our best hope will be to 'intend' that the different plots be thwarted so that there is no instability in the US for any faction to prey upon.  We will still end up with a psycho Illuminati in office, either Kerry or Bush, which we will have to deal with, but I think it would still be in humanity's best interest to prevent the election from becoming violent.  We won't 'win the war' with a battle to stop the election violence, but such a 'battle' could at least buy some time and help in other ways to potentially free humanity and plot a better future.

Also, I think the Lizzies will betray the entire Illuminati at some point, as well as the rest of humanity.  I really don't see how the Illuminati can believe they will *not* suffer the same fate as they have in store for the rest of us.   They are pawns too.  Sick. evil pawns, but pawns nonetheless.

That's my best guess anyway.  Realpolitik and Intergalactic/Interdensity Politics!  hehehe
What do y'all think?

Kathy

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2 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-10-01 23:32:23)

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Re: October Surprises

I'm with you on your general assessments.  One thing that I wonder is how much Bush and Kerry really know.  For example, when they both said during the first debate that Osama bin Laden was responsible for September 11th, I think it is possible that they might really have meant it.

They may be unaware of the broader context in which events are unfolding.  They may not be aware of all the players, such as the Lizzies and the Illuminati.

I think there may be many levels to the Illuminati and it is possible that few or none of the public figures are at the highest levels.  I am suggesting that it is possible to be part of the Illuminati without fully understanding what that means.

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Re: October Surprises

Wandering,

Yes, it is possible that Bush and Kerry don't really know, but never underestimate a psychopaths ability to lie.  With the straightest, most convincing face they can tell the most outrageous lies.  Unless you've seen it in person with someone you know, it is hard to believe.  So, I think it is more likely that they are aware of what is going on.  Of course how much Bush understands...is another matter.  But you made a good point: there are different levels, I am sure, in addition to the different factions.  I can really only guess at the real politics involved based on what I have learned from politics in general. From what I can tell, October should be very interesting, if not dangerous.
Thanks,
Kathy

PS I posted another reply yesterday, but it seems to have gotten eaten in cyberspace.

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4 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-10-03 13:35:20)

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Re: October Surprises

Good point about the ability to lie.  I will try not to underestimate that factor.

When Bush was running in 2000, he was asked about ETs.  He replied that ETs were Cheney's department..  Cheney was there and apparently showed shock in his face before he quickly recovered.

If Bush and Kerry really knew, for example, that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon on Sep. 11, rather than an airplane, that would really be something.  For me, I say that because I think it takes some skill, or possibly mind programming, to effectively lie over and over again.  But perhaps, they are the type of people who excel at that skill, or they are the products of effective mind programming.

In Bush's case, the deception would be particularly noteworthy, because even though I try to be wary, I do get the impression that he is "calling it as he see's it."

I hope I'm not too far off topic as this thread is called "October Surprises."  :-)
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Back to October Surprises, Terrence McKenna developed a model called Timewave Zero which is based on a mathematical analysis of the I Ching.  The model measures changes in "habit" and "novelty".  The model begins billions of years ago and ends on Dec. 21, 2012 when novelty approaches infinity.  He said that he created this model before he knew of the Mayan calendar end date.

In the period we are in right now, Sep-Oct 2004, his model shows a rapid increase in novelty.  So, we shall see.

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Re: October Surprises

If you check out Alex Jones' research, he is claiming that the military was conducting dozens of drills of WTC attacks when it actually happened.  If that's correct then I don't think there is any room to question whether they knew or not.

6 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-10-04 22:27:44)

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Re: October Surprises

Michael Ruppert who has the web site "From the Wilderness" (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/) states that there were multiple drills that were occuring on that day.  I think the number is 6 and these involved the specific scenario where the drill was to respond to the scenario where planes are flown into office buildings.

There were some number of people within the US government and military who knew that the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon were going to happen on Sep 11.  I am just questioning whether Bush was one of them.  I am also questioning whether since that date he has been given access to all the available information related to those attacks.  Even though he is filling the role of president, he may not have access to the highest levels of information.

7 Reply by freeme (edited by freeme 2004-10-04 09:49:11)

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Re: October Surprises

So, we need to watch which type of drills the military is engaged.  That helps.  There is 'something' going on. I can feel it.  Plus, so much that is out there on the newspapers and the net seems to point in that direction.  Just what exactly that 'something' (or 'somethings') is is what I am trying to figure out.  A terrorist attack?  Where? When? How? Spanish flu outbreak?  Could the Kerry camp have something planned, too?  A 'terrorist attack' would benefit Bush more, but a 'natural disaster' has a better chance of swaying support to Kerry if Bush fails to respond, and an 'economic disaster' would probably benefit Kerry the most.  What about the Lizzies? They would probably love a 'terrorist attack', a 'natural disaster', and an 'economic disaster' all in one.   
Kathy

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  • Registered: 2004-08-16

Re: October Surprises

bush:
"i know how this world works"

When Bush was running in 2000, he was asked about ETs.  He replied that ETs were Cheney's department..  Cheney was there and apparently showed shock in his face before he quickly recovered.

im interested in knowing how Cheney responded to that. please send me a link thru PM, email or whatever.

So, we need to watch which type of drills the military is engaged

and excellent idea, but how could we do it ?

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  • Registered: 2004-09-08

Re: October Surprises

bush knew for sure, for a start he stated that he saw the first plane hit the towers live! how could he when the tape wasnt discovered for days after! when he was told of the second attack, he continued to read to the school kids for annother 20 minutes! the look on his face tells it all, he wasnt the least bit surprised... watch the coverage again to see for yourself...

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Re: October Surprises

bush tried to look concerned for a moment... but he couldnt act his way out of a paper bag....

11 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-10-04 22:20:46)

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Re: October Surprises

AwakeKiwi,
You may very well be correct.  I have seen the footage you refer to.

Zonabi,
This will give you an indication.  I don't think this was where I originally saw it, because there was more detail there about Cheney's reaction.  And yes, video or at least audio would be interesting if it were available and someone could find it.

Headline: Bush-Cheney Take Campaign on the Road; Gore Takes a Vacation Aired July 29, 2000 - 8:00 a.m. ET

Excerpt:

UNIDENTIFIED CITIZEN: Integrity and character is back. God bless you.

JONATHAN KARL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Cheney played low key loyalist. Along the way, someone thought Cheney's impressive resume would help Bush tell the truth about UFOs.

UNIDENTIFIED CITIZEN: Half the public believes that they are real. Would you finally tell us what the hell is going on?

GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Sure, I will. This man knows. He was Secretary of Defense and was a great one.

From CNN Transcripts,  See link:
http://www.rense.com/general3/ufobush.htm

Freeme,
The following is what the intuitive Sean David Morton lays out as possibilities.  He mentions the possibility of a terrorist attack and that a city on the East coast of the US may be hit.   According to Tom Ridge, Washington DC and New York city remain top targets.

Sean David Morton (www.delphiassociates.org) lays out the following possible scenario on the Coast to Coast  radio show and in his newsletters:  terrorist attack within the next 6 months or so (and quite possibly within the next month), a call for a draft which may be implemented in mid-2005, economic and stock market collapse in fall 2005, and  the serious climate change and natural disasters steadily increasing in the coming years.

Sean D. Morton also said that if you enter "Economic Collapse" into the bible code software then the years 1929 and 2005 come up.

Just some possibilities.
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With regard to the global economy, some very mainstream sources are giving clear warning signs.  Stephen S. Roach, the Chief Economist of Morgan Stanley had this to say in the Sep. 27, 2004 Morgan Stanley Economic Comment article called "Collision Course": "The world economy is on a collision course.  The United States - long the main engine of global growth and finance - has squandered its domestic saving pool.  East Asian Central Banks - especially those in Japan and China - have become America's financiers of last resort.  But in doing so, they are subjecting their own economies to mounting strains and increasingly serious risk."
Full article here: http://www.morganstanley.com/GEFdata/di … 7-mon.html

The cover of the Oct 2nd-8th 2004 Economist states: "Scares ahead for the world economy."  On page 11, the article says: "It would hardly be surprising, therefore, of the world economy slowed next year.  But will it slow gently or crash into a wall?"

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Re: October Surprises

I've not read all the posts but in response to Freeme's post - As far as I know or have heard, it is John Edwards that is seemingly to be the next pres., if there will be elections.  If Kerry gets in, he has some terminal disease, he ought to collapse within 2 years - thus Edwards will become Pres.  If Bush gets in, then the U.S. is in DEEP DOO-DOO - it is already out there to the general public that these guys are practising satanists - Apparently Vanity Fair has a very revealing article on the Bushies, then there is Kitty Kelly, Jeff Rense, Cloak and Dagger etc etc etc - further, I heard that some major scandals will break loose this month on the past elections, the 5 judges and so on and so forth - seems the law clerks involved are talking - so come on folks - STO, STS, the bottom line is THERE ARE PLANS, there is an agenda and those who are manipulating the general populace into submission, relish the thought that people simply sit back and state "Let's watch the action..." cause that is exactly what  they want - don't get involved - stay distant and just let it all happen - YIKES!!  it is up to each individual to WAKE UP and realize that 3D existence is at stake here - So, why has each person come here - to this plane/ planet?  Huh?

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Re: October Surprises

For the third time, I am going to try to post to this thread!  Everyone there was a great article in the Washington Post yesterday called "Conspiracy Theories Flourish on the Internet"  It was primarily about the Pentagon Strike video produced by the QFS that shows how it would have been impossible for a huge airliner to have made the damage at the Pentagon.  They also had a link to the video and to Cassiopaea.org! On the front page!  The C's made front page on the  Washington Post! smile It was also one of the most popular pages that were being emailed out by readers.   Most important about this development is that it will now be much harder for Bush to orchestrate another terrorist attack.  Hopefully if we push this info now, there is a good chance of waking up a few more people.  Read the article.  Its great. The author tries to portray it as conspiracy, but does such a poor job, its funny.  She interviewed a member of the 9/11 Commission who claimed that the film used selective images, but when asked if there were any unreleased images that would disprove the theory, he said "No".  Ok , I'm going to send this before something else happens.

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Re: October Surprises

Phew! OK, now to the rest of this post.   I have been working on this and thank you guys for the links.  Other than the Washington Post story I don't have too much.  Wandering, all I found on the delphi site was a reference to the economic crash in 2005 and a a flu epidemic this fall.  I didn't find any specific source for the military drills, except daily searches.  The From the Wilderness Site looks pretty good so far.  Ruppert looks like he does some good research.  The only thing I could intuit was a vague sense of something being off in NYC (Spanish flu perhaps?).  Of course, 'off' could be considered normal for NYC. smile 

If the 9/11 stuff keeps coming out the only way Bush will win will be the paperless voting machines.  I'll keep looking though.

Kathy

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15 Reply by wandering1 (edited by wandering1 2004-10-10 19:52:08)

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Re: October Surprises

freeme,
I agree that the Delphi site does not have much information on it.  I reference it to give credit to Sean David Morton.  In order to get access to his information, there is a no charge way, but the primary options require paying money.  He comes on the Coast to Coast radio show a few times a year.  The schedule for each upcoming week is shown on the web site  http://www.coasttocoastam.com   If you tune in live on the proper local radio station or through the Internet then there is no charge.

By the way, I think that Coast to Coast is a remarkable resource.  A good number of people who I consider to be leaders appear on the show. 

The charge for archive Internet access to Coast to Coast is $6.95/month and provides access to a 3 month archive.  If you like hearing Sean Morton on the radio then you may be interested in his newsletter which he sends out electronically 12 times a year for $35.

Just providing some information options!  No pressure!