31 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-09-29 20:06:52)

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

Hi wmhaoi,

Well, that was a really great response, I have to say.  I've been in an agitated mood all evening due to some personal stuff (the MCS attempting to button push, and it working, temporarily, until I talked myself out of the response they were seeking, etc. etc!)  so if I seemed snappy before, my apologies.    But I was quite impressed with your ideas and techniques, all of which I agree with.    It's helpful advise for anybody to consider and put into action.

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

lyra wrote:

what I believe to be abductions of a MILAB nature

lyra, please, would you share this with me? I would _really_ appreciate it as I don't get to converse with anyone with stories of this nature.

I am as is Void.

33 Reply by lyra (edited by lyra 2004-09-29 21:35:25)

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

Hi Xenopope,

I'd be happy to.  If you'd like you can email me (just click on my name and it'll show my email address).   I still haven't figured out entirely what's going on, but I have been keeping a log book documenting things that have happened to me, what the deal is with my family, etc.,  correlating it with stories / research I've found on the 'net or in books.  Email me if you'd like...

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

wmhaoi wrote:

"They" have discovered that the human brain picks up on frequencies in much the same way a radio receives a radio wave or a television receives a signal from a satellite.  Once discovering this, "they" reaiized that they could manipulate human behavior by manipulating the frequencies our brain picks up on, in much the same way a hacker would hack a computer. 

In order for you to transcend this control, you must first tap into your energy.  Once you have mastered your energy through a variety of means...mediation, (a meditational prayer like trance works for me), then you can begin to understand better the flunctuations in your energy and realize that, occasionally, there is no reason for the energy fluctuation.  The reason being is that they can still tap your mind.  They still tap mine from time to time, but I have learned to recognize it by mastering my energy control.

All atoms vibrate, the fact that matter exists is solely based on the fact that the atoms are vibrating so slowly it appears to be solid.  Knowing this, "they" have discovered to alter your vibration to cause you to be angry, sad, depressed, or happy, euphoric, unwavered in determination.  You must learn to balance your soul's energy though whatever means are comforting to you: ie...prayer, meditation, yoga...etc. 

Transcending the controls is realizing you have the ability to control your actions.  Say it to yourself:  I am in control of myself, and no one else...I take full responsibility for my actions and blame them on nothing else. 

Be in touch with all your senses.  Use meditation to realize your sight, smell, taste, touch, and hearing all at once.  Be aware of these senses at all times. 

If you ever feel overwhelmed and believe they might be altering your atomic vibration...take a breather.  Sit down and meditate...realizing all your senses...and saying to yourself...I am in control of my actions, attitude, and mindframe. 

It is hard to fully describe how to transcend control.  The best way I have found is to be aware of your senese at all times as well as being aware of your energy.  How do you feel right now?  Why do you feel that way?  If there is no reason for you to feel that way, then you know that "they" have you.  But if you find rationale in your mood...ie...I'm in a sad mood right now because I just found out my best friend was in a car wreck...then you know that you are merely a victim of causality and not anything the Control System is imposing on you.

Master your energy.  Master your mind.  Be open to all sides of the spectrum.  From the white to the black.  Never close your mind to one option.  The fact that I believe in Jesus is not because I have closed my mind to this belief, it is the result of me opening my mind, weighing the left and the right, good from the bad, hot from the cold, the perfect balance in between...and came to a conclusion. 

Another is to think positive thoughts all the time.  Think happy.  Even in the darkest of moments, find the good in it.  Maybe the world will end tomorrow...but who cares...because I lived today to the fullest of my being.

The more you worry about their controls...the more they control you.

Hope this helps...

Kindest regards,
WMHAOI


Yeah i completely agree with u all the way in this, i've felt like this for a while getting feelings that i didnt know why i was feeling them and would get all fustrated and angry for no reason but that reason i always thought of a reason why i was feeling that way so i looked at why i was feeling that way and realised they were only thoughts and talked myself out of feeling that way. Without knowing i was already changing the way the way i think about things almost naturally but it is always a constant test to keep my frame of mind at a feeling of emotion i'm comfortable with, learning to control my emotions.
Thanks for that because it reinforces what i think about controlling emotions! smile

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35 Reply by wmhaoi (edited by wmhaoi 2004-09-30 07:20:27)

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

Thank you all for your kind responses.  I just took a deep breathe a let that little blurb come out.  I hope it helps some of you, as it helped me to just get that rant out.

I also hope that post shows you that I have tried to become the antithesis of close-minded.  I have friends who are atheist, Christian, non-Christian, agnostic...etc...  Sure we talk about our beliefs from time to time, but I always see the valid points of their argument and they always see the valid points in mine. 

Belief will always be a touchy subject.  I'm sorry if some of you thought I might be preaching.  I was not.  I found the posts (they were not authored by me) and thought they might spark some nice debate on here.  Definitely didn't intend for the negativity to arise; I just desired some open-minded debate on the matter.

I still maintain my theory that we (people) as a whole (the world) would be unable to handle anarchy.  Most are too reliant on the system, and if that system were to collapse...causing utter chaos, that a tighter order would arise out of this chaos...and we surely don't want a more brutual form of government than we already have.  This question always drove my bipolarity...to have government or not to have government?  To be totally free to do whatever we choose or to not be totally free to do whatever we choose?  Attempting to answer the question would oscillate my emotions from one side of the spectrum to the next.  I came up with an answer that gave me peace, but that doesn't necessarily mean its the right answer for others...it's merely the right answer for myself.  Living peacefully within the system physically, while at the same time living outside of it mentally and spiritually has brought me peace, comfort and knowledge that I had previously thought unattainable.  Does that mean my is right for you?  No.  It is something you must find out for yourself.

I do think that some people have difficulty coming to any sort of conclusion because they are scared they might be alienated for their answers to the fundamental questions that ravage their mind and soul.  This, in my humble opinion, is unfortunate simply due to the fact that the longer these questions remain unanswered by you the longer they have to ravage you mind and soul.  Maybe your answer won't fit with other people's answers, but who cares?  That answer gives you peace of mind, a state that no words I can type will describe.

Kindest regards,
WMHAOI

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

Lyra's right, and it can be a scary thing to explore. Having the courage to get to the bottom of "unexplained" things that occur from time to time in one's life is a challange for many of us on this forum.  It is a lifelong journey, but we are NOT alone, and there is HOPE.

As many of you have already noted with the C's material:  Knowledge protects.  It's up to you just what you decide to do with the knowledge.  With experience, age, and a good support system to help us through the rough spots we can, and do become somewhat more enlightened with the aspect of wisdom (and of course empowered).  This seems to be of a very important endeavor-that is aquisition of WISDOM.  It is continuous, just when you think you got it, a joker card gets thrown in and it starts all over again.

Wmhaoi, I sincerely hope you can get the answers as to what, how, why, all this stuff has happened to you.  There's perhaps a lot under the most obvious surface stuff, maybe even distractors towards your discovering the truth.  It is not easy.

If there is no time
      Then you have time for everything.
   You're never in a hurry.
That's true freedom.

37 Reply by zonabi (edited by zonabi 2004-09-30 09:24:58)

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

wmhaoi wrote:

I still maintain my theory that we (people) as a whole (the world) would be unable to handle anarchy.

this sentence reminded me of some theories i've bounced around in my head a while back.

firstly, i am sad to say that the above quoted sentence IS true, at this moment in our existance on planet earth, it is the sad truth.

BUT, why? well, thats really a tuff question; one that will take you on a wild journey if you take the challenge, and even at the end, you will probably end up with more NEW questions than answers.

anyways, looking past the WHY i was contemplating (meditating) on past lives, like ancient lives in ancient history and ancient civilisations... and i came to some conclusions, of which i want to share 2 of (possibly more as they kind of interconnect)

the first one may sound a bit "grim" but hey, its what i envisioned and so ill say it because i feel it has some very good points; whereas the second one has a little more of a positive light to it. I hope you dont mind if i just copy my words and paste them here;

zonabi wrote:

a vision

periodic cataclysms happen, we know that.

pole shifts, ice ages, comets crashing, who knows. perhaps any or all of the above.

what i do see is that there is a purpose for this, as disastrous as it may sound.

the resets have to happen, because balance must be restored. or because the balance was not there. who knows

Humans are forced to cooperate in times like this. Groups are FORCED, for they are the only way to survive. HELP is very much needed.

BUT- what i see in this so called rythhm is this:

The KEY GOAL of HUMANITY shall be to realize the past, live long enough to come towards another SHIFT , have the hindsight to learn from the past and the foresight to see it coming in the future.... AND PREPARE.

THIS shall be the TRUE survival, for knowledge and preperation will lead to more Humans surviving, less catastrophe, and a stronger FOUNDATION after their ground is swept from beneath their own feet.

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i also see this:

the PAST:
of course man has survived some SHIFTs, and they TRIED to leave records.... This seems to be the first time we really have a heads up and more of an advantage in the situation... because we have like i said the hindsight and the foresight.

Man has left records, it is there to teach. the Books of many names... you all know them. They speak of Floods, shifts, and science speaks of Ice Ages and Cosmic Cataclysms... its all there.

We should be able to survive... BUT SOMETHING HINDERS OUR ABILITY:

WE CANNOT MAKE PEACE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND ENEMIES.

and it feels awfully sad, at least to me.

we are very well off in this new world age, yet our minds arent exactly on the right tune, if you get what i mean...

Cooperation isnt very alive, its more like Obligation.
and it shouldnt feel like this. its WRONG.

we should be willing to give and thankful to recieve.

instead we are forced to give and expect to recieve.

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im here to say what i feel, and thats how everyone should be.

the world may seem such a low place at one point in time and the next transform into a beautiful place... its a strange world indeed!

we are in a constant DUALITY that never ends.

if we realize that we can UNITE both SIDES of the EQUATION, we can all get along.

unfortunately NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE WORLD EARTH BELIEVE THIS. and belief is what creates. it creates and multiplies. We have witnessed the birth of many Religions....

we see the power in them, why NOT IN OURSELVES ?

its truly there, obviously.

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i am not trying to sound like a Tree Hugging Hippy. NEGATIVITY WILL NEVER CEASE, NOR WILL POSITIVITY. THATS THE TRUE NATURE OF DUALITY - THAT BOTH PARTS ARE ACTUALLY UNITED IN THE SAME WHOLE.

balance is required. its like an equation, much like eberything else.

therefore i see the only true answer that WE CAN PROVIDE is PEACEFULLY INTEGRATING our lives to benefit each other.

i dont know, that just sounds alot more logical to me somehow.

take care

http://zonabi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=508

and this gave rise to another theory, which i call the simple survival formula;

zonabi wrote:

hello friends.

upon pondering the fate of mankind, i came up with a theory.
it is a theory that calculates the chance of survival of a civilisation.

let me breifly explain:

the past shows us that every so often, certain events happen that SHAKE all life on the planet- drastically lowering the population, and causing great catastrophe across the globe. it is recorded in the "bible" - known as the great flood. other ancient texts describe very similar events, cataclysmic events.

this is what i mean when i say "hindsight"
Hindsight equals the ability to look BACKWARD into the past at events that may in fact REPEAT. ( ' history repeats itself ' )

BUT- looking alone at the past isn't hardly enough!

We must also look FORWARD into the future if we want to survive.
This is what i mean by FORESIGHT.
Foresight equals the ability, through technology, to be able to peer into the cosmos (future) and to detect any cataclysmic event before it actually happens. to see it before its coming. to PREDICT.

so, in essence- Hindsight (realizing the past) plus Foresight (predicting the future) equals Survival (using both knowledge and technology to ensure some people make it)

http://zonabi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=576

of course there is much more to all of this, but its what i saw.

basically, because of the nature of man (not being able to peacefully cooperate) - divine intervention will step in to set the balance back to equilibrium. usually what this equates to is a massive cataclysm , and i know it sounds awful, i agree- but when you think about it, its the only thing that BREAKS EVERYDOWN to the point where they realize "damn, the world just got turned upside down, and i'm still here! I need to find others so we can help each other SURVIVE"
in a way it forces people to cooperate in order to rebuild society.

sorry if the post is too long. i might edit some stuff out after i see it posted.

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Re: You are not meant to be free...

Zonabi,

Humans seem to rise emotionally and spiritually...in the midst of tragedy.  Perhaps, though I am surely not saying I want it to happen, more tragedy must occur in order for humanity to learn the true meaning of our self.

Kindest regards,
WMHAOI

Though it may divide us, energy will eventually unite us.