Re: War In Heaven

"Heaven is the peaceful nothingness which rests between expectation and anticipation"
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Hell is in the projected extremes.

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Re: War In Heaven

I just have to say this is just an excellent thread. I've been following it for some time, long before I even joined the forum, and it's opened my eyes and mind about many things. Thanks, you guys.

zenden wrote:

my enlightenment as u call it, aint new.  and it just means the use of knowledge to possibly spread to other ppl.  using the self as a light.  as a beacon.  sharing insights, discoveries, concepts, finds.  only to help others out of traps.

Forgive me, Zenden, but this song immediately started playing in my head when I read this...

"This little light of mine
I'm gonna let it shine...
Let it shine all the time,
Let it shine."

Shine on, Zenden! cool

Look... Wonder... Remember... Know

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certainly dont approve of the many many things i see that others have insisted upon and CREATED, much to the chagrin of some of us.  one always takes a risk when they say "i have it figured out" or "i think ive got it"  and esp if it is in complete opposition to old programming.  and church doctrine, et AL.  im saying to pay attention to that which is other THAN group concsiousness which has already been created.  by others and imposes a dominating YOUR REALITY HAS BEEN CREATED FOR YOU.  thats what im saying.  thats what im opposed to.  i had no idea as a younger person that heaven COULD even be fraudulent and not the all end all.   i still dont know what the all and end all IS.  and its been "enlightening" to see that.  if one uses freewill, discovery and acknowledges and applies the possibility that indeed, heaven is a fraud, then one can, using freewill--AVOID it.  these ideas support the very tenets from montalk's article.
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The strangest thing happened just as I was nearing the end of this paragraph, zenden.  I felt like I had done it already.  Exactly like I had already been sitting and reading this same exact thing before.  Wow!  What is the word to describe the feeling you get when something happened that you just cannot accept as being possible.  I got a brief headache in the frontal lobe very recently also, and I can't recall ever getting one in that location before.  And believe me, I've had lots of headaches, they are usually on one side or the other or in the back of the head.  Never had one directly in the middle of my forehead before.

Oh well, maybe nothing to it.  Tomorrow is 9 11 07 what to do, what to do.

Here is something I read yesterday that is 'very old'.  O Yadyad rupam kamayate devata, tattad devatta bhavati ( Whatsoever a thing a devine yearns to become, that very thing it will become).

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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Wow!  What is the word to describe the feeling you get when something happened that you just cannot accept as being possible.

Improbable.
Thought not impossible.
Probably.

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XzenTriCo wrote:

Hard Rock & three schools of Magick....

Natural Mystic wrote:

From: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/NWO/nwo9.html

Jimmy Page, of the rock group Led Zeppelin, who owned one of the largest occult bookstores in England, had purchased the mansion of Edward Alister Crowley(1875-1947),

This is very intersting. I am quite sure that Led Zeppelin was sort of a "satanic" band: i understand the term "satanic" as STS; Led Zeppelin - as i see this band was all about STS. "Stairway To Heaven" is a very nice tune, but the Band has - in my opinion - an extrem STS orientation. Not good & not cool - if you look closer there is so much pose, so much fake...  The late 1960s transition from psychedelia into hardrock was difficult, painful and produced a whole bunch of bad bands. You may see them described as "killer heavy fuzz guitarpsych/rock" , but most of the time they're dull, elephantine, pompous affairs – losing the mystique and creativity of psych...  Hendrix and "Disraeli Gears" had pointedout a proper path through the forest, but then a whole bunch of overpriced, overhiped bands emerged (or were made by illuminati) - many from the L A area and many from England, proudly displaying macho vocalists, "bluesy" moods, bombastic organ and gonzo "biker" fuzz guitars.
So, although i considered LZ to be my favourite band in my late teens, i now see clearly that they were one of those illuminati-show-biz-bombastic outfits, created in order to imprint young receptive minds with truly satanic=STS ideas in the most  insidious, mean way.
Btw, The Doors, above all Jim Morrison....the same story to me. No good.

Crowley, one of the most famous Satanists of all time,

Well, Crowley was a great pretender. He was not a black magician, he came from the White school of magick: Let Master Therion speak for himself:
1. What is Magick:
"Magick investigates the laws of Nature with the idea of making use of them.  It only differs from "profane" science by always keeping ahead of it.  As Fraser has shown, Magick is science in the tentative stage; but it may be, and often is, more than this.  It is science which, for one reason or another, cannot be declared to the profane.

Religion, on the contrary, seeks to ignore the laws of Nature, or to escape them by appeal to a postulated power which is assumed to have laid them down.  The religious man is, as such, incapable of understanding what the laws of Nature really are.  (They are generalizations from the order of observed fact.)

The History of Magick has never been seriously attempted.  For one reason, only initiates pledged to secrecy know much about it; for another, every historian has been talking about some more or less conventional idea of Magick, not of the thing itself.  But Magick has led the world from before the beginning of history, if only for the reason that Magick has always been the mother of Science.
  "The Three Schools of Magick." 
There have always been, at least in nucleus, three main Schools of Philosophical practice.
It is customary to describe these three Schools as Yellow, Black, and White.  The first thing necessary is to warn the reader that they must by no means be confounded with racial distinctions of colour; and they correspond still less with conventional symbols such as yellow caps, yellow robes, black magick, white witchcraft, and the like.  The danger is only the greater that these analogies are often as alluring as the prove on examination to be misleading.
These Schools represent three perfectly distinct and contrary theories of the Universe, and, therefore, practices of spiritual science.  The magical formula of each is as precise as a theorem of trigonometry.  Each assumes as fundamental a certain law of Nature, and the subject is complicated by the fact that each School, in a certain sense, admits the formul ¦ of the other two.  It merely regards them as in some way incomplete, secondary, or illusory.  Now, as will be seen later, the Yellow School stand aloof from the other two by the nature of its postulates.  But the Black School and the White are always more or less in active conflict; and it is because just at this moment that conflict is approaching a climax that it is necessary to write this essay.  The adepts of the White School consider the present danger to mankind so great that they are prepared to abandon their traditional policy of silence, in order to enlist in their ranks the profane of every nation.
We are in possession of a certain mystical document* which we may describe briefly, for convenience sake, as an Apocalypse of which we hold the keys, thanks to the intervention of the Master who has appeared at this grave conjuncture of Fate.  This document consists of a series of visions, in which we hear the various Intelligences whose nature it would be hard to define, but who are at the very least endowed with knowledge and power far beyond anything that we are accustomed to regard as proper to the human race... It may be suspected, for reasons which should be apparent after further investigation of the doctrines of the Three Schools, that this parable was invented by an Intelligence of the Black School, who was aware of his iniquity, and thought to transform it into righteousness by the alchemy of making a boast of it.  The intelligent reader will note the insidious attempt to identify the doctrine of the Black School with the kind of black magic that is commonly called Diabolism.  In other words, this parable is itself an example of an exceedingly subtle black magical operation, and the contemplation of such devices carried far enough beings us to an understanding of the astoundingly ophidian processes of Magicians.  Let not the profane reader dismiss such subtleties from his mind as negligible nonsense. It is cunning of this kind that determines the price of potatoes.

The above digression is perhaps not so inexcusable as it may seem on a first reading. Careful study of it should reveal the nature of the thought-processes which are habitually used by the secret Masters of the human race to determine its destiny.

When everyone has done laughing, I will ask you to compare the real effects produced on the course of human affairs by Caesar, Attila, and Napoleon, on the one hand; of Plato, the Encyclopaedists, and Karl Marx* on the other.
The Yellow School of Magick considers, with complete scientific and philosophical detachment, the fact of the Universe as a fact.  Being itself apart of that Universe, it realizes its impotence to alter the totality in the smallest degree.  To put it vulgarly, it does not try to raise itself from the ground by pulling at its socks.  It therefore opposes to the current of phenomena no reaction either of hatred or of sympathy.  So far as it attempts to influence the course of events at all, it does so in the only intelligent way conceivable.  It seeks to diminish internal friction.

It remains, therefore, in a contemplative attitude.  To use the terms of Western philosophy, there is in its attitude something of the stoicism of Zeno; or of the Pickwickianism, if I may use the term, of Epicurus.  The ideal reaction to phenomena is that of perfect elasticity.  It possesses something of the cold-bloodedness of mathematics; and for this reason it seems fair to say, for the purposes of elementary study, that Pythagoras is its most adequate exponent in European philosophy.

Since the discovery of Asiatic thought, however, we have no need to take our ideas at second-hand.  The Yellow School of Magick possesses one perfect classic.  The Tao Teh King.
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Hoping that you are now recovered from the devastating revelations in the matter of the Yellow School, I must ask you to brace yourself for disclosures even more formidable about the Black.  Do not confuse with the Black Lodge, or the Black Brothers.  The terminology is unfortunate, but it wasn't I that did it.  Now then, to work!

The Black School of Magick, which must by no means be confused with the School of Black Magick or Sorcery, which latter is a perversion of the White tradition, is distinguished fundamentally from the Yellow School in that it considers the Universe not as neutral, but as definitely a curse. Its primary theorem is the "First Noble Truth" of the Buddha– "Everything is Sorrow."  In the primitive classics of this School the idea of sorrow is confused with that of sin.  (This idea of universal lamentation is presumably responsible for the choice of black as its symbolic colour.  And yet?  Is not white the Chinese hue of mourning?).
The analysis of the philosophers of this School refers every phenomenon to the category of sorrow.  It is quite useless to point out to them that certain events are accompanied with joy: they continue their ruthless calculations, and prove to your satisfaction, or rather dissatisfaction, that the more apparently pleasant an event is, the more malignantly deceptive is its fascination.  There is only one way of escape even conceivable, and this way is quite simple, annihilation. (Shallow critics of Buddhism have wasted a great deal of stupid ingenuity on trying to make out that Nirvana or Nibbana means something different from what etymology, tradition and the evidence of the Classics combine to define it.  The word means, quite simply, cessation: and it stands to reason that, if everything is sorrow, the only thing which is not sorrow is nothing, and that therefore to escape from sorrow is the attainment of nothingness.)
The philosophers of this School, seeking, naturally enough, to amend the evil at the root, inquire into the cause of this existence which is sorrow, and arrive immediately at the "Second Noble Truth" of the Buddha: "The Cause of Sorrow is Desire."  They follow up with the endless concatenation of causes, of which the final root is Ignorance.  (I am not concerned to defend the logic of this School: I merely state their doctrine.)  The practical issue of all this is that every kind of action is both unavoidable and a crime.  I must digress to explain that the confusion of thought in this doctrine is constantly recurrent.  That is part of the blackness of the Ignorance which they confess to be the foundation of their Universe.  (And after all, everyone has surely the right to have his own Universe the way he wants it.)

This School being debased by nature, is not so far removed from conventional religion as either the White or the Yellow.  Most primitive fetishistic religions may, in fact, be considered fairly faithful representatives of this philosophy.  Where animism holds sway, the "medicine-man" personifies this universal evil, and seeks to propitiate it by human sacrifice.  The early forms of Judaism, and that type of Christianity which we associate with the Salvation Army, Billy Sunday and the Fundamentalists of the back-blocks of America, are sufficiently simple cases of religion whose essence is the propitiation of a malignant demon.

When the light of intelligence begins to dawn dimly through many fogs upon these savages, we reach a second stage.  Bold spirits master courage to assert that the evil which is so obvious, is, in some mysterious way, an illusion.  They thus throw back the whole complexity of sorrow to a single cause; that is, the arising of the illusion aforesaid.  The problem then assumes a final form: How is that illusion to be destroyed.

A fairly pure example of the first stage of this type of thought is to be found in the Vedas, of the second stage, in the Upanishads.  But the answer to the question, "How is the illusion of evil to be destroyed?", depends on another point of theory.  We may postulate a Parabrahm infinitely good, etc. etc. etc., in which case we consider the destruction of the illusion of evil as the reuniting of the consciousness with Parabrahm.  The unfortunate part of this scheme of things is that on seeking to define Parabrahm for the purpose of returning to Its purity, it is discovered sooner or later, that It possesses no qualities at all!  In other words, as the farmer said, on being shown the elephant: There ain't no sich animile.  It was Gautama Buddha who perceived the inutility of dragging in this imaginary pachyderm.  Since our Parabrahm, he said to the Hindu philosophers, is actually nothing, why not stick to or original perception that everything is sorrow, and admit that the only way to escape from sorrow is to arrive at nothingness?...
The documents of the Black School of Magick have already been indicated.  They are, for the most part, tedious to the last degree and repulsive to every wholesome-minded man; yet it can hardly be denied that such books as The Dhammapada and Ecclesiastes are masterpieces of literature.  They represent the agony of human despair at its utmost degree of intensity, and the melancholy contemplation which is induced by their perusal is not favourable to the inception of that mood which should lead every truly courageous intelligence to the determination to escape from the ferule of the Black Schoolmaster to the outstretched arms of the White Mistress of Life.
The White School:
Let us leave the sinister figure of Schopenhauer for the mysteriously radiant shape of Spinoza!  This latter philosopher, in respect at least of his Pantheism, represents fairly enough the fundamental thesis of the White tradition.  Almost the first observation that we have to make is that this White tradition is hardly discoverable outside Europe.  It appears first of all in the legend of Dionysus.  (In this connection read carefully Browning's Apollo and the Fates.)

The Egyptian tradition of Osiris is not dissimilar.  The central idea of the White School is that, admitted that "everything is sorrow" for the profane, the Initiate has the means of transforming it to "Everything is joy."  There is no question of any ostrich-ignoring of fact, as in Christian Science.  There is not even any more or less sophisticated argument about the point of view altering the situation as in Vedantism.  We have, on the contrary, and attitude which was perhaps first of all, historically speaking, defined by Zoroaster, "nature teaches us, and the Oracles also affirm, that even the evil germs of Matter may alike become useful and good."  "Stay not on the precipice with the dross of Matter; for there is a place for thine Image in a realm ever splendid."  "If thou extend the Fiery Mind to the work of piety, thou wilt preserve the fluxible body."* We may define the doctrine of the White School in its purity in very simple terms.

Existence is pure joy.  Sorrow is caused by failure to perceive this fact; but this is not a misfortune.  We have invented sorrow, which does not matter so much after all, in order to have the exuberant satisfaction of getting rid of it.  Existence is thus a sacrament.
There is thus in this School no attempt to deny that Nature is, as Zoroaster said, "a fatal and evil force"; but Nature is, so to speak, "the First Matter of the Work", which is to be transmuted into gold.  The joy is a function of our own part in this alchemy.  For this reason we find the boldest and most skillful adepts deliberately seeking out the most repugnant elements of Nature that their triumph may be the greater.  The formula is evidently one of dauntless courage.  It expresses the idea of vitality and manhood in its most dynamic sense.

The only religion which corresponds to this School at all is that of ancient Egypt; possibly also that of Chaldea.  This is because those religions are Magical religions in the strict technical sense; the religious component of them is negligible.  So far as it exists, it exists only for the uninitiate.
The Christian religion in its simplest essence, by that idea of overcoming evil through a Magical ceremony, the Crucifixion, seems at first sight a fair example of the White tradition; but the idea of sin and of propitiation tainted it abominably with Blackness.  There have been, however, certain Christian thinkers who have taken the bold logical step of regarding evil as a device of God for exercising the joys of combat and victory.  This is, of course, a perfectly White doctrine; but it is regarded as the most dangerous of heresies.  (Romans VI. 1,2, et al.)

For all that, the idea is there.  The Mass itself is essentially a typical White ritual.  Its purpose is to transform crude matter directly into Godhead.  It is thus a cardinal operation of Talismanic Magick.  But the influence of the Black School has corroded the idea with theological accretions, metaphysical on the one hand, and superstitious on the other, so completely as to mask the Truth altogether.

At the Reformation, we find a nugatory attempt to remove the Black element.  The Protestant thinkers did their best to get rid of the idea of sin, but it was soon seen that the effort could only lead to antinomianism; and they recognized that this would infallibly destroy the religious idea as such.

Mysticism, both Catholic and Protestant, made a further attempt to free Christianity from the dark cloud of iniquity.  They joined hands with the Sufis and the Vedantists. But this again led to the mere denial of the reality of evil.  Thus drawing away, little by little, from clear appreciation of the facts of Nature, their doctrine became purely theoretical, and faded away, while the thundercloud of sin settled down more heavily than ever.
There is in history only one movement whose object has been to organize the isolated adepts of the White School of Magick, and this movement was totally unconnected with religion, except in so far as it lent its influence to the reformers of the Christian church.  Its appeal was not at all to the people.  It merely offered to open up relations with, and communicate certain practical secrets of wisdom to, isolated men of science through Europe.  This movement is generally known by the name of Rosicrucianism.

The word arouses all sorts of regrettable correspondences; but the adepts of the Society have never worried themselves in the least about the abuse of their name for the purposes of charlatanism, or about the attacks directed against them by envious critics.  Indeed, so wisely have they concealed their activities that some modern scholars of the shallower type have declared that no such movement ever existed, that it was a kind of practical joke played upon the curiosity of the credulous Middle Ages.  It is at least certain that, since the original proclamations, no official publications have been put forward.  The essential secrets have been maintained inviolate.  If, during the last few years, a considerable number of documents have been published by them, though not in their name, it is on account of the impending crisis to civilization, of which mention will later be made.

There is no good purpose, even were there license, to discuss the nature of the basis of scientific attainment which is the core of the doctrines of the Society.  It is only necessary to point out that its correspondence with alchemy is the one genuine fact on the subject which has been allowed to transpire; for the Rosicrucian, as indicated by his central symbol, the barren cross on which he has made a rose to flower, occupies himself primarily with spiritual and physiological alchemy.  Taking for "The First Matter of the Work  a neutral or inert substance (it is constantly described as the commonest and least valued thing on earth, and may actually connote any substance whatever) he deliberately poisons it, so to speak, bringing it to a stage of transmutation generally called the Black Dragon, and he proceeds to work upon this virulent poison until he obtains the perfection theoretically possible.
During the last two generations the Masters of the Yellow School have been compelled to take notice of the progressive ruin of the White adepts.  Christianity, which possessed at least the semblance of a White formula, is in the agonies of decomposition, even before it is actually dead.  Materialistic science has overwhelmed the faith and hope of the Christians (they never possessed any charity to overwhelm) with a demonstration of the sorrow, transitoriness and cruel futility of the Universe.  A vast wave of pessimism has engulfed the fortress of Mansoul.

It was indeed a deadly blow to the adepts of the White School when Science, their own familiar friend in whom they trusted, lifted up his heel against them.  It was in this conjuncture that the Yellow adepts sent forth into the Western world a messenger, Helena Petrowna Blavatsky, with the distinct mission to destroy, on the one hand, the crude schools of Christianity, and, on the other, to eradicate the materialism from Physical Science.  She made the necessary connection with Edward Maitland and Anna Kingsford, who were trying rather helplessly to put the exoteric formulae of the White School into the hands of students, and with the secret representatives of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood.  It is not for us in this place to estimate the degree of success with which she carried out her embassy; but at least we see today that Physical Science is at last penetrating to the spiritual basis of material phenomena.  The work of Henry Poincarè, Einstein, Whitehead, and Bertrand Russell is sufficient evidence of this fact....The Black School has always worked insidiously, by treachery. ... The White School has thus been paralysed.  We are reminded of the spider described by Fabre, who injects her victims with a poison which paralyzes them without killing them, so that her own young may find fresh meat. And this is what is going to happen in Europe and America unless some- thing is done about it, and done in very short order.
P.S. Our own School unites the ruby red of Blood with the gold of the Sun.  It combines the best characteristics of the Yellow and the White Schools.  In the light of M. Aumont's exposition, it is easy to understand.

To us, every phenomenon is an Act of Love, every experience is necessary, is a Sacrament, is a means of Growth.  Hence, "...existence is pure joy;..." (AL II, 9) "A feast every day in your hearts in the joy of my rapture!  A feast every night unto Nu, and the pleasure of uttermost delight!" (AL II, 42-43).

Let this soak in!

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Buddhism has always been greatly misunderstood in the Occident, and this misunderstanding has arisen almost wholly because Occidental scholars themselves have misapprehended a large number of the most important teachings of the religio-philosophy of Gautama; and because these Occidental scholars imbodied their misapprehensions in their studies in and of Buddhism, and because such studies were printed and published, the reading Occidental public followed suit as was only to be expected; and thus it is that there is perhaps no single world-religion known today which has suffered so greatly in this respect as Buddhism has.

It has at times been called a religion of pessimism, simply because Occidentals have not understood its profound intellectual reaches nor its proper placing of the values of the material side of life. In the Occidental view, to teach that a man is an impermanent composite of elements of varying ethereality, and that when he dies this composite is dissolved, and that its component parts then enter into their respective realms or kingdoms or spheres of Nature: all this signifies to the Occidental mind that such a doctrine teaches utter annihilation of the compounded entity as an entity; for, consciously or unconsciously, such Occidental critics ignore the unifying and binding root of being of every such entity which brings at periodical intervals this compound together again out of the identic life-atoms that composed it in former existences.

Occidental scholars so think, or they think that they so think, because they do not understand that this very 'root,' or element, or subtil bond -- call it what you like -- i. e., the individualizing energy which brought these samskaras (40) or compounds or composites together, is, when all is said and done in argument, a unifying and therefore individualizing force; and that this unifying or individualizing force, no matter what we may call it, remains after the dissolution of the compound, and likewise has its own cosmic reservoir or kingdom or realm to which it returns; nor do they understand that this unifying or individualizing force the Lord Gautama in his great wisdom called the 'Buddha,' the inner originant, for which an equivalent term in the Mahayana of Northern Asia is Dhyani-Buddha.

It is quite true that from certain Occidental philosophical standpoints, the teaching of Gautama the Buddha may formally be considered 'pessimistic'; but only so if one judge it by Occidental philosophical standards alone, and ignore the intrinsic meaning of the Buddha himself; and is this either wise or fair? Ignoring a factor in a problem is not solving the problem properly. Can it, one asks, then be rightly done? How can we judge something which arose in the Orient and became the Law of the more civilized Oriental world for its own time-period, and successfully passed the examination of the keenest minds and the most astute intellects of ages, by the changing and therefore biased standards of Occidental scientific speculations, with a vague background of European philosophy, which speculations themselves are only some three hundred or more years old in their origin, and probably not more than seventy-five years old, or less, in their present form?

There was a time, not so long ago, when one teaching of the Buddha, that of the Nirvana, was considered by Occidental scholars to mean that the Lord Gautama taught that annihilation, utter, complete, was the end of every living conscious being, when that being had attained unto the stage of inner growth where it entered into this nirvanic state; and they pointed, naturally enough, to the Sanskrit meaning of this compound word: nir, 'out' or 'off,' and vana, the past participle passive of the root va, 'to blow': hence 'to blow out.' As they sagely and logically enough said: "Nirvana means 'blown out,' as a candle-flame is 'blown out' by the breath!" Ay, so it does. But what is it that is 'blown out'? What is it that ceases to exist? Is it the unifying spiritual force which brings this compound entity into being anew in a serial line of succession which has no known beginning, and which the Buddhist teaching itself shows to be something which reproduces itself in this series of illusory, because compounded, vehicles? This is impossible, because if this individualizing or unifying energy were 'blown out,' i. e., annihilated, it obviously could not continue to reproduce itself as the inspiriting energy of newly compounded bodies due to its own working. Therefore obviously enough what is blown out is the samskaras, the compounds, resulting from, i.e., born or produced by, the karman of the individual. This karman, therefore, and speaking with strict logical sequence of thought, which the doctrine imbodies, is the individual himself or itself; because the Buddhist teaching is that what is reproduced is the karman of the preceding individual, i. e., that any composite entity changes from instant to instant, and that at each new instant, the change is the resultant or effect or consequence of the preceding instant of change. Thus, then, the individual is his own karman at any instant in time, because that karman is the totality of what he is himself. When a man's composite parts are 'blown out,' i. e., 'enter Nirvana,' i. e., are 'extinguished,' rendered extinct, as the just previously existing compound, then all the rest of the being, that deathless center of unifying and individualizing spiritual force around which these composites or samskaras periodically gather -- lives as a Buddha.

This is exactly and as far as it goes (because there is much more that might be said), the teaching of Esoteric Theosophy, of the Esoteric Tradition. All the evil and lower part of us must be wiped out, extinguished, 'annihilated' if you like; in other words the karman that produced these illusory composites must be caused to cease; and new composites, nobler ones -- the products or effects or resultants of the preceding composites -- those henceforth joined to the Buddhic essence of the being, that spiritual force which is the inner Buddha, will then continue and on its own high plane live, because no longer controlled by the veils of the world of Maya, Illusion -- the worlds of impermanent structural composites. The being thus become a Buddha because of its delivery from enshrouding veils, has now reached the state and condition of passing out of the impermanence of all manifested existence into the utter permanence of cosmic Reality.

The matter of the real meaning of the Nirvana has thus been elaborated, albeit in somewhat sketchy fashion, in order to show that the supposition of many Westerners that the teaching of the Nirvana is a pessimistic doctrine because meaning utter extinction into the abyss of non-entity, is baseless. Hence, far from being pessimistic, the doctrine of the Nirvana is one of extraordinary hope. The word 'optimism' is not here used, because it is as subject to adverse critical comment as is its antonym 'pessimism.'

Far from being a religion of pessimism, when properly understood the religion of the Buddha is a religion -- not of optimism indeed, but of wisdom. These words are used advisedly, because it is certain that unthinking optimism is as foolish in its way as is unthinking pessimism. Neither is wise, because each is an extreme. The teaching of the Buddha was so wisely given by that Great Sage that it showed to men a pathway which went neither to the right -- to one extreme -- nor to the left -- to the other extreme; but chose the Middle Way, the way of Truth, avoiding the falling into the extremes of either side. All extremes are unreal, no matter what they may be, because unphilosophical; and it is the great subtilty of the Tathagata's teaching which has rendered it so difficult for Occidentals to understand. One often reads essays printed in the Occident by Westerners who have become Buddhists; and one may admire them for the courage with which they work in their new field; but, with no wish to hurt anyone's feelings, it is difficult to avoid being grieved by their usual lack of understanding of what is after all the heart, the core, of the great Buddha's teaching. The letter indeed of the Buddhist scriptures has been grasped -- more or less; but the spirit, i. e., the Buddha's 'heart,' is rarely or never understood. The Eye-Doctrine, in other words, is comprehended to a certain extent; but the Heart-Doctrine, the hid part, the esoteric part, is not seized, or only grasped intuitively and to a certain extent only at the rarest intervals.

Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement.
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well--far out.  i was on another thread and saw this and thot--well well.  now, this is new to me, such as are the words, the semantics of it.  ive not seen this before, altho by golly, it rings / feels reasonable, and possible.  hmmmmmm.  from  http://www.new-birth.net/stone.htm

Important Truths that all mankind should know.
   
What happens after Death?

By Dr Leslie R Stone

...When the spirit is conducted to its plane, according to its soul condition, the spirit finds itself in a place or environment that is in exact harmony with that condition.

There are two ways whereby the soul can make progress into the higher spheres or heavens - because there are two different purifying processes. Each purifying process leads to different heavens. There is the Kingdom of God (or Biblical Heavens), wherein the perfect natural man exists. There is also the grander and more glorious kingdom, or Celestial Kingdom, where only those can enter who have received the New Birth, which is obtained by the inflowing of the Divine Love that comes from God by His Holy Spirit. Divine Love is the very essence and substance of the Father, while the natural love as taught by Moses - love to God and love to your fellow man - is not.

Love to God and love to your fellow man as taught by Moses and other teachers and reformers, is a beautiful love when lived up to, and leads to the Kingdom of the Perfect Natural Man but not to the Divine Kingdom of the Celestial Heavens, where Jesus dwells. Jesus was the first to obtain the Divine Love. Since he has been in the Celestial Heavens he has obtained it in such great abundance that he is nearer to the Fountainhead of the Father, and has a greater glory and beauty than any other Celestial Spirit. Because of this greater abundance of the Divine Love in his soul, it gives to him far greater wisdom and knowledge and soul perception of the Great Soul of God and His attributes. It makes him the greatest authority in all the Celestial Heavens of the Father's plans for the salvation of His children.

Jesus was the first man to teach of a greater Love than the mere exercise of the natural love. This Divine Love is no part of the natural love, neither is it that love developed into its purest state. It is a separate and distinct quality of love.

...This fact is very convincing that these Celestials have obtained in their souls a quality of love that is of the Divine Essence, or Divine Love, which causes that greater glory and beauty that shines through their spirit body countenances, that the natural perfect man has not.

alright then.  this is interesting.  one can read up to these points and see all the stuff that sounds a little sketchy, that we may need to be suspicious of, or at least many on here will be skeptical of.  particularly one part wherein  "First, it must be understood that when a mortal passes into the spirit world it has the same beliefs that it had on earth, and does not come into all knowledge, as some think. To obtain knowledge, the spirit must receive knowledge of Truths from a spirit who has progressed to a higher sphere."  so who is that and can they be trusted? or more indoctrination, or really one of the helper souls of high echelon who truly have best interests and education in mind?  pure will and intent of the highest order, or a scout sent by headquarters with a new magic act, sanctioned by the crat 'state?' one can so easily be fooled.   

i sure did think it was difft to see the 2 difft heavens.  now that was a surprise, and i must say sort of fits with what we know, and what could be possible, or at least makes a distinction of more than one, and even describes them.  good to know.  curious.  possible.  i also like the inference of how and by who the 2 difft kinds of love differ and how that is stated.  we might even surmise, then, that indeed, we are looking at christ consciousness here, and its not chruch or religion derived.  this description of christed love is distinct, and ever so more powerful.  it looks very clean, and very high, and very "knowingly" neutral somehow, and above all.  quite a christed state.  pretty neat.  cant be 'taught.'  has to be felt, understood, achieved, felt.  u become it, not just practice it.  it IS the light. the 7 levels r in here too.  new and good stuff woven in with what we already know.

this is another example of stuff in stuff, and one can glean it out.  and then i realized ive seen this site before, it hasnt changed but i have.  knew more than i did.  take a look at other links to it from above, such as the definitions of divine love (by whomever) and more on attached pages.  stuff is always in stuff.  who knows how this Dr. Stone learned of these 2 heavens, prob all by channeling, and then we have the discernment guides there.  theres a page of channelings too, all the way back to the early 1900's.  man, what a mystery.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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DESTROYER OF WORLDS

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix4/fluffy.jpg

fluffy and i and a few of us can ride together to destroy the crats.  he is ready.  see that look in his eye.  he's done it before with similar on other worlds, and he can do it again.  i needed a non-nihilistic laugh.  i can barely tolerate some stuff, getting worse.   i see that now.   i sure have missed this thread.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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I'm with ya, zenden and Fluffy! 
Let's go kick some 'Crat ass!

TP

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Love the image, zenden!!  big_smile

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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Laughter will end the war.

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter


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OOOO epic things rock!  Maybe this thread is due for a lil re-read.

Fluffy for Prez!

"Beyond the stars a new world awaits me now" - Wintersun

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Pamelajean  wrote:

...I'm designing a T-Shirt with Fluffy and my mantra on it.

Put me down for two, k?

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Yes, this IS a frickin epic.  an epic story which is NOT finished yet.   for some, it's barely started.  so on we go.  back to WORK.  on the 'work' and man oh man, THIS IS WORK.  hard to do the work when ur WOR-King.  or whoring as Prances Frances would say--i loved that frances and didnt miss it, its way back and im over it, (working and complaining about it and am just doing it/over it with the big mouth shut--simply feed the kitty, all is well) and BTW--i looked up ole fluffy puppy and found that hes a cross between a maltese and a prince something spaniel and he was mad because his owner woke him up from a wonderful sleep--for nothing, as it goes, and fluffy was pissed as all hell, gave him a 'warning' look and said "beware my man...and dont be stupid enuf to do that again.")   thats the theme here.  and i found back up on it.  will show.  so heres some excellent reading with explanation.  not only is it a war of/in the heavens, but, of course, war in in the matrix.  hard to believe, but i only watched that the other week, in its entirety.  couldnt believe the middle-aged oracle babe, the old gal (crone) in the kitchen.  with a cig hanging out of her mouth, baking cookies, with the sign over her doorway in that kitchen that says "gnothi seauton" = know thyself.  almost croaked.  and the first thing she says to Neo is 'dont u see that chick u hang with is in love with u--ur not too smart are ya?'  and i thot of us old crones on NR.  trying to be the oracles we are.  use the power from the ancient past in the now and to come.  to gather the info, spread the data/light, disseminate, defend.  we do not come to attack or impede, but to defend.  good stuff in here and will excerpt in this thread and then go back over to magnetics and ascension and roll along.  theres a ton of stuff to show and say but we have time. because its winter in the west.  were in a holding pattern yet stuff is moving.  all in alignment with the sun.  the great central sun.  the real mother.  somehow trying to get home.  to defend home.  we re-EMBER.  gotta weave in all the fine stuff been pondering on lately and im very tardy.  (its like that when feeding the kitty).     

http://www.spiritinform.com/archive.htm#79165339  War in the Matrix by Sonia Barrett == War in Heaven  lots to say and will have to swing around in add here and there.  even wandered over to kyle's website/messageboard/forum to see what was new.  found some stuff.  not much but will weave it in.  just to be more clear--war with the crats is not the only thing going on, in the heavens, but it does take up alot of energy and space.  it is one BIG war on a / or of / or in a realm.  and the biggest off-world Corporation that has its hierarchy of officers, CEO's, COO's, disinfo agents, marketing, R&D, HR, managers, et al corp departments.  many on here talk of the paralyzing agents that appear at night, all sorts, the night visitors.  energy suckers that sometimes do and dont, show themselves.  as some of our old girlfriends/crones/oracles would say to each other (but mainly in regards to men, which can be applied here)  "girl! ya gotta know what ur workin with"   so thats where we are now.  finding out what we're workin' with.  u will see twists and turns with some of the info, but the theme is the most important.  energy, karma, enslavement, ascension, death.  this writer has thot out alot.  shes done alot of work.  i want to show it because it crosses many threads, but the themes are the same.  the nexus/zero/endpoints in the endgame.  and its all about CHANGE.  the word everybody keeps throwing around, all over the place, and is a big word attached to the elections.  change is a comin.  one way or the other.  the status quo is bulging at the seams, we are, so is earth, this sector, the sun, nature, the weather, politics, the streets of Iraq, the middle east, america, france, on and on.  all is seething with the taste of, the sense of, the feel of -- change.  something's gotta give.  we feel it, cant be denied.  we see it on a micro and macro scale.  its all about the status quo.  the way its been.  evolution is coming.  it always does.  change is evolution and the crats despise it.  they want their corporation to continue.  they know that when realm borders shift, sun cycles skew, solar winds blow, sunspots and magnetics compel, draw forth, and genetics, and DNA SHIFT positions, portals develop, angles open wider and less is constricted, more is known, and applied, and all becomes less polarized, SHIT/SHIFT HAPPENS.   but their determination is great.  kahn said its 'impeccable.'   they refute change.  and the battle, the above as is so below is about them, and us, and the trap they dont want to leave, dont want us to leave, to leave behind, as evolution COMES.   its their great desire for entropy.  and our great desire to break out of it.  the way out is by evolution.  and by BIORELATIVITY INTERVENTION>  the very thing that FERITCIVA wrote about in his dream and which is inevitable.  look here.   http://members.aol.com/mondosci/fmbr2.pdf      this is what this writer is saying also, just using different terms, and she says what this fabulous document illustrates.  u know this same gorgeous work is connected to the noosphere project montalk showed us long ago.  same principles.  its our JOB to do this.  to Be this.   

"It is without a doubt impossible to understand the torment and the difficulty involved in transcending the human drama on planet Earth, unless you are a being involved in the experience.  Many are under the impression that death releases one from the illusion of the human dance....but we will remain captured in the vicious cycle of emotional enslavement within the 7 planes of distortion which can be identified as greed, fear, pain, suffering, lust, judgment and death."  thats WHERE they are.  there are other planes, but they have these thought-form areas sewed up tight.  theyre not on every plane.  theyre not ruling EVERY area.  just many out there, that mirror the planes and the pain within.  the ones we will have to pass thru, surf over, thru?  avoid entirely?  thats the journey.  as it comes.  as we take it.  "There are multiplicities of those known as ascended masters who continue to operate in deception, subtly enforcing and maintaining control over the vulnerable minds of humanity.  Each organization or individual may justify such embracement of attachment as different from his/her brother.  Within all religions, occult and new age truths are held numerous predecessors of man who remain GAME keepers of this plane.  Man's need to worship outside of himself has been the signature of approval for on going control of his mind.  Such entities that are no longer apart of this plane are stuck and exist within the planes that surround the playing field of Earth.  They sustain their existence by feeding off of the emotional output of humanity; intercepting human thought field by continued injection of frequency patterns of fear, guilt, shame, pain, doubt, jealousy, lack and attachment.  The deception is of such a heightened nature that such beings create a level of comfort within the human mind by providing a balance of insightful knowledge.  This creates continued trust, loyalty and attachment to the parasitic entity that has been providing an illusion of freedom. The Sovereignty of humanity is a feared occurrence as it will bring an end to the actions of the puppeteers and the smoke and mirrors."  worship and channeling fit in here.  all has to be decided by the individual, but yet, and still, biological change is occurring.  and the war/game rages on.

"The GAME encompasses all things, seeking life through human emotion."  "The human need to belong and to be accepted drives the ego to find and provide this candy to the human child."  to belong.  one of the key points in Maslow's hierarchy.  the great human need to be ???  to FIT in.  to be alike?  like everybody else?  like others???  to compare oneself to others, and to have, possess the material things so attached to, that OTHERS have.  once again, key factors in the game.  that keeps the game going, the vicious cycles, circling.   there's hardly any way out.  we talk about it all the time.  its so programmed.  but individuals in camps of sovereignty are evolutionizing ANYWAY.  by CHI.  by lifeforce.  by the power of WILL.

"We must desperately and passionately invoke our will to move beyond the illusion of finality that plagues the mind through disguised thought forms.  Should we fail to invoke this level of passion, we will continue to exist based solely on the old experiences being stored in the brain."    "It is essential that we remain in consciousness awareness that the body/vehicle has been designed to allow humanity to experience the stimulation of varying extremes of electrical impulses recognized by the body and the mind as pain and pleasure within the emotional dance."

Getting Off the Reincarnation Wheel  http://www.spiritinform.com/thereincarnationwheel.htm  key point="You die instead of activating your bodies."  "Your vehicle/starship is designed to fold up and go anywhere and become anything."

"Your body is not just the reflection fed back to you in the mirror.   What do you think that the Egyptians and their rituals of mummification were about what do you think that Secret Societies and Mystery Schools have been attempting to remember?  You see no one can activate this part of your immortality for you.  Despite all the promises of DNA activation and ascension techniques been taught each and everyone of our vehicles were designed with fail safe guards requiring the activation of essential chemical/hormones which will in turn reactivate certain codes in our DNA and can only be activated by that soul, why…because it is the true final phase in the reincarnation cycle.  It is your opportunity to get off the wheel and move on to new creations!"   "The closing out of this cycle as related to 2012 is only the preparation for the achievement of the final phase of this reincarnation wheel for those in alignment with that doorway of potential. Moving out of this phase of programs is essential as the mind must be freed so that the body will be free to begin its ascent in vibration along with the soul."

to summate.  all the soul research is getting closer to be summed up.  getting closer.  the research reveals there are theocrats, it has explained who and what and why they are.  there is a little more to say on them.  they live, theyre not "dead" but they have that area all skewed.  no messages can go in or out, no new data.  so we have to take the data/info we can find, on the hunt, for answers, that just lead to more questions, but one thing seems clear--DO NOT DIE.  we must fight the 'good' fight by NOT DYING.  when u go thru, u have to be alive, aware, conscious.  its the only way.  and u do it by Will, the will to see more, be more aware, and avoid traps.  it may look like death, smell like death, taste like death, but do not LAY DOWN.  do not allow it.  must have the will to NOT PLAY the death game.  the endpoint of their great corporation.  thats their product.  death.  dont give it to them.  i wouldve never guessed that was a key in all the research over many years.  and i know im repeating myself.  but i think it bears repeating.  we've been programmed to think we should and will, die.  but thats just the problem--more programming.  to think, believe we have to die, when im thinking, seeing, equating, maybe we DONT.  even programmed to do so, if the cells will just go along with it.  and they will, since they want to live.  they have their own intelligence.  weve proven that over and over.  stayin alive.  sing the song.  thats how we beat crats.  no hooks.  jump the bardos.  we bring life BACK to the great sun, the great mother, the ultimate crone.  we come home, all good children come home, alive.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"

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The layers of deception and memory loss are vast beyond imagination and are held in place with little resistance by human beings as the fables imparted by self imposed gods and rulers as well as the concept of gods and rulers are so strongly engrained.  This heavily engrained history has been “served up” to us in an assortment, based on culture; race, religion and spiritual history and exist within us as trusted beliefs. These beliefs form our life. We have however been controlled by those appointing themselves as gods, rulers and guardians over humanity. Although there was free will the level at which these agreements were made are so extensive that new layers of deception continue to be overlaid. We must understand that the concepts or blueprint by which the human experience has operated is itself within a system which is part of a number of other systems that are interrelated one within the other.

http://www.spiritinform.com/theascensionofthesoul.htm

....The excitement of unlimited channeling from Ascended Masters, communication with angels and guides. The egos of many of these channels become caught up in the prestige and adoration of being part of these romanticized hierarchal counsels. They felt special in being elected by them to lead humanity and deliver messages of guidance to individuals who would now become dependent on having their lives guided by these so recognized “superior beings”.  Am I implying that such forces do not exist? They most certainly do exist! What humanity is largely unaware of is the history of these beings, their present position in terms of their own evolution and their true impact on the growth of the human race! Many of these so termed ascended masters did not ascend at least not in the true sense of ascension. Many continue to exist in the surrounding plains and from there they interact with humanity. For most this interaction validates their existence as they too are stuck. Validation goes both ways as many experiencing such channeling as the recipient or the vessel experience a validation of their own existence. Many of these ‘ascended masters’ are unable to move to more expansive realms for a number of reasons. They too are suffering the effects of the system programs prior to transitioning from this realm.  Consciousness shifts made by humanity will affect their own movement or existence. As each of us awakens on deeper levels we initiate a severing of the programs that bind. The possibility of exiting this soul/karmic/reincarnation cycle becomes more strongly embedded as a possibility and is circulated through the morphegenic field...

We enslave ourselves when we do not expand on the information given. When we do not stretch our curiosity beyond already structured ideas one becomes confined to motionless concepts. Concepts and ideas require the stimulation of the emotion of curiosity. It is our nature to willingly surrender to being programmed especially in association with those things which form the base of human direction; religion, spiritual guidance, culture, entertainment, social identity, education and the formation of our livelihood.  How do we bypass the illusion, by surrendering to your inner guidance, becoming spiritually sovereign by trusting the creator that you are.....These base programs fluctuate according to the timeline within which we are having our human experience in other words as souls enter each timeline such as a period or year 1920, 2008, 2020 etc ., they will on a cellular level absorb the history of all preceding civilizations. Through this automatic process the three aspects of mind; mental, physical and spiritual are gradually predominantly ran by these codes/programs as we have been prepped to easily succumb to most all programs associated with our environment. Please be reminded that it is the misinterpretations of these symbols which have been instilled in us with shades of the original meaning intergrated into the deception. As we build our lives from these formulas or programs each soul/individual will have his or her unique reaction or response to these accumulated programs.

In life these emotions cause great difficulty in the individual’s ability to move forward while involved in the experience. This result in a stall or halt to our growth process and the body prepares to die.  Until the anticipated death process takes place our lives are spent in the survival mode, nurturing the traumas, disappointment and unfinished business trapped in the subconscious mind.  We respond to situations, relationships as well as ourselves based on these ongoing stored emotions in the subconscious.  Adverse reactions are compounded.  This is a recipe that will undoubtedly ensure ones return on the karma/reincarnation wheel.  The concept of past lives is all tied into this process as past, present and future exist simultaneously.  This is all based on shifts in the vibration of our consciousness unconfined to a one dimensional view of time and the position of points in time.  The concept of death is approached with a one dimensional view and continues through into the afterlife and is held by the soul into the next incarnation.....The soul’s configuration for its return on the time cycle is mapped based on cosmic and planetary sequences.  What we are not told or reminded of is the spiritual stage of maturity in which we shift from this constricted mode of existence which has been supported by this limited memory of the souls mission to ascend into the expansiveness our Christ consciousness.   The system is designed with specificities to ensure the continued existence of the human experience.  A number of unfolding souls are under the impression that the system will disappear all together but as I have said before it will not as it is held firmly in the minds of many.  It is familiar ground especially for those who have not yet began to awaken to a deeper level of curiosity. Reality is based on what we can perceive as a possibility.

To understand the concept of a matrix or a system as a designated construct intended to function on specific concepts, will greatly aid in ones awakening.  This will in turn stimulate a shift in consciousness beyond the limitations of this third dimensional field. These human experiences although necessary in the fulfillment of the game, need not be repeated endlessly.  The planet is over crowded with souls trapped in the cycle of forgetfulness, returning again and again.

The old aspect of the soul has been fully functional for the third dimension and once the awareness in born in the individual that concept of the soul will simply be reintegrated into our elevated consciousness. THE SOUL IS NOT LOST OR DISCARDED but is simply elevated or converges with the more expansive aspect of consciousness or Christ consciousness; fluidity in movement through time and space...conscious energy in motion.  This structured aspect of the soul is tied into the laws of physics as it was designed as a navigation system for the journey into the third dimension.

These energy patterns are linked to collective consciousness.  The earth although a system in itself, is not the imprisoning system but is enveloped by this spherical field.  This field acts as a locked gate and has been designed to continue its existence just as long as collective consciousness continues to operate based on these laws that are the system itself.  This system is in full awareness of the vibration of the general consciousness on the planet through uploads and downloads which take place on an ongoing basis.  This is technology supported by electromagnetic fields, energy patterns of which consciousness and the physical world exists; a matter of color, light and sound waves. There are system lords, conscious creators and game masters.  Some impact on our lives through our subscription to ascended masters, channels and guides.  We are the result of someone else’s dream or imagination, meaning our entrance into the game as it has been played out.  We are fulfilling a fantasy.  We are here representing an aspect of that consciousness which needed to have the experience of the game but unable to enter its creation as full consciousness or awareness.... These systems are regulated and exist within much larger systems the main frame of which is the consciousness that supports the universe.  Universes are created from a level of consciousness at the subatomic realm and overtime it expands as a field of intelligence coded with a particular concept of the life forms and potential experiences that will be accommodated within it for continued observation of itself.  As we reengage this memory we begin our return to being conscious creators of worlds not yet dreamt.  We are the substance and the embodiment of all that we seek to discover.  We are creation itself unlimited and eternally unfolding.

for review.  and i know its long.  but the game of death is in this game.  i just keep getting that.  i know, for me, thats been the grail key point rather than ascension, but that got in there big.  the fight with the crats, being held up in their game is what i get out of reading that, that were in a fantasy that belonged to somebody or something else.   its always felt that way.  and then, not wanting to "play" anymore.  only til one gets that is it clearer.  they hold the playing ground.  they rule from that vantage point.  of apparently not remembering enuf.  but NOT this time.  as an old soul, its certainly taken me awhile then, to get it.  or to choose this last time (9th cycle) to break free.  and remember the old adage--and old soul is a slow-learner.  but hey not entirely, i think it takes a long time to get that fluffy look in ur eye.  then u finally build ur soul so UP that u just cant take "it" anymore.  and u keep developing urself, peeling onion layers so u can finally get clear.  my warrior soul parts tell me this.  and only some of us want this part.  to take it on.  so theres a mix of stuff in this.  put an end to the matrix for a better way/day.  and they get out with us.    we said this last yr.  and all along we thot we were the prisoners, when THEY ARE.  so here we have an ultimate way to say F U to the game.  we get out by not dying if we believe thats a way.  and i think that the way to fight, ultimately.  by simply not playing the death-game.  without it, they have nothing.  and we have everything.  looking back and forth and feeling it now.  i make myself get into this to keep focused on a daily basis.  no matter how determined, its easy to be swayed, into sleep, fatique, everyday life.  take out the garbage, take a shower and unwind the hair out of the turban, (HA Millenium!)  and so it goes on mundane earth with the battle raging on.   clear up all unfinished bizness.  been doin alot of that, talking with the sister on old family dynamics.  egads--the stuff!!!  but as the dirt and silt clear, we do.  we break clearer.  unfettered.  and we dont have to die.  i keep telling my sister that.  we are getting out of here, alive.  and what a grand way to not play the pen-ultimate game.  we keep saying that and i wanted to apply it here.  that death is more programming we have to reject.

GNOTHI SEAUTON "Know Thyself!"