Topic: MatrixV Val Valerian

Aloha everyone! I am a new member but have been around these topics for a while........anyways just wanted to ask if anyone here has read Matrix V by Val Valerian? After reading the book and then getting deep into the C's I found a bunch of similarities w/ the material presented by "The Auther" in Matrix V and the material transcribed from the C's. I know there was a connection and slight relationship between Val and Laura but never found out what really went on between them? I have a good feeling Val is "the Auther" and he may have borrowed some material from Laura.........not sure if anyone here knows a little on what may have went on with them or not and ask for anyone to feel free to share there comments on Matrix V and whatever...... Aloha

11:11 wake up 2012 is coming.........

2 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-09-29 15:16:47)

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

In my opinion, the Matrix V material is a mixture of useful information ripped off from other sources (David Icke, Robert Monroe) along with an unhealthy dose of disinformation crappola. I have attempted to communicate with the Author to question him about some of his more extreme statements (i.e. "heterosexuality is spirituality abhorent") but he responded with only rudeness and colorful insults. After a little digging around on the Internet, it seems that Valdemar Valerian is really a guy named John Grace who was a captain in the US Airforce, specifically the Intelligence (hah!) Division, and may have connections to the CIA and--perhaps--MJ12. He and John Lear admittedly fabricated the KRLL story, about an alien living on Earth. I don't know about his connections to LKJ, but she's another link in the disinformation chain as far as I am concerned. And as for Val being the Author, I am pretty sure that this is not the case due to having previous communications with people who know who the Author is. If you choose to read the information contained in any of the books produced by LEIRG, be sure to have your bullshit detectors on full alert: you'll need them.

EDIT: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

3 (edited by Xenopope 2004-09-29 15:22:23)

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Welcome 11:11. Your user name is my street address without the colon.

Yes I have read the book. At the time I think I understood the meaning behind what he was saying about heterosexuality being 'abhorrent'. I thought the point was that harmonius existence in physical bodies was tainted by the division of the sexes. He may have also cited the way heterosexuality was initially recieved in the community (comparable to the way homosexuality is recieved in ours).

In any event there is something awry about the author especially after hearing about the way he responded to both you and montalk.

Neomatrix wrote:

He and John Lear admittedly fabricated the KRLL story, about an alien living on Earth. I don't know about his connections to LKJ, but she's another link in the disinformation chain as far as I am concerned.

KRLL story? LKJ? please specify. ahh. I see KRLL referenced in the C link.

I am as is Void.

4 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-09-29 15:51:15)

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

Xenopope wrote:

Yes I have read the book. At the time I think I understood the meaning behind what he was saying about heterosexuality being 'abhorrent'. I thought the point was that harmonius existence in physical bodies was tainted by the division of the sexes. He may have also cited the way heterosexuality was initially recieved in the community (comparable to the way homosexuality is recieved in ours).

Well, think about it for a moment. Don't you find it just a little bit BIZARRE that they sell this book to you with the party line of "If you identity with your physical body or your gender you are not ready for this material," then turn around and say that heterosexuality is spiritually abhorent? Ummmn, okay. But, isn't that body/gender ID?

Xenopope wrote:

In any event there is something awry about the author especially after hearing about the way he responded to both you and montalk.

When I asked the Author about this whole heterosexuality being "bad" deal, he responded to say that I was merely not ready for the Matrix V materials and that I was obviously an "incarnational wannabe" and to stick with material at my own "level". I replied to ask him how he could even pretend to make such an arrogant assumption about me. He replied to call me a "Whore-ass" and told me that I was now blocked from further communication. Go figure.

I was also running a Matrix V discussion forum on Yahoo! groups, but after Valerian and his stooges had it shut down three times I gave up. Makes you wonder what they are so afraid of?

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

5 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-09-29 15:38:15)

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Okay, here's something else for you all. A brief email conversation between myself and Duncan Roads, the editor of NEXUS magazine. They had done a review on Matrix V.

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Hello,

I believe that in an earlier issue of your NEXUS magazine you reviewed  the Matrix V Gold Edition material, published by Val Valerian's Leading  Edge Research. I had not been familiar with your magazine until now,  and I was interested in what your conclusions were about this material?  I have tried on numerous occasions in the past to e-mail the anonymous  author of this material with questions I had about some paradoxical  statements that they made. For example, whilst apparently advocating  that the body and its gender are both material illusions that we need  to move beyond in order to evolve spiritually, they also state  elsewhere on their website that heterosexual sex is spiritually  abhorent. The author is also very dismissive of women, frequently  referring to them as "bitches" and "cunts". After receiving some very  hostile and judgemental responses to my simple questions, my e-mail  accounts were blocked from further communication. Finally, after our  latest exchange, the Post Publication Segments and Q&A sections on the  M5G website have been closed off to non-M5G owners. I had been  reviewing the material on the website in order to decide whether it  would be worth ponying up the $60+ to buy this book; obviously the  author doesn't understand that calling people who are interested in purchasing your material a "Whore-Ass" isn't good salesmanship! On the  new gateway page for access to the post publication segments, the  following statement now appears: "Observing over time, we have noticed  a few frustrated detractors out there, but without exception, every one  of them has not actually read the book - they react to material they do  not comprehend and come up with ludicrous conclusions. Just like the  bimbo at Nexus magazine. Dumb as a bag of hammers." This is what led me  to your magazine, and why I would be interested in what your  conclusions were.

Thanks, Jason

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Dear Jason,
Your email made me smile.  I knew that somewhere out there, there had  to be intelligent life smile

I have a policy of NOT reviewing books I don't like.  I would rather  not waste space with a negative on someone's work, but would rather  publish a positive on someone else's.
But with Val's case I made an exception, purely because I promised I  would publish a review if he sent me a free copy (which he did).
The reviewer, Ruth Parnell, and I both were disappointed with the book.   His previous research compilations were interesting, and left one able  to draw many conclusions.  But this one - I think he has gone over the  top with his personal issues etc.

Below is a copy of the review, which appeared in NEXUS, volume 8,  number 5 (Aug-Sept 2001).  We were pretty light on him considering, but  he hit the roof.  Only a couple of weeks ago he sent me a 30+ page of  positive responses (mostly from men I notice) with the intent of  rubbing my nose in the majority of public opinion.

Anyway, I find I share most of your observations about the book, as  should any reasonable person.

best wishes

Duncan

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MATRIX V:  Quest of the Spirit – The Ultimate Frontier
by Val Valerian
Leading Edge Research Group, USA, 2001
ISBN n/a (550pp velo-bound)
Price:  US$59.99 postpaid in USA; US$74.95 postpaid to Canada, Mexico;  US$89.95 postpaid elsewhere
Distributor:  USA–Leading Edge International Research Group, PO Box  2370, Yelm, WA 98597, email val_@    trufax.org, website www.trufax.org
Frontier researcher Val Valerian suggested I allocate two weeks to  review this latest volume in the Leading Edge Matrix series, but I'm  lucky if I've got two hours to take in and describe the expanse of  content in Matrix V:  Quest of the Spirit – the Ultimate Frontier.  He  also suggested I suspend all notions of "body and gender identification  beliefs" while I read it.  That's easier said than done, even for  someone of a paradigm-busting mentality, as some of the material on  sexuality seems to smack of "spiritual sexism", to coin a new term.  By  the reasoning of the author (and I'm not sure if it is Valerian), few  women can consider themselves on their "final incarnation" in  third-density reality because they do not have the "unlimited creative  ability" of men!
This book (it's velo-bound, so it's more a collection of papers) is  meant to guide us towards the ultimate frontier, accessible via the  Higher Self.  However, the author seems to see some overriding ancient  Orion agenda inhibiting women's ability to connect properly with their  Higher Self.  Thinking readers who have ever contemplated and  actualised their higher spiritual nature will be somewhat aghast at  some of these stances.
While acknowledging a debt to out-of-body pioneer Robert Monroe, Matrix  V claims to present material to take us to territory beyond what Monroe  even dared to describe.  On principle, I'm wary of a book introduced as  "the only book that exists on the planet right now that has this high  level of information", but I'll leave readers to judge for themselves.   No doubt fans of this series will want to continue the journey started  with the first Matrix in 1988 and bury themselves in this one for weeks  on end; they'll also welcome the reprint of the complete Handbook for  the New Paradigm.

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Duncan M. Roads,  Editor, NEXUS Magazine
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia.
Tel:  07 5442 9280;  Fax:  07 5442 9381
http://www.nexusmagazine.com

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

Wow. I'm glad I never shelled out $60 for Matrix V when I was considering it a few months back. Thanks for posting this Neo. Valerian seems to have some seriously negative intent, whether it's misinformation or outright disinformation. I can't believe someone who talks about suspending notions of the body would have such a huge ego, which tells me he has trouble practicing what he preaches.

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

[quote=And as for Val being the Author, I am pretty sure that this is not the case due to having previous communications with people who know who the Author is


If you dont mind me asking what did these people who knew the author say?
Its funny because i have wrote to Val befor on various subjects and recieved the same sarcastic harsh replys, but did recieve a reply once where he said I was more advanced than he previously stated..........I valuble information within everything the unverse puts infront of me as for Val you must ignor his impatient personality and take what usefull information you can. It was accually reading Val's Matrix IV  when i was 12 that got me jump started into finding what the truth to reality is................and eventually who we really are
thank you and Aloha

11:11 wake up 2012 is coming.........

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

Maybe _someone_ found out how injurious the Matrix volumes were to to the control system and decided to _replace_ Valerian with a reptoid or other clearly different being.  Maybe _they_ completely infiltrated LEIRG and turned its focus towards another adjenda. That would explain the difference in content between previous Matrix volumes and the fifth installation.

I am as is Void.

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

11:11matrix wrote:

If you dont mind me asking what did these people who knew the author say?

That the author's name is Glen and that he lives in New Jersey.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

10 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-09-29 23:04:36)

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Xenopope wrote:

Maybe _someone_ found out how injurious the Matrix volumes were to to the control system and decided to _replace_ Valerian with a reptoid or other clearly different being.  Maybe _they_ completely infiltrated LEIRG and turned its focus towards another adjenda. That would explain the difference in content between previous Matrix volumes and the fifth installation.

Nah, the Matrix volumes are merely a part of the control system, but operating at a higher level. People often think that just because someone is talking about higher levels of consciousness, and how the governments of the world are corrupt and screwing us over, and about aliens on Earth, etc, etc, that they are obviously to be trusted and that they are on "our side". Not so. The MCS works at MANY levels, especially within the New Age and related movements. Misdirection and obfuscation are the order of the day.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe

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well, firstly anyone who anonymously writes books while hiding behind a psuedonym should be closely scrutinized.

sorry, never read any of these volumes but they just dont sound right to me at all.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

(F) They can shape-shift, but only for a limited period of time.
(L) Because it takes 3rd density energy to do that.

Could someone who is familiar help me with this? My question is what, specifically, would be the difference between 3rd density energy and that of other densities? Concentration? Location?

I've read interpretations of the dimensions and densities, but many vary by a degree ranging from subtle to substantial.

New thread is located here -

http://montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=7095#7095

I am as is Void.

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well i guess one of the major differences is frequency, one from a higher density or higher frequency must down step ones energy and matter to a lower vibration to withold a physical state.
In David Ickes work I think it is discussed that they need to consume human blood and perform rituals that give them the 3d energy that is required to shapeshift.

11:11 wake up 2012 is coming.........

Re: MatrixV Val Valerian

There are two more books after The Quest of the Spirit-The Ultimate
Frontier. The Graduation Key and the third in the series is The Journey
which is available in September.

I read the first book and thought it was ok except for the rants on women.
My opinion is... if you are a more advanced spirit, physical sex or what
gender you are is not important, it's more about understanding
the Higher Self and your reason for being here in 3d. You then look at others and think...that's me but in a different time frequency...I was like that once. You become more and more STO and see STS for what it is. You
end up a blend of both STO and STS.
Hey...it's all food for thought... matching experience with
what you have read and what rings true for you.