511 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-12-25 12:10:45)

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I haven't come across that point of view in my experience with the material.The point was that the New Age loveburger-type tends to soak up spirituality without acting on it.

It's implied but beside the point.

Very few people act on it.  The Point is that demonsionals aren't going to change anything either, their message is not new, and nothing has changed because of them.  They can spin their stories all day long but it doesn't make what is said any more true than anything else that's come from non-human beings.  It's all the same.  What makes it different in your mind is that you believe what they say.

Eventually, humans will prove oneness and equality for themselves, either on earth or in the dimensions. From what the dimensions tell us, I'd want to do it here first, because believing in the fairy tale picture book of ascensions, angels, masters, gods and goddesses isn't going to help you there.

Demonsionals are now the new "angels, masters, gods and goddesses" to follow.  And you are following right along.  You see, I don't follow any group of beings and eat up everything they say.  I look at the message.  I test the message.  I tear it apart to see if it stands.  I take what is still left standing and leave the rest.  By believing everything the wonderful never-tell-a-lie demonsionals tell you, you are setting yourself up just like people that believe everything the bible says.  It's the exact same concept.  Same with the new-age stuff.  Wrap it up in pretty paper and they'll eat it all up.  Like putting a drop of cianide in a glass of chocolate milk.  It's a dangerous game to accept gifts from strangers without full examination of all the parts.  Just because they run around yelling "oneness and equality" doesn't mean they aren't lying to you.  You denounce the new-age and do the exact same thing.  Just replace the new-age gurus with demonsionals.

Not sure why you are so obsessed about which message being "first."

You should know by now, I can see right through your twists.  You imply that the demonsionals are doing what none before have done.  Yet under examination we know this is untrue.  Then you twist it and call me obessessed with what message was first.  Good way to completely skirt the point.  I can point these non-sequitors out to you all day long.  I guess it will only stop when I get tired of pointing them out.  Because we know by now that you will not exercise honesty.  But at least it gives real-time examples of what the ego mind comes up with when confronted with reality.

I'm very sorry, z. You must be crushed to realize that you have been led around like a lost puppy by these profound messengers of the White Light. The Cassiopeians  were just another unit of astute bullshit, and you and Spi fell for it. Hey, ring 'em up for me and tell them kid mongo said they're scared chicken yella, and I dare them to repudiate the Desteni message. OH, I FORGOT! They no longer exist since they were an automated, programmed bullshitting device. All Hail Bucky Beaver!! woo woo.

And then we can see the follow through to get the poor little ego back to where it thinks itself to be back on top.

How about this.  The points of reptilians no longer existing, false heavens gone, and all that other are lies.  But they wrap these lies up in sound good concepts that people can agree with.  So then the hook is taken along with the bait.

There is no proof of what the demonsionals say.  And even more, there is no proof that there are some non-physical beings speaking through a human portal in South Africa.  It's only belief.  Just like all the new-age stuff that you rail against.  The only difference here is that you beLIEve the demonsionals.  That's all.  That is the reality of the situation.

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Let's follow through.

There is no proof of what the Cs say or any of the other new-age channelings and volumes of books.  None of us here have the market cornered on truth.  To believe one group and not another is foolish because given our circumstances belief is foolish.  We must separate the messages from the source.  Then see how the messages fit or not.  We have to apply probabilites based on evidence.  Otherwise we are setting ourselves up for the same enslavement that's been going on since pre-history.

There is nothing wrong with accepting the reality of this.  The ego does not have to be maintained.  It feels much better when we can drop our illusions and face the reality of the situation.  There's nothing wrong with accepting that the desteni messages have good concepts but the rest of it's unprovable.  That doesn't mean they are right and it doesn't mean they are wrong.  Since we can't prove most anything given the limited constructs we occupy then we are best to not believe anything but not disbelieve anything either.  Belief and disbelief are traps.  We can hold everything as possible and assign probabilities based on the evidence.  That's the best we can do without falling for more traps.

When we can see the same manipulations in the desteni material that we do in religion and politics then it's only logical to be extra careful.  The ego's need to be right and be part of a group is a trap.  There's no real need for it and to fall into the trap, well look at humanity now.

I can't prove the desteni material is right or wrong.  Neither can you.  I can't prove the Cs are right or wrong.  Neither can you.  No one is going to think worse of you for accepting the reality of this.

In fact, it feels a lot better when you don't feel the need to defend something someone else says just because you want to believe it.  Whenever I quote the Cs I try to make it clear that much (not all) of what is said simply makes sense to me and that's all.  I understand and will readily admit that they could be completely 100% false.  I will readily admit that everything I have ever come to know could be completely false.  Are you?  Can you look objectively at the desteni material?  Can you take off your subjective glasses and see it for what it is?

If we are going to free ourselves from this mess then we must be 100% adaptable.  We must be willing to drop everything at any time or pick anything up and try it on.  We must be willing to starve the ego so that we don't continue to be trapped by those that know how to manipulate it.  We must learn the manipulations so that we can see them wherever they may appear, including from ourselves.

Then nothing can contain us.  Nothing can detain us.  Nothing can enslave us.

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Spi wrote:

kid mongo, how about some SOTT wine if you like?

No thanks. Never touch the stuff.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

514 (edited by kid mongo 2007-12-25 13:20:02)

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z3n3rg wrote:

There is nothing wrong with accepting the reality of this.  The ego does not have to be maintained.  It feels much better when we can drop our illusions and face the reality of the situation.  There's nothing wrong with accepting that the desteni messages have good concepts but the rest of it's unprovable.

Like I've said before, oneness and equality will be proven to all as the only way to live.

In fact, it feels a lot better when you don't feel the need to defend something someone else says just because you want to believe it.  Whenever I quote the Cs I try to make it clear that much (not all) of what is said simply makes sense to me and that's all.  I understand and will readily admit that they could be completely 100% false.  I will readily admit that everything I have ever come to know could be completely false.  Are you?  Can you look objectively at the desteni material?  Can you take off your subjective glasses and see it for what it is?

As I have said before, I have proven the tools provided by the dimensions for myself. They work for me and all of those who apply them. Maybe they would work for you, too. Maybe if you just apply them with brutal self-honesty, you would see for yourself.

If we are going to free ourselves from this mess then we must be 100% adaptable.  We must be willing to drop everything at any time or pick anything up and try it on.  We must be willing to starve the ego so that we don't continue to be trapped by those that know how to manipulate it.  We must learn the manipulations so that we can see them wherever they may appear, including from ourselves.

Then nothing can contain us.  Nothing can detain us.  Nothing can enslave us.

Be careful of self-deception. As long as you participate within the unified consciousness field, you are indeed trapped.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

515 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-12-25 14:46:10)

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kid mongo wrote:

Like I've said before, oneness and equality will be proven to all as the only way to live.

I'm not talking about oneness and equality.  We went over that already.  We are already one and equal.

As I have said before, I have proven the tools provided by the dimensions for myself. They work for me and all of those who apply them. Maybe they would work for you, too. Maybe if you just apply them with brutal self-honesty, you would see for yourself.

I've already been applying the valid concepts that are contained in the material before the material existed.  Stop turning it around.  If they work for you that's fantastic.  They're supposed to work or else they wouldn't be valid.  For the hundrendth time, it's not the valid concepts that I'm pointing out.  Block that point out all you want it still remains.

Be careful of self-deception. As long as you participate within the unified consciousness field, you are indeed trapped.

If there's a unified consciousness field then we are all participating in it including the demonsionals because they are now, according to them, inside humans and speaking through humans which requires thought which further means, according to them that we are all trapped including them.

Of course, I do realize that this can go on forever.  That I make points, you ignore them and repeat yourself as though I never made the point to begin with.  Or take the point, put it through your own subjective mental matrix, spit the point out all distorted and then tell how that distorted replication is not valid.  I suppose for me it's a good lesson in the transmutation of irritation.  It's like speaking to a programmed logic loop.

For the moment though, I grow tired of the repetition.  So I guess it's going to be more pages of video links.  I'll leave you to that.

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Thanks for stopping by.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Merry Christmas to you two.

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Pecco Ergo Sum.

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Happy Holidays, Spi!

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Mens rea.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

521 (edited by panda 2007-12-25 19:52:52)

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I haven't read the whole thread, but wanted to see what the hoo-haa was about, so I watched half of the Anna Nicole Smith video...

The lady channeling reminds me of when I would have to give a 3 minute talk at school after not having done the required work, so filling the talk with more fluff than content.

Also, I think the bona-fide Anna Nicole would be more savvy than to pick her ear on camera.

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kid mongo wrote:

Mens rea.

Actus non facit reum, nisi mens sit rea.

Guilt is the fabrication of man.

523 (edited by covertmetaphor 2007-12-25 20:06:49)

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panda wrote:

I haven't read the whole thread, but wanted to see what the hoo-haa was about, so I watched half of the Anna Nicole Smith video...

The lady channeling reminds me of when I would have to give a 3 minute talk at school after not having done the required work, so filling the talk with more fluff than content.

Also, I think the bona-fide Anna Nicole would be more savvy than to pick her ear on camera.

That won't stop Desteni's cheerleader from singing the same chant over and over, "You're either with us or you're not. There is no other way but ours."

The doctrine is only in black and white. Watch as the same arguments are regurgitated and yours are ignored. Very convenient.

Unfortunately this type of persistence will break some people down.

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You're too kind.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

525 (edited by Sandra33 2007-12-27 03:47:35)

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covertmetaphor wrote:

That won't stop Desteni's cheerleader from singing the same chant over and over, "You're either with us or you're not. There is no other way but ours."
The doctrine is only in black and white. Watch as the same arguments are regurgitated and yours are ignored. Very convenient.
Unfortunately this type of persistence will break some people down

And what is the point of it all? Why the constant attacking by Destenians if the goal is oneness and equallity? Their answer will be that they are only attacking the mind system, but only a very active mind will take the time to offend others.  I came across something that answers the first question:
"Being a demon is about feeding the endless emptyness". There is a goal!
If I were a demon, at the verge of extinction I would say that I am dead already or... that I have forgiven myself and I am now here to "help"you do the same! What I would need then is mindless followers.That would garanty my existence, just by handling it cleverly in making people think THAT is the rigt and only way.