1 (edited by lyra 2004-08-30 12:17:43)

Topic: Charley - Were Scalar Weapons Used?

Normally I would have included this in the "What's the update on Florida?" thread, but this was interesting enough to warrant its own conspiracy thread, due to its implications.   We have another hurricane barreling towards the Bahamas and probably Florida, and if "they" are in fact manipulating the weather (Solofleks mentioned her suspicions on this too)  then we need to keep this in mind.

From Rense today:


Charley - Scalar Electromagnetics Used?
By Michael Edward
World Vision Portal.org
8-30-4

First, a brief background regarding Scalar Electromagnetics and how they effect weather and the human mind.
 
The key discovery made by Tesla in the late 1800,s was that the earth itself reverberated with a pulsing electrical current in the low ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) range. Tesla had also discovered the exact frequency at which the earth normally pulsates. These natural waves are created as a result of electrical activity in the atmosphere. Collectively, these waves are called The Schumann Resonance. These are quasi-standing [SCALAR] ELF waves that naturally exist in the earth's electromagnetic cavity, the space between the ground and the Ionosphere.
 
By causing many towers [HAARP, GWEN, etc.] to pulse with the exact ELF frequency of the normal earth pulsation, scientists have learned how to not only create, but also how to maneuver and direct storms. Tesla,s discovery can duplicate almost every single phenomena of nature, from cyclones to tornados; and now, with Solar Power Satellites used in conjunction with land based towers, weather Control is just that simple.
 
GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency Network) transmitter towers bathe the entire U.S. in an artificial magnetic field which can rise from the ground to 500 ft, but also goes down into the ground as deep as a normal basement. Everyone can be affected and mind-controlled. This entire artificial ground wave spreads out over North America like a spider,s web.
 
The natural earth ELF waves are identical to the frequency spectrum of our human brainwaves, and it has been proven that the use of an ELF bombardment - at the same frequency as the human brain - can change a person's thoughts or emotions. In the early 1960,s, Dr Andrija Puharich discovered various mental effects of ELF, specifically that 7.83 Hz (the earth's pulse rate) made a person feel good, producing an altered-state; that 10.80 Hz caused riotous behavior; and that 6.6 Hz caused depression. It has since been discovered that 10 Hz puts people into a hypnotic state.
 
In speaking with everyone I can who survived the direct path of Hurricane Charley, I have begun to see a definite pattern in their stories. At first, it appeared that this was the effect of rapid barometric pressure changes that accompany powerful hurricanes. But people were not just describing the pressure they felt in their ears or the other physical signs of rapid pressure changes. Rather, they were describing extreme mental and mood changes they could not control.
 
About an hour before the center of Hurricane Charley passed over, survivors have described how they became very tired, depressed, and lethargic. While an approaching hurricane would depress just about anyone anticipating its arrival, the depression every survivor has described was not the anxiety depression such anticipation would typically invoke. This was an overall mental and physical depression that even affected them with general body aches and a widespread feeling of non-wellbeing. Almost all said it was as if they were drugged with a pain killer, but without the "goofy side effects. They could do the things they needed to do, such as get mattresses into their bathrooms to huddle under, but their thinking seemed "surreal.
 
When the eye passed over, they described feeling "numbed, both mentally and physically. While a few took a look outside to see if it was all over, most said they just didn,t have a thought to do anything other than sleep and not move an inch from where they were............

(Click here to read the rest:  http://www.rense.com/general57/scaar.htm )

I don't know if this guy is making something out of nothing.  Maybe nothing funny happened with Charley.    But we know that "they" have this type of technology and I'm sure are more than able to manipulate the weather on a whim.   I've seen regular people do so with simple cloud busting devises pieced together from random parts purchased at Home Depot.   So I'm SURE that the secret black ops faction of the guv'ment can do this, no problem.

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A nice piece on the Schumann Resonance from
http://nexusmagazine.com/
:
http://nexusmagazine.com/articles/schumann.html

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i dont know about that
i went through charley and frances
i didnt feel to drowzing
the only time i felt drowzing and lethargic, was when the power had gone out. good theory though.

not all that wander
are lost

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Now that there has been another hurricane, maybe we should reconsider this topic.  For those who were there, any unusual feelings?  And if TPTB are doing this, what would their goal be?  Draw down some asteriods in a controlled fashion?  Economic havoc when the insurance companies collapse?  Distraction?  Creating an excuse to postpone the elections?  Give the Bush bros. some good publicity?  Just wildly speculating here.... 
Kathy

Never Give Up!

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freeme wrote:

Now that there has been another hurricane, maybe we should reconsider this topic.  For those who were there, any unusual feelings?  And if TPTB are doing this, what would their goal be?

Well, myself and a few others I've talked to had nasty headaches yesterday, the day following the hurricane.

A friend of mine wrote this in an email to me yesterday, I hadn't yet considered this--

"I bet come election day all the voting place locations will have been moved around more then once."

Possibly one goal, one form of manipulation?

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i dont know, i think these hurricanes are more like "God's" wrath on the Bushes....

like when baby bush started the Iraq war, the space shuttle exploded and most of the debris fell all over texas...

i dunno thats just my take on it.

but the thought of gov't manipulating weather isnt completly out of consideration

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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zonabi,

As much as I may think it's something I should just consider letting go of, becasue this is your personal opinion, your personal "take on it", I can't and I won't. Please bear with me, and try not to take it personally, okay?  I'm just really kinda surprised to find you have written this--

zonabi wrote:

i dont know, i think these hurricanes are more like "God's" wrath on the Bushes....

This is the third time in as many days I've been aface this particular sentiment... this is such archaic thinking I could just scream and cry with sadness, not anger. 

What kind of god do you suscribe to, or espouse, zonabi?  The kind of god that would maim and kill hundreds of innocent human beings, and trash the quality of the lives of tens of thousands more as retribution for two brothers and their roles as political figures? 

Think about it dude. 

If the god you write of is so all powerful to possess this kind of wrath why not just throw a lightening bolt on both their heads and be done with them in a matter of seconds?  Is the god you write of only wrathful? Is there no mercy in this god? I just don't understand this kind of sentiment. It makes no sense to me.

I so want to ask if you really believe this kwap because I'm having a hard time believing you, or anyone else, could believe this, but you wrote it so what other choice do I have?

I'm not judging you my dear, I'm just really, once again, surprised... I guess I just wouldn't have guessed you to think this way having followed other words of yours since you've been on the board.

And it's, of course, okay to think and believe whatever you'd like, but, I dunno... this is just my take on your comment.

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zonabi wrote:

i dont know, i think these hurricanes are more like "God's" wrath on the Bushes....

And Haiti?????  What did they do?  Even here, even me, we still have a US dominated view of things.  It hard, really hard to break out of these mind traps.  For myself , I was very disappointed in myself when I didn't notice the storm until it reached the US.  I have resolved to change.  So, from now on, whenever I see the letters US, USA, America, etc.  I will STOP and do a quick mental survey of the globe and remember that the US is a small part of it.  Hopefully, that will do it.

As for a potential government agenda, I'm sure the Haitians lives would be no big deal to them, but I think that four hurricanes to change the voting booths might be a little overkill. But who knows? smile

Kathy

Never Give Up!

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well, what kind of God would let petty humans take control of the world and corrupt it so horribly ??

why not just FLOOD the entire place ?
oh wait, thats happened already....

what kind of god ? Earth God.

im not one who believes in a singular god, so maybe my post was a bit misleading. but i did put "god" in quotations for a reason.

what im getting at is, maybe the Earth is pissed off with all the bullsh!t and is fighting back ?

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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oh, here's another theory on the hurricanes;

any of you heard of planet x ?

if it is true, then it may make some sense that it's pull on the Atlantic Plate (which is heavily magnetic, moreso than the Pacific) may be causing the hurricanes. websites claimed that planet X would have a great pull on the Atlantic plate cuz of its magnetic density (or whatever)

this idea just popped in my head 2 days ago when discussing this with my other half.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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zonabi wrote:

well, what kind of God would let petty humans take control of the world and corrupt it so horribly ??

Well, there ya go. Maybe it has more to do with something else besides "God", eh? wink

There are all kinds of theories flying left and right about the unusual nature of so many crankin' hurricanes beating on FL, so many it's almost mind boggling.  Do I know what to think about it conclusively? Heck no! The wrath or retribution of god thing is a hard pill for me to swallow though, I'm not buying this one. And this is not a comment aimed at you zonabi, we seem to have cleared up an inconsequential misunderstanding (thanks for not going off on me z), but there are loads of people out there who darn well do believe it, with every fiber of their being.

The planet regurgitating the awful energy that has been dumped on it makes more sense to me, as well as does an interstellar body approaching our neck of the galactic woods and affecting weather patterns. Hmmm... but an alien agenda and manipulation coupled with our particular troubled times (political situation) isn't too far behind either one of these possibilties. It may very well be that these two first mentioned reasons for the freakish weather here in FL give the last reason an advantage to effect what may seem like unlikely manipulation.

Who knows, maybe the four hurricanes are nothing more than coincidence, the unluck of the draw compliments of mother natures cycling. As I noted on the "What's the latest in FL" page, four hurricanes have hit one lone state before (1886), in TX... was the Bush dynasty alive and well then and wreaking havoc? Seems unlikely, huh? I have no doubt odd weather patterns are part and parcel of planetary activity, and have been timelessly.

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my friend, nothing you say will upset me, for i am very open minded like yourself. i understand your understanding (or lack thereof) of my theories, and i take your words into consideration as well to compare to what i "believe" at the moment and what i speculate.

thats what we're doing here anyways, comparing notes.

auendove wrote:

Who knows, maybe the four hurricanes are nothing more than coincidence, the unluck of the draw compliments of mother natures cycling. As I noted on the "What's the latest in FL" page, four hurricanes have hit one lone state before (1886), in TX... was the Bush dynasty alive and well then and wreaking havoc? Seems unlikely, huh? I have no doubt odd weather patterns are part and parcel of planetary activity, and have been timelessly.

well, i have to say that i do NOT believe in coincidences, nothing happens as mere coincidence. its like the concept of Random, which i do not believe exists either. things happen for a reason, or else we wouldn't be here right now, intelligent lifeforms (supposedly) contemplating such things.

I do think its a bit "coincidental" (hehe) that 4 hurricanes also struck Texas, but yes i understand it was long before Baby Bush was "alive" - but you cannot rule out the idea that perhaps plans were brewing and other similar events (linked to the infamous bush lineage) may have been taking place during that hurricane swoop on texas.

I would be brave enough to say that these strange weather patterns can obviously equate to something happening in our solar system /planetary scale.

"...i was taken by the hand, from the ocean to the sand..."
nitin sawhney - 'eastern eyes'

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Oye zonabi!  Your taking me to the mat today Brother/Man! Snicker! Snort! big_smile

Dictionary defs:

random--lacking of definite plan, purpose, or pattern.

coincidence--the occurance of events that happens at the same time by accident but seem to have some connection.

Who knows, maybe the four hurricanes are nothing more than coincidence, the unluck of the draw compliments of mother natures cycling.

Mother nature's CYCLING would be the coincidental "connection"... co-incidences, i.e. Texas 1886, Florida 2004. How far back would one need to go to find a quantity of hurricanes hitting one geographical area again the same way? One hunderd years? One hundred and fifty years? Pure speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit to find this is cyclicle.

So pleasant it is for me to have you call me "my friend" z <winkle~twinkle>.

I'm going to pull this thread back to it's original posting in a few hours, there are some notes in Edwards' article I'd like to comment on about the electromagnetic field and mental and mood changes, but I gotta take a break. I've been in front of my 'puter most of the day and my eyes are getting way whacked. Pizza for dinner tonight! big_smile

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14 (edited by Auendove 2004-09-29 18:21:19)

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Edwards' article is about Charley, but I'm commenting about some of his particular words in reference to the time, three weeks, in-between Frances and Jeanne, the two storms that tromped through my particular area.

In speaking with everyone I can who survived the direct path of Hurricane Charley, I have begun to see a definite pattern in their stories. At first, it appeared that this was the effect of rapid barometric pressure changes that accompany powerful hurricanes

I'm fairly well comfortable in excepting that the headaches I wrote of earlier in this thread the day after Jeanne passed through were the product of the extreme barometric pressures produced by the weather system. Easy enough. I slept more than usual during both of these storms, but I was either relaxed and having fun, or bored.

But people were not just describing the pressure they felt in their ears or the other physical signs of rapid pressure changes.

Actually my right ear, the ear I hear ringing in as well as the low thrumming noise I've written of before, still feels swollen inside, is weepy, and very mildly uncomfortable. The whole time between Frances and Jeanne this ear has constantly given me the same type of mild grief, except for a few moments when it was really bad.

Rather, they were describing extreme mental and mood changes they could not control.
 
About an hour before the center of Hurricane Charley passed over, survivors have described how they became very tired, depressed, and lethargic. While an approaching hurricane would depress just about anyone anticipating its arrival, the depression every survivor has described was not the anxiety depression such anticipation would typically invoke. This was an overall mental and physical depression that even affected them with general body aches and a widespread feeling of non-wellbeing. Almost all said it was as if they were drugged with a pain killer, but without the "goofy side effects. They could do the things they needed to do, such as get mattresses into their bathrooms to huddle under, but their thinking seemed "surreal.

Well, I never felt the emotional depression nor the surrealness mentioned, but I didn't have a cat. 3 or 4 hurricane bearing down on me in a matter of hours or less either. Not to mention I'm a trooper. Oddly, the two hurricanes that gave me pause for concern were Charley and Ivan, and they never really affected the Tampa Bay area. Ivan had me looking at my belongings wondering what was most important to me, this was the only time I thought leaving the state permanently was an excellent idea. I felt ambivalence about both Frances and Jeanne where my personal safety were issue (my mate, Monster-kitty, and I had a blast during Frances, the Iggy's weren't amused). In fact my intuition told me with Ivan "bug out if it becomes necessary, but leaving the state permantly is unnecessary, and maybe won't be in your best interest". I momentarily wondered about the sanity of my intuitive voice at the time (a rarity), but all the same trusted it.

For the sake of objectivity, there was one thing during this three week time between Frances and Jeanne I encountered that could have sent me into an emotional tailspin, but this personal upset would've happened regardless of scalar electromagnetism or any other influence. Ironically, given what I'm next going to write, the depth of what I was faced with normally would've emotionally knocked me out for days, maybe even a few weeks, and I believe it would have if it weren't for the fact that I was so damn numb during this three week period (and this incident happened last week on the 15th/16th, well after the numbness began).

Edward notes that people were feeling like they had been drugged with a pain killer without the goofy side effects, and this adds up to being numb without having the fun, and this is exactly where I was at.  These days my life revolves around having as much fun and embracing as much joy as I can (although I do so without chemicals, I'm naturally goofy), I simply know nothing else that allows me to embrace these times the way I'm able to as does my sense of humor.

There were two incidences during this three weeks that I have NEVER felt before. One is the numbness I've already mentioned. I literally felt like a shell of a person. This was so disturbing for me I cannot even tell how much so. I'm a hotbed of emotions normally (no doubt some here have noticed this), the bane, as well and more so joy, of my being a quadruple Scorpio with a Pisces Moon smile. I wish I could express in words how odd and unsettling this was for me, to be without emotion. I didn't even want to talk to my friends, I had to push/force myself to converse with loved ones. I made very few posts on NR at this time also. I had nothing within myself to respond to anything. GACK!!! One of my favorite questions came to and comes to mind now--How does this happen? I'm a trained counselor and healer, I know depression just by its smell alone. I wasn't depressed, but I sure as heck felt empty. I kept trying to ask myself, day after day, why I was feeling this way all the while knowing I was not experiencing depression. What explanation could there possibly be for this? Hmmm, scalar electromagnetism? Given I've noted the absolute absurdity of myself feeling this way I can find no other explanation save for some sort of manipulation.

The next incidence is so bothersome I still don't know what to think about it, but again there could be no other explanation aside of manipulation. I've only told one other person about this until now, it wigged me so. Early last week I laid down to go to sleep and my right ear started with the thrumming, and then moved into my whole head, and then moved into EVERYTHING. It's like all that there was was this overwhelming noise. As dramatic as this may sound it is not without provocation--I thought I was a goner, I wanted to scream out "What the <bleep> is happening to me!", but I couldn't. I wanted to get up and get my mate to help me, but I couldn't. I couldn't move. It was like being in a horrific scene in the scariest movie. This was one of the most singularly helpless moments of my adult life. And then I woke up the next morning. What happened? Even more to the point, why did this happen?

I don't know what was going on with me during those three weeks, but I couldn't have been any less of myself. How does this kwap happen? I'm basically a healthy person when I'm not being <bleeped> with, even given I eat and drink whatever the heck I want to.

So, if I question what's going on with the hurricanes and manipulation it is for good reason. If I entertain Edwards' and others' unlikely notions it's for good reason. To hell with politics folks, this has been personal.

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
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Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance.
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If you spin around on your chair really fast, things around here will make a lot more sense.

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Wow, this thread has taken off!  smile   Glad to see it was "resurrected."   Thanks for experiences and input, Auendove.   I hadn't stopped by here to read this thread until right now, so I was suprised to see all the new posts.   Good stuff, too. 

Here are some random 2 cents on my part, based on everybody's comments thus far:

-  I too don't feel that the 4 hurricanes had anything to do with "punishment" for the Bush's, I sincerely don't.   I do believe like Auendove said that it could just be cyclical.  The fact that 4 hurricanes hit Texas in the 1880's - long before "Planet X", "Global Warming", "The Shift", "Earth Changes", "aliens", etc. etc. etc. says to me that it's probably just weather / climate......

- ....But I do seriously wonder and am leaning towards the idea of manipulation of these hurricanes.   It seems VERY likely that the path of these hurricanes may have been influenced by Man.    So while the number of hurricanes forming this season may very well be natural or cyclical, maybe where they wound up making landfall however, is not.   So that I'm definitely open to.    Many people are looking towards superstitious reasons ("God did it as punishment!") when in fact, it could just be political conspiracy theory.   Someone wants Florida to be in a state of economical disaster.  Now why would that be?   Who would benefit?    We have to look at all factors:   We're months away from a Presidential election;   The Governor of Florida is a Bush;  I don't....just an idea.....

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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