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Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:

The Dead Series.

First I must congradulate you on the most interesting thread in quite some time. The number of views is aerm, impressive to say the least.

kid mongo wrote:

Infinite vastness, peace,  silence.

Count me in.

Capitan wrote:

There does not seem to be the level of depth of character from some of the channeled beings from the dimensions that I would expect, however it is very interesting to watch this ladies character change quite considerably with each different entity that she is acting as a portal for.

Quite right though I would agree I detected a level of character change with the different entities as well.

Capitan wrote:

There really seems to be no way to verify the reality of her functionality as a portal, other then there does seem to be something extraordinary going on here.

Agreed, though after my one night bout of video watching I must say that I stand with the portal camp (if there be one) meaning the portal would indeed be channeling some entities from the astral or otherwise beyond, that is not to say, though, that these entities couldn't have their own adjenda or that they would even necessarily be the beings they claim themselves to be. Now I know that sounds pretty silly. If these entites were indeed some astral entities or otherwise from the dimensions but were not who they presented themselves as, then who else would they be? Astral imposters? Anu?

kid mongo wrote:

Updated today 08/21/07:
Edgar Cayce. Leona Helmsley, Hurricane Dean, and Mother Nature and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

At this point, this list of crossed-over entities starts to run into a realm of less believability. Are we to believe the portal has virtually unlimited connections in the astral to this extent? How does she do it? And do every one of them actually have information that we need to know? Maybe they do! Maybe she can find them by requesting their essence. Maybe they find her because it's their best opportunity to communicate directly with humanity. Maybe after they've all crossed over and experienced the common realization told by many of the entities concerning the mind-systems and levels of control over humanity, they have an obligation to inform us of these things. Maybe they're our only chance.

kid mongo wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpIM3nBR2ZA History of Mankind 49 -- Exposing Indigo Children

Now. Much of the channelings contain information which is exactly contradicting their pre-existing new agey explanations. This one exposes the indigo and crystal children as members of Kryon's race who were perpetuators of the mind-conciousness system of control over humanity.

"Every time they become reactive or emotional, they send magnetic sound-frequency impulses through the subconcious mind into all of and as humanity."

That is a hefty claim! I am barely even ready for concepts like this.

kid mongo wrote:

All he is presenting is the following: the mind consciousness system, composed of thoughts, feelings and emotions, is not who you really are. If you can't play with that idea, then you won't understand why Jack comes over and fucks up your palace.

It dosen't matter because not only is it not your palace, it's not actually real.

PhiConcept wrote:

It is an obvious pre-organized material filming and in many of the videos she gets stuck on issues which she forgets and has to glimpse over to the side to find facts on particular people that she 'supposedly' is channeling or acting as a poral for.

People do that when they talk. It dosen't mean they are reading off of a card. LOL. What are they supposed to do, just stare directly into the camera for minutes on end? That would be creppy. Nobody does that when they talk to someone.

PhiConcept wrote:

She is quite the actress but nothing more than that.

PhiConcept wrote:

everyone who has had a chance to glimpse over a few of the videos presented by 'Destini' can clearly see that she is a young kid with nothing to do in her life but to amuse herself in YouTube fame.

montalk wrote:

it's an easy act to do.

I honestly do not believe a person sits down and records over 400 videos of fake channeling sessions because they think it will aquire them YouTube fame, whatever that is. If they are fake then it is more likely a pointed and elaborate disinformaion campaign not a young aspiring actor.

z3n3rg wrote:

"11. Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away."

Picture this. If these levels did constitute separations which were supposedly deleted or combined then maybe, just maybe, our only possible move would be to not only ascend this material world but indeed to return to Source where we ourselves would manifest as Totality in Essence of Creation.

z3n3rg wrote:

If we are to believe that there will be some sort of shift to the next level and the same entities that enslaved us here wish to do the same there, then we can postulate that they would try to get us to believe there is no level beyond the one above (the one they occupy).

But what we've already heard from countless new agey sources is that the ascention moves completely through the 4th and into the 5th. What is our goal? The 5th or Source?

kid mongo wrote:

If you can point to something that has been passed down reflecting this idea, that the mind, with the feelings, thoughts and emotions were inserted into us to control us, I'd like to see it.

And you're presenting this as evidence that it were true? Hmm. Okay . . .

Actually I have heard of emotions being referred to as programmed control mechanisms. Which is easier, to control your emotions or let them run rampant? If it is the 'You' doing control over the emotions then that might indicate the emotions themselves to be something separate from you.

kid mongo wrote:

all dimensional beings now exist within human bodies.

Why? I mean its because higher realms were removed but still, did that necessitate them coming here? And isn't what they mean that the separating realms were removed which existed between here and Source? Or what?

kid mongo wrote:

The secret of reality is Earth.

Again, why?

kid mongo wrote:

the White Light (a preprogrammed system which was the manifestation of Anu) had controlled the dimensions and its "Ascended Masters".

As parallels the story of Lucifer who was told to mascarade as a True Light?

kid mongo wrote:

There is good news, however. According to the portal, the dimensions have removed the White Light system and the Soul construct. When the systems on Earth are removed as well, we'll be in for a very bumpy ride. Fasten your seatbelts.

Would this happen to be because there are no longer any other dividing levels of dimensions between us and Source? What am I really defining here? Source or ourselves or both?

kid mongo wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpvYCs0rgFg AA 1 -- Many lives I had

The message from this entity frighteningly parallels many claims about reincarnation deception and the Earth as a prison including this quote from Revelations of the Insider Revisited thread here at NR.

z3n3rg wrote:

Just watched "History of Man 91 - 2012 Exposed".  The jist is no 4d, no god, no prophecy, nothing going to happen in 2012.  Specifically mentioned was "4th density".  Nothing "higher" than where these dimensionals are, etc.  Then they confuse the point by saying that humans have to take responsibility for self and stand up and that nothing is coming to "save" them.  Which is true but is mutally exclusive of there being higher levels of existence.  Specifically, the idea of a 4th density is being cojoined with the idea that there is still seeking for a savior.

Ok just wanted to comment that some of the different entities would seem to contradict each other.

Nonetheless there is an undeniable theme of "We're changing the world" found in the interviews! This theme accurately matches many others postulated before!

It parallels the story of the deconstruction of 'darkness universe' as told by A. Stanford at the www.xeeatwelve.com website.

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Re: The Dead Series.

z3n3rg wrote:

"11. Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away."

Xenopope wrote:

Picture this. If these levels did constitute separations which were supposedly deleted or combined then maybe, just maybe, our only possible move would be to not only ascend this material world but indeed to return to Source where we ourselves would manifest as Totality in Essence of Creation.

According to the "dimensionals" the only thing that has been removed or combined is the astral levels; the fake heavens.  I neither believe or disbelive this because I'll see for myself when I get there.  But, that's beside the point.

I prefer the cosmology of density levels as realms and dimensions as parallel realities within a realm.  It may or may not be correct.  That I don't trully know.  However, at the moment it makes the most sense.

Given the idea of densities, the logical step would be to consider the astral planes and all the false heavens as something like 3.5 to 3.9 density.  A holdover area to trap humans.  It may indeed be so that these false heavens have been removed.  However, the desteni material does not see a 5th density.  It does not see a spiritual that is beyond the physical/energy planes.  4th density doesn't even add into their cosmology.  It's only the astral.  Concerning that quote I gave I consider it to mean all the physical, 1st through 4th density.  Specifically referring to this heaven (3rd) and the one above (4th).

If you go by what the Cs say, none will fully return to source untill ALL are ready for that return.  I know many don't like the Cs.  So I'll go ahead and examine the idea of "Return to Source" exclusive of what they say.

It doesn't appear that the desteni material is about a "Return to Source" even with all the talk of oneness and equality.  The reason I say this is because they are still separate from the fabric of the realm they occupy.  A "Return to Source" for me would be omnipresence.  A true reintegration with All that Is.  Not just an integration of dimensionals and humans.  Not to mention that Anu will not be on board with the idea to begin with.  As long as one chooses the path to seek enslavement of others their idea of oneness and equality won't manifest.  There will still be polarity.




z3n3rg wrote:

If we are to believe that there will be some sort of shift to the next level and the same entities that enslaved us here wish to do the same there, then we can postulate that they would try to get us to believe there is no level beyond the one above (the one they occupy).

Xenopope wrote:

But what we've already heard from countless new agey sources is that the ascention moves completely through the 4th and into the 5th. What is our goal? The 5th or Source?

That's where I've seen a lot of confusion.  The mixing of the concepts of dimensions and densities.  I personally consider it an active manipulation in the same vein as saying the soul is a construct of Anu and company to enslave humans.  But again, beside the point.

The new agey sources say we are moving completely through the 4th dimension and into the 5th dimension.  I've read a few of these and their descriptions seem to imply a movement through the astral on into the 4th density.  Their descriptions of the 5th dimension match the other sources' description of the 4th density.

Beyond that, what is our goal?  I would say that depends on the individual.  We know by observation that the majority of humans aren't down with oneness and equality no matter what dimension or density they are in.  Unless they are forced against their assumed free-will to join in oneness with everyone then there will still exist polarity even after whatever may or may not happen in the next few years.

That's why it seems to me that the goals are individual.  I'm sure some don't want to stop experiencing the physical just yet.  Others may be ready for realms with less operating rules.  Any other way of answering the question of "5th or Source" wouldn't necessarily work since our ideas on those concepts are most likely different.  I think 5th density is the realm of individualized spirituality.  6th density, the realm of group spirituality.  And the "Source" is omnipresence.  I see '3rd density' as individualized physicality.  '4th density' as group physicality utilizing vessels of a higher frequency.  'Astral planes' as a frequency between 3rd and 4th that was implemented around the earth by our collective captors to keep humans stuck on the hamster wheel churning out the loosh.

But again, just my understanding.  It works and makes sense to me.  Whether or not the concepts hold when faced with the reality of life without a human body, remains to be seen.

468 Reply by Xenopope (edited by Xenopope 2007-12-23 01:31:26)

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Re: The Dead Series.

Kurt Cobain going berzerk about humanity being zombies and vampires

They really should charge money.

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Re: The Dead Series.

I wonder why they don't allow comments.  I would think, given the material, that the comments would be just as entertaining.  It's too bad that avenue of self expression is cut off.

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Re: The Dead Series.

z3n3rg wrote:

I wonder why they don't allow comments.  I would think, given the material, that the comments would be just as entertaining.  It's too bad that avenue of self expression is cut off.

Information control is one of the key components of acquiring a cult following. If you censor the information as much as you can, only allowing the message of what you want ingested, then it helps would-be members to remain focused and not ask any critical questions. Most major texts on mind control and manipulation include this key component.

I have watched a few videos and looked at their website. They include quite a few textbook components of control and manipulation. I wouldn't be surprised if they already studied up on it. If you study cult leaders in history you will find many of them had access to or studied material on persuasion, manipulation, and mind control techniques. The majority are happy to be told what to do just as long as they are never told directly that is what is happening. Everything must be indirect and they must believe it is them that is making the choices.

To consciously employ such techniques on groups of people...I am consistently astounded by people's ethics these days.

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covertmetaphor wrote:

I have watched a few videos and looked at their website. They include quite a few textbook components of control and manipulation.

Ha ha. Really. Like what, if you don't mind sharing?

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kid mongo wrote:
covertmetaphor wrote:

I have watched a few videos and looked at their website. They include quite a few textbook components of control and manipulation.

Ha ha. Really. Like what, if you don't mind sharing?

I'd be happy to do a write up on it including examples. I enjoy that sort of thing. Give me a day or two.

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Re: The Dead Series.

covertmetaphor wrote:
kid mongo wrote:
covertmetaphor wrote:

I have watched a few videos and looked at their website. They include quite a few textbook components of control and manipulation.

Ha ha. Really. Like what, if you don't mind sharing?

I'd be happy to do a write up on it including examples. I enjoy that sort of thing. Give me a day or two.

I think I'm starting to like this.

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covertmetaphor wrote:
z3n3rg wrote:

I wonder why they don't allow comments.  I would think, given the material, that the comments would be just as entertaining.  It's too bad that avenue of self expression is cut off.

Information control is one of the key components of acquiring a cult following. If you censor the information as much as you can, only allowing the message of what you want ingested, then it helps would-be members to remain focused and not ask any critical questions. Most major texts on mind control and manipulation include this key component. (............)

Hehe, yea.  I was being a bit indirect in that comment.  But it's good for the thread that you wrote it out anyway.

I find it humorously ironic that they speak of self expression and then cut off an avenue for it.

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"Silence is the music of Fascism and the anthem of tyranny"
~~carefulcarpenter

Fun fact: Great Tits are common in Europe

To know love is to know trust; to know oneself is to know truth
~~carefulcarpenter

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476 Reply by covertmetaphor (edited by covertmetaphor 2007-12-23 11:49:18)

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z3n3rg wrote:
covertmetaphor wrote:
z3n3rg wrote:

I wonder why they don't allow comments.  I would think, given the material, that the comments would be just as entertaining.  It's too bad that avenue of self expression is cut off.

Information control is one of the key components of acquiring a cult following. If you censor the information as much as you can, only allowing the message of what you want ingested, then it helps would-be members to remain focused and not ask any critical questions. Most major texts on mind control and manipulation include this key component. (............)

Hehe, yea.  I was being a bit indirect in that comment.  But it's good for the thread that you wrote it out anyway.

I find it humorously ironic that they speak of self expression and then cut off an avenue for it.

I was fairly positive you were already aware of this, especially after reading many of your comments. You seem to have a very good grasp on common fallacies in argument and other techniques of manipulation. I just wanted to write it out like you said. smile

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According to Jack, this is way all dimensional beings have been moved within humans beings:
"The dimensions in it’s entirety no longer exists – all of the dimensions are within and as human beings here on earth as we stand and are the sound harmonic expression of life within and as oneness and equality – assisting and supporting each human being on earth to stop the mind of thoughts, feelings and emotions so you may realise who you are – you are not the mind – you are life of oneness and equality as all as one as equal."

Apparently this was done to ensure there were no more "levels" of separation to "ascend" to as the "spirit world" was also a mind-conscious system that enslaved dimensional beings. The teaching that "matter must be ascended" was and is false, as there is only stability in the manifested 3D world.

Would this happen to be because there are no longer any other dividing levels of dimensions between us and Source? What am I really defining here? Source or ourselves or both?

Yes, to the first question. I suppose the first molecule that decided to duplicate itself could be considered "source," though as "source" is normally depicted in New Age perspectives, there isn't some profound, sizeless blob of Origin floating out there that we must return to. In a way, we are our own "source" as we exist infinitely.

The message from this entity frighteningly parallels many claims about reincarnation deception and the Earth as a prison including this quote from Revelations of the Insider Revisited thread here at NR.

This "Insider" has been discussed on the Desteni FAQ page: http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum … php?t=2216

Ok just wanted to comment that some of the different entities would seem to contradict each other.

Nonetheless there is an undeniable theme of "We're changing the world" found in the interviews! This theme accurately matches many others postulated before!

It parallels the story of the deconstruction of 'darkness universe' as told by A. Stanford at the www.xeeatwelve.com website.

There are parallels, but some wildly divergent points. I was sent some of the Sanford material and will comment on it soon.

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z3n3rg wrote:

I wonder why they don't allow comments.  I would think, given the material, that the comments would be just as entertaining.  It's too bad that avenue of self expression is cut off.

Most of the comments were idiotic. Detracts from the messages. Let me tell you, they were much worse than some of ones made here. And that's saying something.

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covertmetaphor wrote:
kid mongo wrote:
covertmetaphor wrote:

I have watched a few videos and looked at their website. They include quite a few textbook components of control and manipulation.

Ha ha. Really. Like what, if you don't mind sharing?

I'd be happy to do a write up on it including examples. I enjoy that sort of thing. Give me a day or two.

Well, I guess we have nothing to worry about! cool

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I have been directed in an email to the writings of Amitakh Sanford. Very interesting stuff, indeed. Especially his article, "Are Humans Merely Sophisticated Programmed Robots?"
http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/robots.html

This article is fascinating because the points of agreements with the "Destenian" perspective is remarkable. However, the points of divergence are just as remarkable and important to note, which I believe places the Destenian perspective in a class of its own.

Stanford is on solid ground when we read: "Often people accept things happening around them as being "the way things are". Few suspect that they are programmed to accept "the way things are". Fewer still comprehend that "the way things are" is because they have been programmed to be that way." Of course, this is the standard line of Desteni, and reveals remarkable insight from Sandford.

However, the very next paragraph begins with a combination of Vedic science and Neo-Manichaean speculation:

"The dimension that we now live in is of the False-Light Creation (Virtual Reality). In the True-Light Creation, energy (prana) is the main activating force for the whole of Creation. True prana is pure. The prana that we use in this dimension is not the pure prana of the True Divine Creation. As I mentioned in Vertical Time Backfires on Darkness, once the "siphon tube" was severed, Darkness lost Its source of true prana and was forced to come up with an alternative form of energy; It manufactured Its own local prana from energy stolen through endless traps/prisons laid for True-Light beings within this sector. This "localized" prana is tainted with evil intent."

This is an amazing formulation. Yet, it's complexity is it's own undoing. "Prana" as the invisible "life-force, "spirit-energy," or even referred as spirit or soul, is given by Sanford a diobolical intelligence; one that manufactures it's own prana (?) by the setting of traps and theft. The Destenian perspective is much simpler, as Veno indicates:

"Stop for a moment in your existence and focus on breathing – where is your breath coming from – the trees, the grass – what would happen if they cease to exist – would you be able to live? So who is actually your God? Nature is it not? Therefore – be grateful for the very essence that is you as life as the trees and the grass as Nature that give you the gift of life as the breath you take – as you inhale – have each moment you inhale and exhale be the breath of gratefulness to the very essence of life as Nature for ‘giving’ you unconditionally the opportunity to live."

As Veno suggests, the breath "prana" is dependant on Nature. Not upon some byzantine complex of "False-Light" and "True-Light," nor is it "the main activating force for the whole of Creation." The former can be proven while Sandford's wild speculation is just conjecture, no matter how impressive as it may be.

Returning to Stanford's text, we find more astonishing similarities with Desteni, namely that the "Darkness" has trapped itself into the same illusion as the world, even as the litter of dualism is strewn everywhere:

"Although Darkness has unwittingly imprisoned Itself, It is so deluded now that It has forgotten It is in the very prison It created for others. But even though the sector containing Darkness is sealed, inside of it are many High beings of the True-Light Creation who were trapped in the Evil sector when it was sealed off by Darkness. These High beings have connections to the Pure Realm, which could become stained by Evil via contamination from the trapped parts and projections of the High beings. Therefore, Evil must be stopped.

Since the Usurper is trapped in Its own delusions and illusions, It has begun to think that It is the real creator. In Its crazed delusion It demands to be worshipped and feared. The True Creator does NOT operate on fear or punishment and does NOT demand to be worshipped or glorified. The True Creator is all Unconditional Love, Purity, Light, Beauty, Bliss and Goodness."

There is no "Darkness" as a living entity, other than that of the mind, and that disappears when the body dies. The mind consciousness system creates polarity and programs humans through feelings, emotions, memories, words and even numbers. (Such as 11:11, 2012, 12:12 and other special numbers) The mind system created the "idea" of "Darkness" and "Light," with the "Darkness" something to be feared, while the "Light" to be ascended to. Another divergence: creation is not "light," but really "sound." Sound harmonic vibration. There's no dualistic nature in sound.

Then, just when I think Stanford has lost me for good, he comes up with a beauty:

"The food chain in this False Creation is an example of endless programming. All beings must consume something to exist here - they prey upon one another. Humans arrogantly believe that they are at the "top" of the food chain. In fact, they are mere puppets of the food chain. Programming makes humans function like sophisticated robots doing the bidding of the Usurper. In this sense, humans are somewhat like computers, and the programming of humans is like computer software. In other words, humans do what they are programmed to do. Just imagine what will happen when programming stops in this dimension! It will be total chaos - total madness!"

Stanford again shows amazing insight in the programmed nature of humans. But where does he see the starting point of this crypto-programming in humans?

"The amount of life force assigned to each being at "birth" is determined by genetic programming. Anunnaki aliens have surreptitiously done a lot of genetic programming throughout the ages by manipulating DNA."

In the video clip "Hisory of Man 41," Jack also ssys the programming the human at the DNA level was done by the Annunaki, but goes a step further. Jack says, "...the unified consciousness field is the actual holographic projection that has been inprinted and programmed within the DNA of all Humanity within the physical body." The unified consciousness fieeld projects a 3D image that isn'treally there; it only exists thru the mind systems. Welcome to the Matrix!

Stanford says that the "sophisticated robots" were denied "souls" and therefore possed no "free will." He also says: "Strictly speaking, the only freewill choice anyone can truly make here is whether to remain in the True Light or to reject the True Light. This is a spiritual choice, not a physical one."

"In this world there are no real free choices. Almost everything is done by programming. Even the so-called choices are programmed choices."

Deseni: There is no free will when all is programmed. The choices we believe we possess is only in a narrow, limited range that socialization ensures that most of us will not color outside the lines. Without the mind consciousness system, Life would simply Be; In oneness and equality, contrary to what Stanford believes. Hell, there's total chaos and madness right now!

"People are programmed to choose certain foods, schools, friends, intimate relationships etc. KARMA IS A FORM OF SEVERE PROGRAMMING. When a person wakes up to the possibility of programming, he or she has a much better chance of overcoming the programming by consciously willing his or her self to resist the programming."

And Karma and the cycles of reincarnation were created to keep humans "on the paths to enslavement," as Jack puts it. A person only has a chance to resist the programming by stopping the mind of thoughts, feelings and emotions.

"Because of evil programming, many cannot accept that there are two creations that are vastly different. One creation is of Truth, Love, Light, Beauty and Purity. The other is of Untruth, Error, Darkness, Ugliness and Death. Both creations use vastly different spiritual knowledge."

Come now. Isn't it time to move beyond the old, tired dualism and polarities? Still, it's remarkable that Stanford came this close in unlocking the puzzle. I wonder if he was fed disinfo by the Anu.

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