The Dead Series. (Page 30 of 40)

You've proved to yourself that there's "Divine Will?"

Is a dimensional body the same as a physical body?

Is the dimensional reality the same as the physical reality?

These are two distinct levels.

When the physical body dies you go to the dimensions where the rules of that realm aren't as strict.

That is ascending.  Going up a level.  Occupying a space with less "rules".  Whatever you wish to call it.

Yes, the levels and ascending are illusionary at thier core.

It's like creating a video game and then becoming a character in the game.

The game is illusionary but as a character you experience it as reality.

There's no requirement to play the game.  It's a matter of choice.

But once you decide to play you have chosen to go through the illusionary levels and ascensions.

It could very well be that there was/is an astral prison set up with false heavens and such.

The idea has been explored prior to desteni so it's nothing new.

But that does not exclude a true spiritual factor.  A factor that there is true life beyond the physical and dimensional realms.

The fear seems to be coming from the dimensionals, or whoever is creating all this material.

A fear of losing their character in the game.  A fear of our true essense that exists outside the dimensional realms.

Beyond space, time, and sound.  Beyond dimensions.  Beyond energy.  Beyond them, as they know themselves now.

I don't know.  Maybe they got comfortable in their position of being able to mess with physical entities.

Maybe they enjoy it too much.  Maybe they don't want to evolve anymore.

Maybe they prefer to stagnate in their sandbox.

Maybe they fear being true creators of reality.

Maybe they fear that we will realize they are lying.

I suppose you could see it that way. The resonance that is our structure always exist. The flesh is still a holographic structure of sound. Just because the body returns to the earth doesn't mean that we're two distinct entities.

Not true. The dimensions exist inside each human being. Read the Structural Resonance articles by Veno for more insight.

Agree.

Now, how do you know that for sure? Do you remember how you chose this lifetime before you can down?

Not fear. Shame, maybe. Shame and anger that we've allowed such enslavement.

I don't see that. I see people here afraid of losing their identity, though...

Maybe you fear that they might be right.

I am not paranoid or watching Desteni's move 24/7. But I'm pretty sure Desteni is up to something with the people who are taking their information.
I have been seeing some that can be considered as manipulating tactics going on with Desteni forums and videos. Possibly to keep the forum members dumb and unaware of people who tried resisting the information.

Such as topic pruning (Along with the people who were skeptical about Desteni information), Destenian puppet accounts (Rating 5 in their YouTube videos), using key words in their videos like 'Reptilian' or 'Truth' or anything that will attract the informed crowd to gain honors and popularity and they canceled the self-interview requesting (Such as, before they did this, I requested Sterlob to be interviewed). Now that is only for their private members.

Kid mongo, do you even have access to this private board?

The videos, they have videos as their tool to change the member's perceptions into giving in their information.

"Oh look how destructive humans are! (Insert 'Earthlings' video)"

Also, the member bannings. What annoys me about Desteni is that they shut off the people who speak their words. If they become too much strain to Desteni, they would delete the account without warning to prevent the person from going any farther. I don't like community boards like that, in fact, that's not a community board, it's a preaching board.

It's like their STS. They're being clever! I know, back then, whenever I wanted to manipulate someone in this battle simulator game, you have to fool the person by keeping the actions quiet and sneaky.

It's like they are Reptilians inside those human bodies. It's like...

Oh yeah, I don't like how the Destenians give the members the information. They are blunt, yeah, but the information doesn't seem right. It's like when you look at it and what do they expect from their members?

"Oh, okay! Thanks! "

Oooh, that's annoying! It's like they treat their members as trash cans, throw the garbage in and the mouth of the trash can always opens! What doesn't fit in the trash can is happily dumped out for more space.

No, I'm saying is that they use their Hitler videos, powerful videos so they can use it to blame it on other members.

man--- has f*cked up ---blah blah why do Ityped like this

see earthlings

Plus all the hitler videos
yeah --you didnt expect hitler to be more better than you huh HUH?????? IF HE CAN BECOME INNOCENT WHY CAN'T YOU? LOL HISSSSSSSS...

Why were you banned?

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He might be referring to Aleister Crowley who has articles on the Three Schools of Magic.  Also, when mentioning the Indian branch of the Black Brotherhood, I could be wrong.  Nexus could be coming from somewhere else.  Crowley referred to Buddhist's and when using the term 'black magic' he was not meaning sorcery type of black magic which has its beginnings from Christianity as being antithesis to it.  He was simply complaining about Buddhistic nihilism or striving for obliviation as the goal, through acknowledging desire as the source of all suffering.  I personally think that it is about something else.  Crowley believed Tantric rituals should involve sexual intercourse and the climax being offered to "Inanna"?  Probably not Inanna though.  Although I'm thinking she would be an appropriate direction.  I probably should have done some re-reading before submitting this.

Why I say Crowley had a problem with Buddhism, and that I don't believe at all, it is being through his statements that they promote a goal of simply striving for obliviation, or absolute non-existence, is because I know Aleister Crowley was not that stupid.  Buddhist's and Theosophist's for that matter, think the act of involving sexual intercourse into the Tantric rituals only came about from a deviation from the original form.  This might be the ultimate conspiracy everyone is looking for.  Our becoming so completely patriarchal; putting the female in the subordinate role to the extent to which we have, and for so long, perhaps, in my thinking, and really I'm only positing something that has only recently occurred to me and perhaps I'm off track, still, I'm thinking major repurcussions.  I'm not only talking about women as humans, but in their lack of being honored among the deities.

Add a bit of salt for flavor when studying any extremely patriarchal religion.

I'm sorry CM that i can't give definitive references for the statement i made about the black brotherhood's activities.  I picked it up along my decades long path someplaces [including Theosophy?] and elsewhere and from one person i know [in whom i percieved the presence of the christ- light and who i trusted] so i don't know where the same information might appear on the internet.  It might somewhere.  Including the usual suspects.... the jesuits, the illuminati... etc.

Like most here, I understand a black brotherhood has operated for centuries... millenia even, as an organised force directly opposing the release of truth in every field given and inspired by the true brotherhood of spiritual Adepts.  That's where such an unholy lust for power to dominate the minds of humanity has it's motivation...  In opposition to the culture of the mother light in this world and in opposition to those who have kept the ideal alive.   Things are not great on planet earth.  But they would be a hell of a lot worse without the work of the spiritual Adepts and those they inspire.   I knew of the black brotherhood long before Icke wrote of them.  Unlike Icke, i have found a place for the true spiritual brotherhood in earth's history right up to the present.   If we like to think of ourselves as the 'good' guys then the spiritual brotherhood are the 'God' guys.... and gals.  They know who they are and they're helping us discover who we are.

At the level of duality consciousness where most of us live, any spiritual concept conveyable in words can be twisted to mean the opposite of what it really means.  Twisted into a weapon against the liberation of the soul from duality consciousness.  The representatives of the black brotherhood can often be seen, their faces shining for the right, 'guiding' us toward their version of utopia/ nirvana [no such place / 'no' such beingness] or some terrestrial or celestial version of heaven which does not represent reality. 

The work of the black brotherhood has been to consciously pervert... point / counterpoint... every truth concept released for our benefit.  Some of their members are aware of the web of deciet in which they operate and some are not.  Those who are not, yet are sponsored from the astral plane, are one in vibration and have their motivation at astral levels.  As point men they are energised for a purpose while they serve that purpose.  Birds of a feather flock together... in a false hierarchy spanning both the physical and astral planes.  Some are conscious tools, others aren't.  Like any labrinthian structure of hidden power it's public faces are many.  Some are in the traditional religious structures, east and west.  Some have made themselves comfortable in the fields of psychology and others in the arts and sciences.   

In the field of spirituality the black brotherhood often appear in the same garb as the true teacher and they often role model the external forms of the real mc'Coy.  Obviously, that's why we all need to go beyond the written word and external forms of spirituality in order to understand the often subtle difference between truth and lies delivered by smiley pastors and gurus of the old and new age.  The thing is, every truth not only has it's obvious opposing lie, but it also has it's imposter which appears virtually the same [in form]as truth.   That is, the conceptual in- form- ation appears the same but the meaning is not.  The words are almost if not exactly the same, it's forms are cultivated to appear the same and the fruit of knowlege can be forged so that the unenlightened cannot tell them apart. 

In fact, the student of a false teacher might spurn the real deal because he has usually been told [way prematurely] that he already is enlightened [by the mere concepts taught by the false teacher] and that there is no spiritual path because he is already 'there' at his destination in consciousness which is 'nowhere' at all anyway because there's nowhere to go.  [destini's concepts may be a variation on that but some of the themes appear similar to me].  The student knows that "for sure" because he has found 'nothing' behind the contents of his chaotic mind.  He is told that if he has found nothing behind the activity of human thoughts and feelings it is because there is nothing to discover.  He finds this logic appealing because naturally if he hasn't found IT then IT cannot exist.   It is that highest "truth" to which he is awakening [nothingness] and he is encouraged in the philosophy either of total self- denial or total self- indulgence as the way.   

He now feels qualified to spurn every historical effort in the field of spirituality and metaphysics because in his current state of consciousness he cannot see the fruit of that effort anywhere [nothing is worth his investigation anymore except those who tell him that nothing is worth investigating] nor has he a hint of the fiery reality of the presence of the Adepts.  They cannot really exist so they cannot be discovered.  They are as 'dead' to him as any notion of a creative, engaged higher- self and he himself soon will be dead too... so off with their heads also.  They're long gone.  Now impotent in the world of form as he also is trying his hardest to be.   

Under the influence of the false teacher [nihilist or hedonist] he will either withdraw into nihilism [not quietly though ] or he will eat, drink and be merry for tommorow he will die.  Then he will be rewarded with the 'divine illumination' of self- annihilation for his obedient indulgence in the base passions of "sex, drugs and rock n roll" [generic phrase] just like his guru promised.  But not yet.  The hedonist must yet discover the extremes of hedony in practise as must the self- denier the extremes of denial.  At least he thinks so.  While he was young, Guatama thought so too.  But what did he know.  A dead guru is a dead guru is he not? 

There's a good page which i will find tomorrow and link here titled "Pseudo Advaita and Real Advaita".[non- duality].  It's a long page but worth reading.  It deconstructs nihilism really well from the point of view of quite a few disciples of 'gurus' who came to the west teaching psuedo- advaita.  It also makes the point as i should have that some of these 'teachers' are not wilfully astray but have simply been influenced by other 'gurus' and believe themselves awakened.  There were times since the sixtees when all a guy had to do was turn up to the west in a turban to be accepted as an awakened teacher.  Obviously we know by now that a person can be ignorant or awakened in a turban or a Giorgio Armani suit.  Likewise if he turns up speaking of Advaita we know the forms and the words must be seen through to understand the essence of a teaching.  Often seekers simply have not come across someone expounding the truth regarding an age old concept of truth.
Anyway... tomorow.