16 Reply by Goof (edited by Goof 2007-12-04 18:28:18)

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Re: What is the point of surviving/living?

I am here, but am I here by choice?  It doesn't seem like it.  Many near-death expereincers have said they were pushed back into the world, or were subjected to thoughts to make them want to go back.  Many didn't want to come back here. 
How is that a choice in the matter?  and if we have a choice why can't we break the contract?

I am content and pretty happy.  I just don't like the system that is set up.

Based on near-death expereince reports....many people claim when they die they don't have any pain...they feel marvelous and loved...they automatically are happy...they have no cares...



dreamosis wrote:
Goof wrote:

So can someone tell me what is the point of living?  Why do we even bother?

Not to undermine the thread, but that's really something you've got to figure out for yourself.

Sure, a lot about this world sucks.  Get over it.  You're here.  If you drove cross-country to have a good time in New York and then you found out that New York mostly sucks, would you turn around and drive home?  Or would you make the best of it?

Not to get Hallmark on you, but happiness comes from within.  Do you think that if you weren't on this plane that you'd be automatically happy?  And the absence of problems isn't happiness.

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I'm right with you man.  I don't understand much of anything else anyone is saying. It all seems like a bunch of spiritual jibberish to me.  Anyway here's a toast" to the point of living, revealing itself".  I'd like to know.





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I agree with Goof. what IS the point?

As far as I can tell, we've all been thrown into the world deaf, dumb and blind to "reality". One story is as good as another because nobody can prove anything. God put us here. The reptilians put us here. We put ourselves here.

I am not motivated or encouraged by the possibility of achieving a 4D status. I have no idea what that is. I live here - in this world - in a 3 Dimensional fabric. I don't know where I came from. I don't know why I'm here. And the only clues I can get are from others in the same boat.

I search my mind and my heart daily for the lessons hidden in my experiences and every day I come away clueless...

Somebody flattens my brand new tire (for the 3rd time). What's the lesson? I don't get mail for three months and finally (duh!) figure out that someone is actually stealing it. What's the lesson? Somebody comes into my house and moves things around. What's the lesson? Somebody is tapping my phone ( I can hear them ). What's the lesson? My left ear goes deaf then I hear a long tone. Apparantly this is a symptom of mind control, or abduction. What's the lesson? My computer crashes, disks are stolen. What's the lesson?

I just cannot imagine the POINT of all this. These are not abstract notions of beings in outer space, or in another dimension. These are concrete manifestations of evil that are pushing me up against a wall.

Jesus. If there's a lesson in here somewhere I will GLADLY change whatever thinking/behaviour needs changing. The love and compassion I've always had is being beaten out of me. I'm turning into a warrior. So I echo Goof's question: what is the point?

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There is no place I would rather be than right here, right now.  Because no matter where I go, where I find myself, or what situation I find myself in; I am always right here, right now.  That is the greatest gift I could ever have hoped for.  I exist!  I just can't express the enormity of the gratitude I feel for that one small fact.

I am just a temp in the world.  We all are.

The biggest disappointment you can hand to "Them" is to not let them bother you.  To Ocean, if you're phone is tapped be sure to say hello in a genuinely pleasant tone.  If your new tire gets slashed buy one of those that don't deflate for 50 miles.  If things get moved around, laugh.  I have almost constant ear ringing.  The only time they leave me alone is when I'm at my brain-dead job.  I used to at least get the ride to work and back without the ringing until I said something on this forum.  Two days later, and since, the ringing doesn't stop till I pull into whatever temp job I happen to be at.

Now imagine how cool they must think you are to be giving you all that attention.  Either that or you scare them.  Imagine that.  No really.  Think about that for a minute.  Why would these people or beings or whoever with all the power in the world mess with you?  I know if I had all the power in the world I wouldn't think twice about me.  After thinking about how important you must be for them to spend so much time messing with you, it might be a bit easier to turn the thoughts around.  Energy follows thought.  When those thoughts turn around the energy does too.  And then someone doesn't get their negative energy meal from you.  Oh, and they'll be pissed.  They'll try harder probably.  But you got the upper hand.  They need you not the other way around.  You hold the Ace.  Play your hand and take their food away.  After awhile the law of diminishing returns will kick in and they'll be forced to expend energy somewhere else.

Doesn't mean the ear ringing will stop though.  They still gotta try to figure out how to break us.  But we know they can't.  They aren't so easily convinced it seems.  Hopefully one day they'll learn.  Until then remember who came to who first.  They came to you to mess with you.  So there's your advantage.

As far as a point to surviving take your pick from the above responses, they're all good.  Or find your own.  Or simply accept your temporary status and find a way to have fun with it.  Change your perspective.  Change your daily patterns.  Do something you've never done before.  Do something that scares you.  Find a passion.  Realize that the you can't change the conspiracies or the people behind them.  And it's their cross to bear.  They aren't happy.  They live in fear everyday of losing what they have.  I have nothing and have no fear of loss.  I may be a physical slave to a monetary system but I am freer than the richest man.  I don't need a reason to live because existing is everything.  A free mind is the most powerful weapon in this realm.  Don't let them enslave it with their weak conspiracies.  Take it all as possibility and think beyond it.  Realizing the body is temporary is the secret.  Even the richest man in the world is going to die with nothing.  We come into this world with nothing and we'll leave with nothing.  But alas, if we can leave with a deeper awareness of all the many perspectives we have encountered in others.  And leave with so many possibilities of what could be.  And leave with a denser being.  A being not easily ruffled by silly games.  A being in command of self.  A being that no being can mentally or emotionally entrap.  Oh, if we can leave the world with that then we leave with more than most.

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I can't look for reason/purpose/point out there in the world. "I am" is complete and doesn't need a reason.

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z3n3rg wrote:

And then someone doesn't get their negative energy meal from you.  Oh, and they'll be pissed.  They'll try harder probably.

You are right, my friend. I do know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that my energy if food for them. Just as yours is. And everybody else here. Before I found out what was REALLY going on ( 4D stuff ) I was a predator's dream buffet. Now the game has changed and they're nearly starving, thus trying even harder.

I am grateful for the understanding I've gotten. I also, again, understand Goof's question. However, if I didn't think there was an answer, I wouldn't be here. I am not a quitter. They'll get my soul when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Your post is really quite amazing. Thank you.

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I am just a temp in the world.  We all are.

The biggest disappointment you can hand to "Them" is to not let them bother you.  To Ocean, if you're phone is tapped be sure to say hello in a genuinely pleasant tone.  If your new tire gets slashed buy one of those that don't deflate for 50 miles.  If things get moved around, laugh.  I have almost constant ear ringing.  The only time they leave me alone is when I'm at my brain-dead job.  I used to at least get the ride to work and back without the ringing until I said something on this forum.  Two days later, and since, the ringing doesn't stop till I pull into whatever temp job I happen to be at.

Now imagine how cool they must think you are to be giving you all that attention.  Either that or you scare them.  Imagine that.  No really.  Think about that for a minute.  Why would these people or beings or whoever with all the power in the world mess with you?  I know if I had all the power in the world I wouldn't think twice about me.  After thinking about how important you must be for them to spend so much time messing with you, it might be a bit easier to turn the thoughts around.  Energy follows thought.  When those thoughts turn around the energy does too.  And then someone doesn't get their negative energy meal from you.  Oh, and they'll be pissed.  They'll try harder probably.  But you got the upper hand.  They need you not the other way around.  You hold the Ace.  Play your hand and take their food away.  After awhile the law of diminishing returns will kick in and they'll be forced to expend energy somewhere else.

Doesn't mean the ear ringing will stop though.  They still gotta try to figure out how to break us.  But we know they can't.  They aren't so easily convinced it seems.  Hopefully one day they'll learn.  Until then remember who came to who first.  They came to you to mess with you.  So there's your advantage.

As far as a point to surviving take your pick from the above responses, they're all good.  Or find your own.  Or simply accept your temporary status and find a way to have fun with it.  Change your perspective.  Change your daily patterns.  Do something you've never done before.  Do something that scares you.  Find a passion.  Realize that the you can't change the conspiracies or the people behind them.  And it's their cross to bear.  They aren't happy.  They live in fear everyday of losing what they have.  I have nothing and have no fear of loss.  I may be a physical slave to a monetary system but I am freer than the richest man.  I don't need a reason to live because existing is everything.  A free mind is the most powerful weapon in this realm.  Don't let them enslave it with their weak conspiracies.  Take it all as possibility and think beyond it.  Realizing the body is temporary is the secret.  Even the richest man in the world is going to die with nothing.  We come into this world with nothing and we'll leave with nothing.  But alas, if we can leave with a deeper awareness of all the many perspectives we have encountered in others.  And leave with so many possibilities of what could be.  And leave with a denser being.  A being not easily ruffled by silly games.  A being in command of self.  A being that no being can mentally or emotionally entrap.  Oh, if we can leave the world with that then we leave with more than most.
That is a great response to Goof Z3n3rg.  Because I can relate to both Goof and Ocean.   And I'm not a young kid.  I've done my studies and I can also relate to many of the members excellent responses.  And like Goof,  I'm not really unhappy, relatively content but I hate the system too.  Sorry, I can't get over it.  And many times I also wonder, what is the point?  I'm SICK of learning lessons.  It's like, Okay I get it now.   I know how to get to them, but enough already.

Oh, and then guess what?  The universe throws me a bone.  Yay!  A little soul satisfaction.  Big whoop di doo.  Then back to the 3D prison.  I guess that sounds a little angry; well sometimes I am.  And as another member said, we are here because the Creator is experiencing all aspects of living through us, or words to that effect.  Maybe the Creator needs meds.  All of my prayers, intentions and meditations have been for naught, in the long run.  Of course I realize we create our own reality.  It's not about that.  I know what to do.

Sometimes I think life is a cosmic joke.  I personally feel that because I understand and have experienced many of the others' positive comments, such as just TO BE, or I AM; to experience the awesome beauty of nature; the beauty of love.  Sure, it's great and wonderful and fills my soul but I'm not at the point in my spiritual ascension where I can take these brief yet grounding epiphanies to get me through my mundane life.  It comes and goes but usually stays away.  Hence my personal paradox.

Cheers,

5k

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Goof, Ocean, 5k, trust me...I know exactly where you're coming from.  I've said the same thing countless times.  I know the feeling all too well.  I also understand how all the spiritual epiphanies in the world can just seem to fall short when faced with the same lame stupidity we each go through day in and day out.

I guess what really got me over the hurdle was that old saying, "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired".  I just grew weary of worrying about the things I couldn't change.  There was never really anything in this life that made me want to stick around.  I never felt any attachment to any of it.  It just all seemed rather retarded.  And after years and years and years I just grew sick of those thoughts.  They never got me anywhere and just made me feel worse.

So I was just like, screw it.  I tried that path and it's lame.  I felt the despair and it did nothing.  I thought about all the conspiracies, and all the people suffering, and all the things I had no power to change, and just couldn't keep it up because no matter how bad I felt it still didn't change.  So I decided to just take all those little epiphanies and all those philosophical and spiritual teachings and made them my own.  I figured it can't hurt at this point.  The other way certainly didn't do a thing for me or anyone else.  Maybe this way will give some reprieve.  And if I can get some reprieve then maybe I can give some of that to others.

So that's what I did.  And that's where I'm at.  If those thoughts come back I just tell them to 'shut it'.  I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt.  They didn't do a damn thing for me or anyone else.  What I got now at least seems to give me some amount of inspiration and I think I'm able to give some of that to others.  That's just going to have to be enough to get me through the retarded robot farm I live on because nothing else has really worked.

And after awhile the hurdle has been surpassed.  The weight of those positive thoughts started to outweigh the combined weight of years of negative.  And after much effort they have begun to become the default.  They have begun to become the programs that run in place of "what is the point".  It wasn't easy.  It wasn't quick.  But I can say it's worth the effort.  It's not some watershed event but it's better than what was there before.

23 Reply by Barefoot Doc (edited by Barefoot Doc 2007-12-05 04:38:55)

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Re: What is the point of surviving/living?

To question what is the point of living one must also question the point of not living
or non existence.

Its not like we are fractions of the whole but rather versions of the whole.

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hello! everyone...love to you all...

          Very good question infact its something that I have asked many times on the verge of committing suicide but then again I told myself am I really this weak that i commit suicide just because my own parents and everyone is so alienating internally that they are all more evolved and know every damn thing i do and still try to control me and make me the way they want me to be. I took that as a challenge under the love and light of the one who strengthnes me and I went on to make my own rules and imply it in my life to make a whole new me a ME that is defined by my own ideas and concepts not the outside world. I am my own GOD and define everything for myself the way I want it and everything works the way I want it. What I understand is this everything what ever comes to us is the product of our own choices and our emotions of how we act to a given situation. Therefore, our sufferings, happines and everything is in our hands. How the oracle tells NEO "you are in control of your own life REMEMBER" thats the whole point we have to become responsible and begin with little things to changing ourselves in more evolved ways that will take us to the doors steps of our past life and destiny. I can say one thing that is for sure that everything is ONE. You or anyone on this forum no matter what skin colour or anything that could define his existence in terms of concepts and ideas we are one just different versions. But then again the whole versions of this one are controlled by ONE that wants everyone of us to follow and go his way and when we try to come down from his track we are to fight him and we will not only have to face him outside of us in everyone one that we will see but inside of us that he has made his place inside of our minds and hearts with his teachings to us. I somehow see myself in this fight stuck here in this reality, oblivious of the past and bits and pieces that come to me are like making me GOD where as in GOD i believed growing up and now its like fighting with the whole world.


There are certain things that i can say why are we here...

Once Gandhi said "Be the change you wish to see in the world" thats what we are here for no matter how much we are lost but if you believe you are good to everyone and yourself and full of love just take that believe of yours and go till your last breath to show and leave an example in this world how strong you were to carry out your believes of oneness and love for all leave an effect in memories of those who watch you fight for your believes and survival.

One more thing you could do is follow the path of spirituality which will begin with learning to accept who we are and loving ourselves and others for what ever they are and trying to abstract from things that you don't need. I will write what I personally did I became a pure vegetarian, I started doing some simple yoga exercises, I started meditating and I am trying to have a life of celibacy, And lastly am trying to awaken the kundalini inside of me. It is the same force that made jesus Christ what he became and believe me when you do that then you will start noticing things and learning things that will be unbelievable no matter what you have thought about others they will change and they will try to put you off this path.

You could try to become one by not just focusing on one aspect of your reality. Which is how we are ruled by a policy of divide and rule. Which is to say that you have to respect your heart and emotions and get in touch with the love of your life the true love of your heart and your soul that is there for you. This might sound funny and I don't know how far you will have to go to break away from the believe system of what is possible and what is impossible. But the truth is we are born on this plane like how they have mentioned about zero point the heart that is the source of your inspiration and the love that sets a state of cociousnes in which we begin to look for answers but  we never pay attention to what fired the cause. And the other aspect of the reality would be your mind and your will and awarness of yourself in the present always. when you connect both the aspects of your reality and let go off  the thought about why we are here or what ever and live and learn to love you will begin to transform yourself into a new being a higher divine being of love and understanding and you will begin to see yourself in everything. And with practice and meditation you will go to the point where you will know who you are a GOD.  But be ready to face death on this path, where as for me death is nothing but a sleep but i know onething death only comes to those who are already dead like the mass of the oblivion world. For an awaken mind and a loving heart it is a choice to make and there is nothing like death and there is no death angel that can take you away from who you are. Believe me when I say it is our believe system that makes us. its a simple word but when you truely believe in something there is nothing like impossible everything is possible for you and may be we might get lucky to find out that we were living in a dream world and awaken to this dream like GODs and owners of this reality who can bend anything they want at their will and mainfest with their intent. I personally live a life never thinking about death but always waking up to find me stuck in this system and dream and trying to truely awaken myself for this dream where I can do what I want for my love not to control or harm anyone.

" Love is the understanding and unspoken bond between you and the creator "

"Loving is an art that is the state of creation"

..........Lyrically am suppose to SHINE.........
..........I am the ONE that makes you  BLIND........
..........And am that darkness that lets you SHINE.........

25 Reply by titmouse_ (edited by titmouse_ 2007-12-05 10:46:30)

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Re: What is the point of surviving/living?

Goof wrote:
titmouse_ wrote:

A Golden Tear

To feel: the greatest gift we were given; the reminder we exist as part of a divine legacy.

To feel?  How is feeling pain / seperation / sick / worn / tired / diseased  a great gift?  Seems more like a curse to me.  Why should anyone have to go through any of that?  How does it remind you that your of a divine legacy?

Thank you for proposing such questions. It has caused me to think all night whether I can answer you. I don't think I can, but we could have a conversation and you may discern something useful. The first thought that came to me was, "Suicide is painless"; but that also requires a conversation. I guess there are no easy answers or solutions to life's dilemmas. I prefer poetic expressions myself. I learn so much from what comes through the unconscious and into print.

May I ask what parts of the poem affected you?  We could start there if you truly want answers.



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Goof wrote:

So can someone tell me what is the point of living?

To bring the point of living into your life, right now, by being the best you that you can be!
The "best you" wraps everything in unconditional love!

Goof wrote:

Why do we even bother?

We chose to come here to "remember" that we can bother to change everything in front of us in the now simply by deciding to!
And when we bother to change everything to love right in front of us...everything changes to love right in front of us.


Goof wrote:

To feel? 
How is feeling pain / separation / sick / worn / tired / diseased  a great gift?

The "great gift" is that we have the ability to change any feeling...
pain to ecstasy
separation to togertherness
sick to well
worn to new
tired to energetic
diseased to healthy



Goof wrote:

Seems more like a curse to me. 
Why should anyone have to go through any of that?

To re-learn what we already know...that we have the ability to end any 'so called curse' at any time!
 

Goof wrote:

How does it remind you that you're of a divine legacy?

Because once you re-awaken and decide to change everything to good in the now in front of you...you begin to live like the divine legacy you really are and everyone you come in contact with will feel that divineness and they will begin to "re-awaken" too...in their own way and time.

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I can definitely relate to you all. Severe depression my early life. I could have been doped up on pharmaceuticals but something told me no.

It's all about transmutation. Turning lead into gold. Fear into Love. Carbon into diamonds. Hostility into Hospitality.
You are the philosopher's stone.

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It seems as though I have taken sides on this question as to The Meaning Of Life, but now I'm going to chime in from the other (life has meaning) side, problems notwithstanding...

~ slip-sliding my way to understanding ~

DanB wrote:

...you begin to live like the divine legacy you really are and everyone you come in contact with will feel that divineness and they will begin to "re-awaken" too...in their own way and time.

Living the 'divine legacy' - emanating that egoless, not-even-human love truly IS a reminder of something that has been awakened. My whole existence often shrinks down to one moment of "contact". As though it's not even me anymore and the other person is... uhhhmmm sparked. These moments are palpable. Almost surreal. And frequent. Ironically enough, THAT'S when I feel like a robot. Like it's not even me anymore.

Although this still doesn't answer the $64,000,000 question ( why so many problems? ) it does put a very real face on the other side of the equation. Something, somewhere - I don't have all the terminology for it - does make sense.

I don't think anyone could reach whatever-you-call-it on pure logic, or intellect. The obstacles of life do NOT make sense to me, but neither do the miracles.

So there ya go.

To Goof, and to fivecatz, and to myself I say; look at those moments of contact. And don't stop looking.

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Z3n3rG said:  "the hurdle was that old saying, "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired".  I just grew weary of worrying about the things I couldn't change.  There was never really anything in this life that made me want to stick around.  I never felt any attachment to any of it.  It just all seemed rather retarded.  And after years and years and years I just grew sick of those thoughts.  They never got me anywhere and just made me feel worse.

So I was just like, screw it.  I tried that path and it's lame.  I felt the despair and it did nothing.  I thought about all the conspiracies, and all the people suffering, and all the things I had no power to change, and just couldn't keep it up because no matter how bad I felt it still didn't change.  So I decided to just take all those little epiphanies and all those philosophical and spiritual teachings and made them my own.  I figured it can't hurt at this point.  The other way certainly didn't do a thing for me or anyone else.  Maybe this way will give some reprieve.  And if I can get some reprieve then maybe I can give some of that to others."


Z - I appreciate your response so much.  And you're absolutely right.  I find your words to be grounding.

I'm loving this thread so much I wish we could all be on a conference call.  I suspect that SO many of us have these same thoughts, esp. when our life doesn't really suck, that we can't admit it to ourselves, let alone go public....Yet the feelings are still there. 

Much love  to you all,

ellen


PS - Rhyotion - the right med only takes the edge off.  At least that's been my experience.  Not a big deal.  But at least I don't cry at the front desk anymore.

30 Reply by nexus (edited by nexus 2007-12-06 07:30:36)

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Goof,

The negative oppressive feelings you describe are the legacy of humanity because they are the legacy of our own past.  We've all had many difficult experiences over many incarnations and we carry the record of it all in the subconscious regions of the astral, mental and etheric levels of our own being.  Our soul force has been spent in a lower matrix of selfhood such that many people no longer have any realisation of spiritual selfhood.

Spiritual selfhood is THE divine legacy but it is obscured by the lower- self with all it's wounds.  While one person can happilly proclaim the divine legacy of subtle spiritual feelings, another is in douibt and confusion wondering why anyone should have to go through the ugliness of feeling like nothing more than a victim of life.  God allows this dark night of the soul because, while it may be difficult to believe, it is just, and it can act as a motivator to ask, as you do, WHY?  It can be the beggining of wisdom.  If you will ask this question of God, and if you will ask the corollary questions regarding what you must do to alleviate the problems you mention [ie. enquire as to the causes] then your spiritual path can begin to accelerate. 

If you can accept that your problems stem from the opposition of the mass consciousness against expressing your inner identity, and stem also from distortions in your own consciousness, then your higher self can find the receptivity in your mind to reveal the causes within you which cause you to suffer as a consequence of the actions of others... and can also reveal to you those actions of your own which cause you to suffer.   Often we fail to realise cause and effect in relation to our own actions.  The higher self can also give you a greater discernment to separate the chaff from the wheat in all the info / disinfo coming at you and give you greater clarity as to what you must do in order to fulfill your reason for being.  The seeking and finding of this inner relationshipis worth persuing because it makes life worth living.  Otherwise we are treading water.  Killing time.  We are still waiting for the 'beggining of wisdom'  and whilst we cling to the inertia of the 'victim' consciousness the wait could continue for a long time.  If you can define something that does give you the feeling that at least IT is worthwhile then water it and feed it with your hope, faith and charity,  it will become the kindling to ignite in you a greater passion for life in general.  I hope you can think of something.  The best to you.

ps.  I wrote this post after reading only page one.  I didn't realise there were 2 pages.  Others have covered most of my points here in page two anyway.

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