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"I am probably not the best person to answer these as the more i know the less i know and the more i get sucked into this matrix by speculations my motto is be aware but not involved and work on yourself."

Sounds like we're flying in formation.

I'm working on the discernment bit, heaps of BS out here in the Matrix and on the 'net to wade through. Sometimes on this forum I have had to force myself to conceptualise what somebody is trying to convey. It doesn't help when they go on and on and on, paragraph after paragraph, then only to reach their non-conclusion. Hey, I got a life too you know, you just wasted 20 minutes of it.

True, the nature of metaphysics itself is a bit nebulous, but that doesn't mean your writing needs to be. Ya gotta point, then get there.

All this 'End Time', Mayan Calendar, 2012, etc. may or may not come about. I can clearly see the end of the cycle of 'Hydrocarbon Man', the bogus economic system, large population die-offs, wars - as far as I'm concerned all that is a given, it is objective reality based. It is the woo-woo stuff that I am trying to get my head around. I keep seeing more and more references to such concepts, but I'm wondering if some of it might be related to the human tendancy to copy the fad of the moment. The Fulford letters could fall into that category. If so, then some of the more evolved people on the forum might be able to spot the BS.

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I'm starting to think that there is no way to avert very intense cataclysms in the near future.  However, I am concerned with the direction things go in response to such events.  I would like to see individuals become truly empowered, and stop depending on the likes of Rockefeller etc to guide the way.

There were some interesting mentions of immortality in this article.  I have no doubt that there is an effort to push technology to the limit in order to achieve 3D immortality here on Earth.  The "ghost" seemed to be referencing this agenda in jest to Rockefeller.  The whole article came off as an inside joke to me.  Whether the ghost and Fulford are genuine is hard to say.  I tend to think that they are not.

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hurcano wrote:

There were some interesting mentions of immortality in this article.  I have no doubt that there is an effort to push technology to the limit in order to achieve 3D immortality here on Earth.  The "ghost" seemed to be referencing this agenda in jest to Rockefeller.  The whole article came off as an inside joke to me.  Whether the ghost and Fulford are genuine is hard to say.  I tend to think that they are not.

Yeah, maybe I joke. I thought it was just an inconsistency... In the first letter he mentions that humans are about to become billions of different species and start to explore the universe in different dimensions. Then in the last letter he talks about 3d immortality achieved with science... which IS a joke... to me, at least.

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Thanks for the replies and the insights. This Fulford guy has now been dismissed as a 'crank' by those who were working with him. He originally had a story about an Asian Secret Society that was giving final notice to the Illuminati families to change their ways.

Anyway, what I found interesting was this latest release of information. In the letters he goes on about many of the concepts that are thrown around on this forum, concepts that are not discussed by the masses. I suppose this goes to show that there can be all sorts of disinformation in many different forms. Perhaps this guy is being used as a vehicle to taint such concepts. A common tactic of counter intelligence is to taint a large body of truth with a small amount of clearly discernable garbage. Perhaps that's what we may be viewing in the recent letters???

About the Werhner Von Braun connection and this supposed Operation Blue Beam, I'm getting conflicting information from various sources. My present postition (subject to change in the next 10 minutes!) is that Von Braun knew of the efforts to back engineer downed UFOs and that there was some program to create such vehicles for the Illuminati to use in a program of disinformation. Wouldn't surprise me, but I can imagine the impact on the general public to such a program of 'UFO vehicles' suddenly showing up on the White House lawn.

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For me, I was thinking "hanh?" with his description of the afterlife and what was coming up down the road for Mankind.  It didn't ring true at all, and so I was left going, Well, uh, reality is subjective for everybody I guess.....  o_0 !

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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If I can offer my humble opinion in as little waffle as I can muster: Got to say - more distraction to keep some ever hopeful like NESARA. Nothings happened to support F'fords original claims. The decline in the dollar and China's tactics don't seem unusual. The chemtrailing has just got worse in the western world - what happened to those harsh cease and desist orders - although I don't know for sure what goes on over China. Most of those that mysteriously dropped dead, disappeared or resigned recently can be explained by the usual faction fighting and internal power struggles of the elite and military ind. complex. Not neccessarily the Chinese Secret Society. And now of course F'frd is focusing just a bit too much on Rock-your-fella. Good distraction from the real hands inside the puppets and never an inkling that they might not be human hands without an interest in humanity and our souls desires. you'd think that his grandfather would have an idea of the bigger game considering his post life experience and would know that David R could pop his moccasins tomorrow and things would not change.

The so-called spiritual stuff or post life tripping his grandad had just didn't speak to me at all -maybe he went to hell. The idea of a spiritually appealing letter to R'fella or any of those cretins just turns my stomache too.
The last letter is just like a copy and paste of alternative forum speak in order to harness their attention and give the impression that he knows more than he does and is.
Sorry Mr. Fulford your times up we need to move on and sort this out ourselves.

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I found this article online while using the stumble upon function of my Mozilla browser. I think this is direct evidence which supports the existence of ghosts. This is without a doubt A-MUST-READ!!!!

"My ghost is such a joke!
Date: 2006-08-16, 1:30PM PDT


I just moved into this one bedroom apartment for the incredible low price of $450 a month! I mean, it's on the third level, which sucks. It's worth it, though.

When the landlord gave me a tour he told me something along the lines of "I need to be upfront with you. The reason why the rent is so cheap is because past tenants have complained that the apartment is haunted. Before you sign the lease consider this. I'm tired of my tenants breaking their lease because they hear a couple of noises."

Whatever. As long as I can eat Cheetos in the nude while watching reruns of Seinfeld, I'm happy.

So, my first night I was sleeping, dreaming of blow jobs or something, and then I woke up to some noise. I sat up to see the pages of my Guiness Book of World Records rustling and turning. No shit.

Yeah, right, like THAT'S scary! Hahahahh. Puh-lease !

I laid back down and went to sleep. I mean, if Peter (I decided to name him Peter.) wanted to know the size of the biggest loogie in the world, that's his business. Personally, if I was a ghost I'd whisper menacing things to my ex girlfriend like: "I willll kiiiiilll youuu, cheating biiiiitch," or "Keeeeeellllyyyyyy. .. Keeeellyyyyy", or "Youuuu haaaave heeerpeees." Whatever.

Seriously, my ghost is a joke. He gurgles. What the f*ck? Have you ever heard of a ghost gurgling before? I'm in the kitchen, trying to melt the plastic handle of my spatula on the stove, when I hear this annoying as f*ck gurgling sound behind me. Wilson is not scary, he's annoying. (At this point I found it appropriate to rename him Wilson.)

Wilson sucks, but he does one cool thing. Every once in a while I'll catch a glimpse of this transparent, gruesome, bloody dude hanging from a noose in my bedroom. I know this is Wilson, which I renamed Tiberius, because he gurgles.
Yeah, he looks cool, but it sucks when I'm trying to have sex or masturbate. Tiberius is kind of a turn off, you know."

Strengthen your microcosm. Love. Knowledge. Faith.
http://montalk.net/metaphys/42/principl … ion-part-i

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Freespirt, good post. I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

Kahnsentrayshun, - now that is funny!

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It's amazing what you can find on Yahoo Groups. I had just discovered http://exopolitics.org/ , which is a fascinating place if you haven't seen it before, and I came across a rather interesting article on Benjamin Fulford. Apparently the Asians have a secret society of their own, and they might even be the "good" guys.

The first article was published in July:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Exop … essage/145

And the plot thickened in September:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Exop … essage/188

But it gets better. Four days ago (11/13) they added ghosts into the mix:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Exop … essage/222


So what do you think? Any of this possibly true?

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I think the exopolitics stories are a bit suspect.  In the first one they start out talking of the Chinese and end up talking about the Japanese -- as though those two countries are on the same team.    Considering the events of World War II and relations between the two since then, I don't think so ...

But Fulford's letters themselves rang rather true to me.

26 (edited by Bhang 2007-12-02 14:27:00)

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Chinese Triads

Since the dawn of Chinese history there have been various groups of bandits that have formed secret organizations, frequently referred to as Triads.  They have been an integral part of Chinese culture and society.  Sometimes they have worked with the government; most times they have worked against it.  The term "triad" was first used "by British authorities in Hong Kong as a reference to the triangular shape of the Chinese character for 'secret society.'"  (Bolz 147)  These modern day secret societies are changing the face of organized crime, as the American knows it.  No longer is it the days of La Cosa Nostra, otherwise known as the Italian mafia.  Now it is the epoch of the Sun Yee On and various other Triad groups.
“Today there are approximately 60 million Chinese living outside China.  Excepting those Africans whose ancestors were slaves, or willing migrants, they are the largest single expatriate minority nationality on earth.” (Booth 3)  A large portion of these migrants have relocated themselves to the United States of America, but no matter what location these migrants have placed themselves in, Triad societies have inevitably followed.
The Chinese people, who have relocated to various foreign countries, by and large, keep to themselves.  They strongly maintain their national and cultural identity.  Those persons from a particular province or town tend to feel they have a bond with others they meet from the same area, i.e., Fujian province, even though they may have never have met before their migration to a foreign country.  An indication of the introverted Chinese society is the creation of the many Chinatowns of the U.S. and not their integration into society.
"The United States contains the sixth largest Chinese population in the world and the largest population of Chinese outside of Asia.  Approximately one quarter of all Asian Americans are Chinese, totaling about 1,650,000 people.  The Chinese population in the United States, both legal and illegal, has increased greatly within the last decade... his is particularly notable in view of the fact that the average Chinese citizen's income in China is only about $500 per year..."(US Hearings 327)
The stalwart Confucian upbringing of these peoples has taught them that they must watch their backs, and their brothers’.  Associations were created using this system, creating a security net for all those involved.  These “security nets” rapidly evolved into something much more. (Booth 4)  The Triads are linked by language and lineage.  This makes them hard to penetrate because the lack of current law enforcement which speaks various Chinese dialects.  Under the pretense of humanitarian organizations, they became fronts for more seedy objectives.  These “self-interest fraternities sprang up based upon clan, family or place of origin.” (Booth 13)  Even today modern triad or tong societies have a ‘humanitarian’ motto, which they live by.  In donating thousands of dollars they support the poor and elderly, run hospitals, schools and orphanages, in addition to their illegal exploits.
The first secret society in China that has been recorded was in 9 A.D.  The society called itself Chi Mei (Red Eyebrows).  They referred to themselves as the Red Eyebrows because of their practice of painting their eyebrows red in order to seem fiercer to their opponents, because "demons had red eyelids.” (Booth 4)  As they wreaked havoc for the reigning Han dynasties, an army was sent to destroy them.  “The bandits [were] thrown into confusion by a wily general, Feng Yi, who ordered his troops to paint their eyebrows red, too.  In the chaos, the outlaws were annihilated.” (Booth 4)
Modern Triad societies claim decadency from the secret societies that were developed in the Zhou dynasty, which ruled from 1027 to 221 B.C.  “They are historically, if distantly, descended from those secret associations and groups which fit into the long tradition of self-preservation through unity and patriotism…” (Booth 4)
Most of the Triad sects today can only trace their actual creation to the eighteenth or nineteenth centuries during last dynasty of China, the Qing, which existed from 1644-1911. (Schirokauer 226)  To the native Han Chinese of China it was an aristocracy of suppressing foreigners.   The Qing dynasty was set up by the Manchu people from the north of China, and the native Han peoples were decidedly taken advantage of and suppressed.  The invading Manchu forces, which created the Qing dynasty, had taken advantage of the decrepit Ming dynasty that was busy fighting its own secret societies that plagued it.  With the Ming weakened from within by rebellions and underground societies, the Qing conquered the current ruling family of the Ming and set up a new dynasty.
Under the second emperor of the Qing, Kang Hsi, secret societies, as well as religious organizations like Buddhism and Taoism were outlawed and their monasteries shut.  “Taoists were branded superstitious charlatans and priests caught selling charms were executed.”  (Booth 8) The harshness that was instigated by Kang Hsi was intolerable to the peoples of China.  Instead of the banned secret societies dissolving, they went underground creating pro-Ming, anti-Qing insurrections.  One such society is the Hung Society.  “Exactly when the Hung Society (Hung Mun in Cantonese) formed is unknown.  It emerged by the organic aggregation of other societies into a united whole… most likely… in 1674: it was certainly well established by 1700.” (Booth 9)
The Tian-Di Hui (Heaven and Earth Society), the Hung Society’s most widely used alias to avoid being banned, “proclaimed its aims of moral reform, the furtherance of religious belief and practice, the encouragement of Chinese nationalism and coined the famous catchphrase which has echoed down the years of Triad history, 'Fan qing-fuk ming': ‘Overthrow the Qing, restore the Ming’.” (Booth 10)  Although the Qing destroyed thousands of Heaven and Earth members in an attempt to destroy the Hung Society, it has still survived.  Some modern Triad societies can trace themselves back to the Hung Society. 
"Because the early triads were attempting to topple the ruling elements of the day, and had, in fact, been persecuted in the past, they developed secret forms of identification and communication.  Triads today remain an obsessively secretive and closed criminal fraternity.  The triads also developed highly ritualized initiation ceremonies meant to instill a strong sense of secrecy, and more importantly, loyalty to other triad members.  The ceremonies center around 36 oaths.  The greater parts of these oaths deal with loyalty to the triad.  Each oath ends with a promise of death if the oath is broken. (GD 1991 92)
“…The newest and most powerful crime groups have sprung up in the last fifty years.” (Bolz 147)  According to the United States government there are 7 main Chinese triad societies in the world.  Although only 4 main Triad groups are listed in this article, this is only a small fraction of the number of actual groups in operation.  Some modern estimates are that there are more than 60 various Triad organizations.  There are as many as 180,000 members of different triad entities worldwide.  (Assc Press 1)
The Sun Yee On is, by far, the largest and most powerful of the Triads.  It is based in Hong Kong but has several offshoots, the most prolific branch with 25,000 members.  The Sun Yee On is said to be of Chiu Chao and Hakka origin.  (US Hearings 92)  As a whole, it is believed to be in control of over 56,000 members worldwide, with sub-organizations located in New York, Miami, San Francisco, and Los Angeles.
The 14K Triad, based in Hong Kong, has over 20,000 members, usually of Cantonese origin, within thirty subgroups.  (US Hearings 93)  It is characterized as the principal rival of the Sun Yee On in Hong Kong.  The 14K also have a conspicuous presence in Taiwan that "was established by a Kuomintang general and still has ties to the Kuomintang Party."  (US Hearings 93)  It additionally has associates all throughout the United States, Canada, Australia, and the Far East.  It has been particularly active in heroin trafficking.
The Wo Group, with over 20,000 members is also based in Hong Kong.  Its membership is comprised of mainly Cantonese members, much like the 14K.  The Wo Hop To, a major division of the Wo group, has a major base of operation in San Francisco.  "[Illegal] gambling is a major source of cash for the Wo Hop To's operations...  The Wo Hop To is also active in many of the 'legal' card clubs in Emeryville, San Bruno and San Jose." (US Hearings 119)  The Hong Kong based Luen Group boasts 8,000 members with 4 subgroups.
The United Bamboo Group is based in Taiwan with offshoots in foreign countries, especially those countries that maintain political ties with Taiwan. (US Report 12)   These countries include several in Central and South America.  The United Bamboo Group consists of at least 10,000 members, mostly second and third generation mainland immigrants, who migrated to Taiwan in 1949 with the fall of Chiang Kai-Shek and the Kuomintang.  A United Bamboo Members’ Code of Ethics paper that was confiscated by the Los Angeles Country Sheriff’s Department has been translated and is as follows:

United Bamboo Members’ Code of Ethics

[size=21]1. Harmony with the people is the first priority.  We have to establish good social and personal connections so as not to create enemies.
2. We have to seek special favors and help from uncommitted gang members by emphasizing our relationships with outside people.  Let them publicize us.
3. Gambling is our main financial source.  We have to be careful how we handle it.
4. Do not take it upon yourself to start things and make decisions you are not authorized to make.  You are to discuss and plan all matters with the group and “Elder Brother.”
5. Everyone has their assigned responsibility.  Do not create confusion.
6. We do not divulge our plans and affairs to outsiders, for example to our wives, girlfriends, etc.  This is for our own safety.
7. We have to be united with all our brothers and obey our Elder Brother’s orders.
8. All money earned outside the group must be turned over to the group.  You must not keep any of it for yourself.  Let the Elder Brother decide.
9. When targeting wealthy prospects, do not act hastily.  Furthermore, do not harass or threaten them.  Act to prevent suspicion and fear upon their part.
10. If anything unexpected happens, do not abandon your brothers.  If arrested, shoulder all responsibility and blame.  Do not involve your brothers.[/size]
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