• From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

And what "faulty foundation" would that be, z3n3rg? Besides, repetitively redundant repetition that repeats itself redundantly is not sexual harrassment. lol. Nitpicking, aren't we? What about the content and the message conatained within? I posted the Q&A of Teresa so you could have a reference on the current situation, as you thought Anu still held existence in his grip. Not interested in taking about that, huh?  Oh, well. Glad I could help.

But seriously, what are we to make of the Destenian message? No, this is not a "feel good" message to hear that we are all equally responsible for the condition of the world. I think that's where the fear comes in.

For me, the fear is that these messages, which are the first communications we have ever recieved that places responsibility of the pathologies of the Human Being squarely on It's shoulders, will be rejected because of greedy self-interest. Have we ever been "one and equal" in this world? Of course not. And nothing ever changes except Human capacity for destruction grows. For Gibbon, it's fear that the mental-emotional-feeling "bodies" which he identifies himself as, will be lost, and all that will remain is an unthinking, controllable "zombie," without an identity or access to all the knowledge and information by which he defines himself. To z3n3rg, it's a fear these messages are nothing but a manipulative, pedantic disinfo experiment (who knows who's behind it-- the Illuminati?), weakened by unspecific "glaring inconsistancies" which when addressed, are simply ignored, and a tacit surrender to the forces that enslaves us, while agreeing to the principle of oneness and equality, he asks, rather puckishly, how I am going to "force" people to consider oneness and equality while I allow the murdering, starvation to continue as I type words onto the internet. What a hypocrirtical cop-out.

To which I answer: I am down for responsibilty for myself and this planet that is being killed by Humanity. How about you? Are you guys more interested in keeping the shit going or standing up to it? Because you can't have it both ways.

You are right about one thing, z3n3rg, and that is we do learn from each other. And what I've learned so far is that there is a great fear in leaving everything behind. People talk about "changing the world," but when push comes to shove, it's all about how much will it cost? The answer: "Everything." Money. Relationships. Beauty. Religion. God. Ascensions. Love. Hope. Sex. Everything you knew, wanted and loved. Everything in your mind is all just pre-programmed "interests," "desires," "choices" and "abilities," anyway.

Let it all go and stand up for oneness and equality. Or tell us what your interest is in keeping the staus quo.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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242 Reply by z3n3rg (edited by z3n3rg 2007-11-22 18:27:54)

  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:

And what "faulty foundation" would that be, z3n3rg?

That if everyone doesn't choose oneness and equality, that we all fail.  Which means there's no choice but for everyone to fail because not everyone is going to choose this.  Why do you ask me something that I already eleborated on?


Besides, repetitively redundant repetition that repeats itself redundantly is not sexual harrassment. lol. Nitpicking, aren't we?

No, pointing out what appears to be an obfuscation technique.  You continue to ignore my actual points.


What about the content and the message conatained within?

As I previously said, many of the concepts are valid.  Did you not see that?


I posted the Q&A of Teresa so you could have a reference on the current situation, as you thought Anu still held existence in his grip. Not interested in taking about that, huh?  Oh, well. Glad I could help.

That doesn't answer the questions.  By the words of the messages themselves, if Anu and others like him do not get on board then we all fail.  I call you out on ignorning my points and then you deflect it back at me.  It doesn't matter if Anu doesn't have a grip on existence.  That doesn't address the points I brought up.


But seriously, what are we to make of the Destenian message? No, this is not a "feel good" message to hear that we are all equally responsible for the condition of the world. I think that's where the fear comes in.

I've years ago taken on the responsibility that I am all that is, both light and dark.  I took on that spiritual ideal that I contain the capacity for the deepest levels of each.  And I have expressed as much on this forum before.

To z3n3rg, it's a fear these messages are nothing but a manipulative, pedantic disinfo experiment (who knows who's behind it-- the Illuminati?), weakened by unspecific "glaring inconsistancies" which when addressed, are simply ignored, and a tacit surrender to the forces that enslaves us, while agreeing to the principle of oneness and equality

It's not a fear.  It's a tentative conclusion based on the evidence given.  But since it doesn't fall in line 100% with what you think then you brush off my points by calling them "fear".


he asks, rather puckishly, how I am going to "force" people to consider oneness and equality while I allow the murdering, starvation to continue as I type words onto the internet. What a hypocrirtical cop-out.

That was a mirror to show you how silly your arguments sound at this level.  But then you jump to a higher level.  Another tactic that I addressed in the thread I linked earlier.


To which I answer: I am down for responsibilty for myself and this planet that is being killed by Humanity. How about you?

Two separate things here.  I took responsibility for myself and all that is contained within awhile ago.  The second thing is that humanity is not killing the planet.  Humanity may be creating a situation where it doesn't allow for human life but Earth will live on.


Are you guys more interested in keeping the shit going or standing up to it? Because you can't have it both ways.

I realize you don't understand.  Maybe you should get more of a spiritual background than WIH and Desteni.


You are right about one thing, z3n3rg, and that is we do learn from each other. And what I've learned so far is that there is a great fear in leaving everything behind. People talk about "changing the world," but when push comes to shove, it's all about how much will it cost? The answer: "Everything." Money. Relationships. Beauty. Religion. God. Ascensions. Love. Hope. Sex. Everything you knew, wanted and loved. Everything in your mind is all just pre-programmed "interests," "desires," "choices" and "abilities," anyway.

Let it all go and stand up for oneness and equality. Or tell us what your interest is in keeping the staus quo.

You really think we don't get it, huh?  You really think we are cowering in fear from these messages?  You really think we have not progressed at all spiritually?  Just because this is your first time coming across higher spiritual concepts doesn't mean the road has not yet been travelled.  I addressed that early on in this thread.  But since anything that doesn't come from Desteni is automatically wrong then there is no way to actually converse with you.  You just keep deflecting, ignoring, and then accuse me of doing it.

I think enough has been said for anyone coming across this material to make an informed decision.

243 Reply by titmouse_ (edited by titmouse_ 2007-11-22 18:58:02)

  • From: Shores of Lake Titikaka
  • Registered: 2006-05-25

Re: The Dead Series.

Could someone post(repost) a link to a written transcript of Desteni's channeling, if one exists, for those of us who still live in the  "dial-up dimension".  Thanks. wink

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  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: The Dead Series.

http://desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/hitler6.htm

  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

Don't really want to get into a quote box match, so let me say this---

Re: Choice. You yourself have agreed that we, the collective of Humanity, are one and equal. Logically, it follows that we all stand or fall together. After we cross over, you and I and everybody that crosses over will understand oneness and equality and undergo a process in facing what we've allowed. Now, the "choice" that exists is whether you want to face yourself here, or in the dimensions. The dimensionals and the recently departed all say the same thing: doing process on Earth is much, much easier than doing it in the dimensions. Now this may strike you as not having much of a choice, but consider what Anu and the White Light did: they wiped all memories and put you into another body with no say in the matter other than which of these limited options do you "choose?" The problem I have with your argument, z3r, is that you understand that we are one and equal, but you hide behind the opinion that not everyone will choose to stand as one, so what is the use? I am sorry to say this, but that is a cop-out.

As for your rather surprising notion that Humanity is not killing this planet, I am shocked that this can even be a bone of contention. "Don't worry, Be happy?" "Everything will be alright?"

I also note your suggestion for me acquiring a "spiritual background," man. Thank you for that. Now I know you are enslaved to the most advanced degree of separation possible. What "God" exists outside yourself that is more than you? I thought we were past religious superstitions on this board, but I guess it must endure further. Tell me all about how these "spirits" have done ONE goddam thing for Humanity besides enslaving them to religious systems!? Come now, your response cannot take you much time to utter a single word: "NOTHING." Which Ascended Master or Ascension program do you follow? Did you know that "Masters" and "Gods" and "Ascensions" were  all White Light constructs? Tell us, what "level" of existence do you hope to gain access to? How would you feel looking down from "level" 4 down to us poor schmucks on "level" 3? I've got some news for you: Existence is not a goddam video game anymore. There are no more "levels" for you to escape to. You are trapped on this shithole with me and everybody else, and all escape routes have been closed. So, what will it be? Will you stand up for oneness and equaliy, or will you cop-out and defend your knowledge and some sort of personal stake in keeping the systems going and worship and follow Gods that don't exist and then die only to find out to your immense sorrow that you could've done process on earth?

Another note: Desteni has nothing to do with "higher spiritual concepts," z3r. None. How could there be Gods and Goddess and Masters floating around in the Aethers be "more" than yourself? They have been useless. Open a History book and see how much help Humanity hs been given by these "spirits." Such ideas are enslavements, and if you believe there is something "out there" that will make you more powerful, or peaceful or whatever, then you have placed such things outside of you, and you are living separation. So you have just proved to everybody that you don't "get it." Why, because it is impossible to have understanding if you believe existence has "levels": the "bad" levels need to be escaped to the "good" levels in a top-bottom arrangement, because obviously, all of existence is based in duality of good/bad. You seem to understand that polarities are illusory, yet you've just built a dualistic cosmology for yourself. I am here to tell you that existence does not exist in polarity, and that such concepts are projections from the pre-programmed, pathological mind. There is no escape, no matter how much one substitutes beliefs with reality.

But maybe you've proved to yourself that such things as Gods and Ascensions and Ascended Masters exist outside of yourself. In that case,the ones that have proved the Desteni messages to themselves, congratulates you. Desteni wouldn't have annyone believe in something that one couldn't be proven to one's self. Otherwise, it's just useless information and knowledge passed between two preprogrammed minds. And what would THAT prove?  lol

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

Here: http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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  • Registered: 2006-03-29

Re: The Dead Series.

There's no sense in attempting to converse with you any further Kid.  There's no conversation going on anyway.  You just simply repeat what alleged dimensionals say and use the current situation on the planet as the proof.  You ignore any other points or twist them to fit into the desteni perspective.  Pointing it out has no affect what so ever.  It's the same exact thing that happened back on the first 5-6 pages of this thread.

What if they are wrong?  What if they are lying?  Not possible, I know.

I do admit I got frustrated with the way you twist or ignore everything anyone says.  I don't often allow that to happen.  I suppose it's my innate programmed mind that makes me want to point out inconsistencies and manipulative tactics so others don't fall into the same trap you have.

I can't respond to your latest response because I already covered all that.  You just take the input, send it through your desteni inspired perspective, spit it back out twisted from it's original version and say see here how wrong you are.  There's no way to make you see that if you don't want to.

So I apologize.  I should never had wanted you to see beyond the mental box you have securely locked yourself into.  That's not very sto of me.

I shall follow Spi's lead and leave the topic.  And if I ever think of posting on it again I need to slap myself thrice.

And for those that wish to virtually meet the people behind "destini" just check out the forum.  http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/forum/

  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

You haven't answered my question. What God or Goddess or any "Spiritual" deity do you follow? And how have you proved to yourself that these manifestations exist? Tell us, how does your "spirituality" provide "peace of mind " in the teeth of a nightmare that is "God's Green Earth?"

And of course, you fail to mention the entire equation: namely what if Desteni is right?  What then? I've already asked Gibbon whhy he considers the Desteni message an impossibility, and he hasn't replied yet. How can you make an informed decision when you haven't gone thru ALL the material? If you guys can assure us this message is impossibly wrong, then tell us why!

"Twist and ignore?" Please, you can't defend your position for copping out on Humanity, yet you accuse Desteni of following a cynical STO agenda? Check. Agreeing and totally understanding that Humanity exists in "oneness and equality" then deny it because it will cost you too much? Check. Substituting religious fantasies of "Ascensons" and "levels" for the down and dirty 3D reality from which there is no escape? Check.

You can run off, but we all know you'll give in to at least read this response (just like Spi). That's fine. After all your waffling and dishonesty in discussing this, I would run away, too.

Till next time.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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  • From: Brazil
  • Registered: 2006-02-11

Re: The Dead Series.

z3n3rg wrote:

I shall follow Spi's lead and leave the topic.  And if I ever think of posting on it again I need to slap myself thrice.

LoL !
I do not even read these posts anymore, just checked in the beginning, got my opinion(+- the same as you, and some others) and bailout...
But as I saw your nick decided to check...

Bye, Pictus

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  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

That's cool, Pictus. I never read yours either. LoL!

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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251 Reply by titmouse_ (edited by titmouse_ 2007-11-23 10:02:03)

  • From: Shores of Lake Titikaka
  • Registered: 2006-05-25

Re: The Dead Series.

What I read at Desteni-universe leaves me sensing an agenda; a show. The language is robotic, lacking poetry, enthiasm, sponteneity, as if speaking to the dead, the paranoid, the fearful. If an entity came for the first time and inhabited a human body I would surely "feel" an exuberance, a delight, a reborn spirit.  I have to ask how all the poets of the past were never valid channels of the great thinkers and artists of their past. Now a staged and unapproachable female alone has the gift? Passion, or lack of it, surely defines membership in "the dead". This production does not give me a feeling of life, or a sense of wonderment, for which I have experienced through my own subjective feelings of oneness and equality. Nice entertainment concept, though! It should capture the attention of many a devout cultish follower.

My intuitive impression: OPs.

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  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

What is interesting is that all "talents" and "abilities" are of a pre-programmed mind system which other humans see as "profound" and "beautiful" and "special."

It's also fascinating is the sense of paranoia and fear of "agendas" that some people "feel" when encountering the Destenian communications. Of course, what they are experiencing is the reflections of paranoia and fearfulness of their own mind systems. The mind pushes back.

One asks: what is behind an "OPs" or "agenda"  that assists with the process of the amalgamation of self as life?

What is behind an "agenda" that says knowledge without application is useless?

What is behind an "agenda" that says self-honesty, self-corrective application, self-honesty and self-expresson in every moment as the breath of life as life?

What is behind an "agenda" that expresses oneness and equality of Humanity, and exposes the self-interests of those who prefer the status-quo of separation and inequality?

What is behind an "agenda" that says all Gods, Goddess, Ascension schemes, Ascended Masters, Religions, Spiritualities are nothing but separation schemes for entertain and delude Human Beings in thinking that something "greater" exists outside of themselves?

What is behind an "agenda" that says the mind consciousness system is a technologically-designed placement that cannot be trusted and must be transcended?

I wonder... what would be behind such an agenda?

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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  • From: Isle of Lucy
  • Registered: 2005-11-07

Re: The Dead Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUDrGPQ2jU The DESIGN of Trust as DISHONESTY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp09Obt1UGU The DESIGN of REACTION as Polarity Enslavement

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  • Registered: 2007-06-27

Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:
persephonevii wrote:

A question about Desteni:

I watched her video on 'Voices in the Mind- A TRAP'. I'm pretty sure most of us can relate to these voices (or is it just me?). Anyway, Desteni said we should discount and ignore ALL the voices in our head, and reign in our curiosity regarding them. But she described these voices as dis-empowering to the self, eg: 'You can't do that!', 'You're an idiot! Stop it!', etc. etc. Real limiting thoughts. But what if the voice was in fact the opposite, empowering and encouraging? Should we really then cut out ALL the voices, even the ones that speak in a positive manner?

Is this another example of mixing the truth with some disinfo? Or, is it a case of ridding yourself of any distraction and duality (eg: good voice vs bad voice) instead?

I dunno... If you are hearing any voices in your head, you're probably dealing with some heavy issues.

Mixing truth with disinfo? I dunno about that. either. You just have to prove this for yourself if transcending the mind is worth your time. I think you hit the nail squarely on its head with your comment about ridding the mind of from distracting thoughts. Good/Bad is an illusion of the mind system, obviously, and it needs the friction generated by mental dualistic constructs to keep itself, and the illusion of duality, alive. This is hard to fathom with the mind alone, since the mind cannot "see" itself. The mind consciousness system truly is "the Veil."

No, like an inner voice. The voice of your mind or your thoughts... not like a schizophrenic who actually thinks he/she hears real, physical voices inside his/her head. Often in books and in movies we hear this inner voice of sorts in different characters... I guess it never struck me as unnatural to have these voices. Or when people say to me 'And then I heard this little voice in my head saying...'. I really don't think I have heavy issues, just surrounded by environment that encouraged that sort of distraction in your head.

So what is mind? Is it that bad? I mean didn't Desteni herself have to think to set-up these videos, to set-up an account on Youtube to post them videos, etc. I think the mind is a tool really, not some super-evil piece of engineering by super-evil forces that we must eradicate. It might be nice to sit around in consciousness all day, but I think we are here to learn things not float around in consciousness all day, and part of that learning procedure is using the mind. Well, using it correctly and does the voices in one's mind make it incorrect use? Though I don't know about the mind being infinite, it might be very, very powerful but it could have its limits.

255 Reply by titmouse_ (edited by titmouse_ 2007-11-24 22:45:07)

  • From: Shores of Lake Titikaka
  • Registered: 2006-05-25

Re: The Dead Series.

kid mongo wrote:

I wonder... what would be behind such an agenda?

I guess one can look at the words and descern for themselves what effects they have.  It is all good in the end, I suspect...for God(generic term) is paradoxically the unity of good and evil, and we, too, are two-sided in this physical state.  I carefully examine my projections of fear and paranoia, and find that my feelings are neither fearful nor paranoid, just are aware.  I simply don't feel any poetry in the words.  I hope soon to experience some of the videos.  As I have mentioned--I reside trapped in the "dial-up" dimension.  Would love to hear some channeling from dead poets. wink

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