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Actually, what would be great is if you or Gibbon could give a sensible reason why these messages are so eeevillll! None of what you have just written down indicates or supports that the mind is "infinite." So I suppose we can dispense with that. And really, whether a molecule or "mind," where did anything come from? lol Anyway, the dimensionals are trying to let us know what's really been going on with existense. It's ironic that that those who are placed to hear their message can't because their "minds" can't ascertain common sense.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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kid mongo wrote:

Example: are you personally aware of every lifetime you've ever lived? How about the past half-dozen? Nope, it's all gone, your memories, your "lessons" and evverything you knew, loved and treasured. Gone like a wisp of smoke: your consciousness. Like energy, conscioussness is limited. So what is limited, can't be constant. Consciousness is the Creator of Polarities, true. But polarity is also an illusion. Just like conscioussness. And you still haven't explained how a Creator that consumes Itself can sustain Itself.

So kid mongo, tell me if the 'dimensionals' got rid of the chakra system - How come more of my friends started recently knowing about it and are opening their chakras? What does Desteni exactly mean about the 'memory' of the mind - When they recently knew about it?

Also, I fooled you. Sound is energy - It is the vibration of molecules. If we are made up of sound, it would be frozen but it needs the active energy so it can be sparked up into animation. Since our bodies are limited with these 'frozen sound' ( wink ) , what is the active energy? Light. So this active sound is light. I'm talking about extremely high vibrating energy for the light body - Without the light body and its chakras (non-physical organs), it can not exist in collecting and sustaining itself in its active energy.  The light body/soul is the life spark to your body; without its non-physical organs it can not sustain in the physical body and the physical would die. (Though at most cases, the physical body dies first, not the light body).

Desteni, pretty much turned the tables saying light is sound.

I'm also annoyed how Desteni said that the body needs about 6 hours of sleep while the mind needs 8 or 7 hours of sleep - When I'm going to say would be relating what Dr. Standford said - We get more tired from our night sleep, yet our minds feel refreshed after a quick nap in school. The night sleep is for the physical body for its cell processing and repairing.

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Sound is vibration. Energy is the capacity to do work.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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If we are made up of sound,

How do those molecules do the work then? By its atoms vibrating for it to move. Active energy moves through me and into the floor. Working against pressure of another would require more vibrations moving. It's active, it moves through you and into other.

http://library.thinkquest.org/5116/sound.htm

Wikipedia wrote:

Sound is a vibrational transmission of mechanical energy

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Nice parsing, but not an accurate description.

Here's the complete sentence which puts your cite into the proper perspective:

"Sound is a vibrational transmission of mechanical energy that propagates through matter as a wave (through fluids as a compression wave, and through solids as both compression and shear waves) that is audibly perceived by a listener. [u]"

Transmission of energy is not a form of energy.

A list of forms of energy

Potential energy
Gravitational potential energy
Elastic potential energy
Kinetic energy
Thermal energy
Electrical energy
Magnetic energy
Electromagnetic fields
Chemical energy
Nuclear energy
Surface energy

Don't see "sound" listed...

"Active energy" is a transient state. Not a constant state. If you turn on your oven, a energy source to heat your food must be applied. You can heat your oven as long as yo have an energy source. The oven cannot heat your food on its own without a power source. If you heat your home in the winter, and the power goes out, your house will not stay heated indefinitely. Your house will experience "heat loss" and become cold. Which is an interesting thing to consider.

If your definition of "active energy" was an accurate depiction of physical reality, then the stars in the universe would never burn out. Your physical body would live forever. Obviously stars do burn out and your body withers away. Even the universe will experience a "heat death" sometime in the future.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Hmm.. But what's with Desteni's sound theory? Can you explain more how we are infinite sound? Are we transmission of mechanical energy?

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kid mongo wrote:

Actually, what would be great is if you or Gibbon could give a sensible reason why these messages are so eeevillll!

It has been explained quite thoroughly.  I understand you don't see the traps contained within or don't want to.  But you must obviously want us to point them out or you wouldn't continue discussing here.  You won't call anything we say sensible because you have invested quite a bit of time and energy into these messages.  I understand that as well.  The main problem with these messages is that they use valid concepts like "oneness and equality" to wrap up the twists of logic.  It's an age old tactic.  The same thing is done with the bible and religion.


kid mongo wrote:

None of what you have just written down indicates or supports that the mind is "infinite."

How can you say that when you just agreed with the premise?  Quoting you, "The only thing the mind is unlimited in is imagination".


kid mongo wrote:

So I suppose we can dispense with that. And really, whether a molecule or "mind," where did anything come from? lol

You see, when it goes beyond the next realm that's where the "answers" stop with this portal.  If you can't answer the question then why not just be honest and say you can't answer instead of deflecting by answering a question with a question.  If you don't want to admit the fallacies and limitations of these messages in public at least be honest with yourself.  No one is trying to hurt you by pointing this stuff out.


kid mongo wrote:

Anyway, the dimensionals are trying to let us know what's really been going on with existense. It's ironic that that those who are placed to hear their message can't because their "minds" can't ascertain common sense.

Accusing others of not having common sense because they don't blindly follow these messages is not a valid means to make a point.

Many of the erroneous argument tactics you use and that I've seen on the destini forums can be found HERE...

You might want to switch it up a bit or hone your evading skills so HERE is another link.

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This is an interesting discussion. Cheers to that.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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The mind has an infinite ability to endlessly create all sorts of things it can "imagine," which is a step removed from "experience." 

The mind can only create through projection. And even then, the projections have to be physically applied in order to appear in physical reality. If the mind was the source for creation, then I would possess the ability to create whatever I want out of thin air, without effort, just through the agency of imagination. Obviously, such abilities haven't manifested in this existence, so I cannot support the "infinite/creator mind" as source.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_art … 001176.htm

There's density to this, it depends on how lighter the make-up of the light body and spirit being easier to manifest in physical and metaphysical planes. We can not manifest because our density is too heavy and kept in a physical body which has laws in putting effort for it to manifest (Like you got an idea, you have the emotions to push you to do the work... This is 3d). As higher the density, the easier the manifestation.

Animals are in 2d, they aren't aware of them self as an individual yet to make a process of creating.

If you are channeled to 7d, there is no change in physical or metaphysical. You would be perfectly happy with the stimulated experience.

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"If you are channeled to 7d, there is no change in physical or metaphysical. You would be perfectly happy with the stimulated experience."

Uh-huh. And what about the humans suffering in 3D while you're off lollygagging about in 7D?

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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You're viewing it in 3rd density:
Human: "Oh hello, spirit, what can you do to help me when you can't even hold my hand?"
Spirit: "Strengthen yourself first, then help others... ect."
You won't ascend to 5d unless you have the fulfillment of others and yourself. It's about being charge of yourself, then help the positivity of others.

The way the board runs in Desteni is when people start having rational thoughts, you guys intimidate and mock them. Take this to the other-perspective: Won't that feed their 'demon system' instead of getting rid of it? Stop thinking in self-perspective for your self-benefit and look out of that person's eyes. You can't blame them for being 7d, they had the opportunity and chose it.

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It is a good discussion.  I completely understand where you're coming from.  When viewing from a human perspective it's easy to see the limitations.  It's difficult to look from the top down when our physical perspective is looking from the bottom, up.

You do manifest your "imagination" in this reality.  It's just delayed due to the inherant structure of this realm.  The chair you are sitting on was first a thought before it became manifest.  Every man-made thing on the planet was a thought first.  It was in imagination.  It was then projected out of the mind to become manifest, working within the "rules" of the realm of course.  It's not too huge a leap to look at all the natural elements and see those too had to first be thoughts before they were manifested. 

Thought created the foundation of what we call existence.  The expression within the thought created framework of this existence is energy-in-motion or e-motion.  There's nothing wrong with seeking the full expression of self.  There's nothing wrong with a lot that is said in the destini messages.  But that's what makes it even more dangerous.  The twists are more easily believed when there is truth contained within.

When the artificial suppression technology is removed we all will have fuller access to our energy bodies.  At that point, we will more readily be able to manifest things instantly.  By keeping this physical-energy connection suppressed the controllers can then convince the individual essense (light body) that it is no more than a frail human body.  Once the individual is convinced of this then they can provide something "higher" to fill that spiritual need many of us have found in this lifetime.

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Exactly Spi.  It's about individual choice.  The destini forum uses the tactic quite often.  The tactic of diversion by misplaced blame.

"You're wrong because people and animals are still suffering."

It's a good example of a 'non sequitur'.  It doesn't follow.  I remember one particular post on the destini forum where instead of addressing the issue in question the poster puts up a video of people beating seals to death.  "See what you allow" is the follow up diversion.

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