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Topic: Confusing Concept

Just the other day I came across a section of the Cass. Material which really made me stop and think about the reality which we find ourselves in, and it's got me stumped!

Here is that section:

    Q: (L) So, certain events and circumstances could help a person to make 'leaps?'
    A: No "leap," acceleration. Fact number one: All there is is lessons.
    Fact two: this is one big school.
    Fact three: Timing as you perceive it, is never, NEVER definite.
    Fact four: What is to happen, as you state it, is a ways off, and will not occur until you have reached that point on the learning cycle, and you are not close yet.
    Fact five: The learning cycle is variable, and progress along it is determined by events and circumstances as they unfold.

From the Wave Series:
"This idea of being on a "learning cycle" and the progress being determined by events and circumstances is made a little clearer in the following:

    Remember, density refers to one's conscious awareness only. Once one is aware, ALL conforms to that awareness.

This seems to be a crucial key to our understanding of the events and manifestations of our lives. "Once one is aware, ALL conforms to that awareness." What does this mean, really?"

Yes what does that MEAN!?

Here is where I'm stumped. It states in fact four "What is to happen as you state it, is a ways off, and will NOT occur UNTIL YOU have reached that POINT on the learning cycle.  Then it states "Once one is aware, ALL conforms to that awareness" Ok whoa whoa whoa what? Once one is aware!?

What does that mean exactly!?

I have been thinking about this, and I'm going to throw out what I've been thinking and maybe I'm right on, maybe I'm completely off, maybe I'm close I have no clue!

I have been thinking about the possibility, that each individual that finds themselves in this 3rd density reality is really the key to the rest of that reality ascending to a 4th density perspective, since "density" refers to ones awareness.  If that is the case, then what that would imply is that every other individual is but a reflection of themselves being projected into your reality from their base reality.  If that isn't quite clear think about it in terms of "alternate reality's".  It has been stated by the C's that one of the reasons we experience deja vu is because we are remembering something which has occurred in another reality where we actually were there. Anyways, that implies that alternate reality's exist, and at this exact moment in time, we must then also exist some place else, possibly many more places. If this is the case then it would make sense that we'd have reflections of ourselves being projected into other individual's base reality's, and the reason we aren't exactly aware of them, or experiencing them is because what we ourselves experience now is our base reality.
I mean how is it possible, if one reaches a certain degree all other reach that level of awareness??? Would that not completely go against other individuals personal development and free-will??

So if what is to happen, only will happen once you reach that POINT on the learning-cycle then would that mean if you were to just forget about any and all of this stuff that time may never come for you?

For some reason I'm thinking about that movie where Tom Cruise discovers he's in a lucid dream the entire time and once he realizes this is when he's liberated from it. And if were all but reflections projecting into others' realities then the real purpose of anyone and anything that occurs in your life is to "learn" from it. Which then the C's statement about "All are lessons" would be true in every aspect of our reality down to the smallest occurance.

So what do others think this means?

What do you think about the statements made by the C's and what are your theories regarding "Once one is aware, all conforms to the awareness"


Again like I said I'm probably completely off or maybe my 3rd density comprehension just cant grasp something of a higher density.

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A: Picture this: you have 7 sizes of marbles. You have 7 widths of slots. Where do the marbles "fit in?"

Q: Do the marbles represent units of consciousness?
A: Close. Or, divisions of consciousness level energy resonance profiles.

Q: Do these divisions of consciousness grow and change?
A: Yes.

Q: And they grow and change through acquiring knowledge, is that correct?
A: Basically.

Q: And acquiring knowledge is akin to acquiring energy? Or light? Light energy?
A: Not exactly. That would be like saying that "filling up" at the gas station is akin to acquiring speed.

Q: So, knowledge and light are like the gas for the car, but speed comes from utilization?
A: Yes.

Q: And utilization means...
A: Knowledge application which generates energy, which, in turn, generates light.

Q: Do the marbles move from one slot to another?
A: When and only when, they have acquired the proper fit.

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Let's say you're in the 3rd grade.  You learn what is needed to pass.  So you go to the forth grade and everything around is now forth grade level.  The classroom is different, the lessons are different, the teacher is different, etc.  All has then conformed to your awareness.

3 Reply by Auscastian (edited by Auscastian 2007-11-07 19:54:38)

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Re: Confusing Concept

I'm sorry z3n3rg but I'm not seeing how this correlates. sad

Did I just completely mis-interpret what was said by the C's?

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Re: Confusing Concept

Once one becomes aware, all conforms to that awareness.  Would that be an allusion to that which is beyond the veil? but no mention of the Abyss.  Speaking of seven but not ten.  Oh, here it comes again to the forefront of my attention. The parable of the three room house. 

Look for something good in even a person that you would quickly dismiss as having nothing good within to look for.  Find one thing each day that decides for you it was a good day.  Be implacable in this, or rather be yielding like water which nevertheless flows inexorably.

Excuse me, I'm just trying to add another dimension to the topic. roll

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5 Reply by montalk (edited by montalk 2007-11-07 21:40:46)

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(Auscastian, I changed the color of your text to blue instead of gold ... the default forum style made the yellow difficult to see).

Auscastian wrote:

Just the other day I came across a section of the Cass. Material which really made me stop and think about the reality which we find ourselves in, and it's got me stumped!

Like z3n3rg was saying, when your awareness changes, your experiential reality changes. This is similar but different to the New Age "you create your own reality" (YCYOR) concept. YCYOR says that your subjectively chosen beliefs determine your reality. The C's say instead that your direction of learning and level of awareness are what shape your reality. To me that is self-evident from experience. This concept of how consciousness influences reality is relatively more accurate than YCYOR and hinges on an objective rather than subjective qualifier (your readiness rather than your wishful thinking). Like the marbles of different sizes falling into correspondingly sized slots, you fall into different slots of experiential themes that best fit your learning path and place along that path.

The bigger implication is that as far as end-times events are concerned, their timing depends on the readiness of the people that will be going through them. So this does away with the idea that we are helpless victims strapped to the tracks of an oncoming train. Rather, there is a curriculum customized to our individual level of conscious development. What goes on inside me affects what goes on outside me. When there are new developments within, there are new developments outside. When my inner progress pauses, external progress also pauses. The world rotates around me and around everyone else too, individually. But somehow it all coordinates into a common reality, like pieces of a mosaic coordinating into a unified image. But your piece of the mosaic changes when you change.

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6 Reply by aNDRE dILOn (edited by aNDRE dILOn 2007-11-08 00:14:27)

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Re: Confusing Concept

Auscastian:

Great thread man. My short answer to you is that I don't know.

"If that is the case, then what that would imply is that every other individual is but a reflection of themselves being projected into your reality from their base reality."

Can you please expound on the idea base reality. I believe that what you're saying could be correct. It's funny, my mom called me the other day and said with a very serious tone: "Andre, I'm really starting to see that everyone in my life is a mirror for me." 

For a long time, I felt that multiple mes and yous existed, but I didn't know how to explain it, and I kind of just forgot about it. Now, because of this thread, those old feelings are resurfacing. 

"And if were all but reflections projecting into others' realities then the real purpose of anyone and anything that occurs in your life is to "learn" from it. "

Nicely put.



This really does bug me though because what you're saying feels true, but, I still can't my head around it.

Are these reflections of myself that show up in other people's base reality just matrix projections? Is my base reality the only reality where my "soul" is, or is my consciousness spread across all the other alternate realites?   



Anyway, In my opinion, I think you did a good job in attempting to decipher that section of cass material.

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Re: Confusing Concept

Auscastian wrote:

I'm sorry z3n3rg but I'm not seeing how this correlates. sad

Did I just completely mis-interpret what was said by the C's?

I can't answer that question.  I can only offer my understanding.

"Once one is aware, ALL conforms to that awareness"

"Once someone is aware, ALL (that someone experiences) conforms to that awareness.

Let's say you are in that 3rd grade class and you just finished your lessons.  All others in the class do not suddenly graduate with you.  You graduate and move to another classroom.

If you throw some soil on a sifter, the big chunks will stay on top and the finer pieces will fall through.  From the big chunks perspective nothing has changed except the finer pieces are gone.  They aren't aware of the sifter (Realm Border Crossing).

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Which denotes that this is a consensus reality.

I'm not saying you are wrong in the idea you have because I don't know.  This is just my understanding.

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montalk wrote:

The bigger implication is that as far as end-times events are concerned, their timing depends on the readiness of the people that will be going through them. So this does away with the idea that we are helpless victims strapped to the tracks of an oncoming train. Rather, there is a curriculum customized to our individual level of conscious development. What goes on inside me affects what goes on outside me. When there are new developments within, there are new developments outside. When my inner progress pauses, external progress also pauses. The world rotates around me and around everyone else too, individually. But somehow it all coordinates into a common reality, like pieces of a mosaic coordinating into a unified image. But your piece of the mosaic changes when you change.

I find this rather interesting and it makes me wonder just how can a specific "time-frame" then be given for such an event regarding "end-times"?
The C's have stated the realm border crossing would occur 18 years from 94' but they have also stated that "time" as we reference it is NEVER definite. But if it depends on the individuals level of awareness which will bring across this event how can a time-frame then be given?  It seems to me that there are a lot of contradicting statements made by the C's or I'm just not comprehending correctly? Such as the entire planet, and this sector of space/time is undergoing a shift in awareness to 4th density, yet there are still people who will be totally unaware of this event and still find themselves on a 3rd density planet earth with a possible cataclysmic outcome?
How would this be so if this entire sector is undergoing this shift, which in its context sounds something like a mass event, yet that isn't what it is going to be like?

aNDRE dILOn wrote:

Can you please expound on the idea base reality. I believe that what you're saying could be correct. It's funny, my mom called me the other day and said with a very serious tone: "Andre, I'm really starting to see that everyone in my life is a mirror for me."

The whole idea is very complex and I'm not sure my verbiage would be able to properly give the idea its due.  I looked at base reality as an interconnecting network of self which exist throughout multiple realities. You have your "base reality" which would be your conscious you of the now, then the many multiple you's that are being projected/perceived by other people within "their" realities.  But you have to keep in mind, if you have interconnecting networks of realities so must every other individual which somehow all correlate together to give each individual their due of soul development. Simply mind-boggling how this all must "really" work. I can't even begin to imagine.

This could be the case, or in-fact we are within realities we aren't exactly perceiving since were right here in the now of this one.  I guess this can be explained somewhat of the idea that Robert Bruce has conveyed in his book Astral Dynamics (which I'm not entirely sure what his exact statement is) about how when he would project and find himself in another body which seemed to be moving and operating independently of his consciousness until his arrival in that body. I've had similar experiences where I've woken up in another body which seemed to have been going about its business until I decided to play that "game" for a change.

This idea really makes me think of the movie The 13th Floor. If you haven't seen it you should check it out.

aNDRE dILOn wrote:

Are these reflections of myself that show up in other people's base reality just matrix projections? Is my base reality the only reality where my "soul" is, or is my consciousness spread across all the other alternate realites?

I ponder this exact same question.  But if in the grand scheme of things, we are just mental projections of higher self, higher self could have its hands in multiple different realities which us here would not be aware of since Higher Self is the one who is really playing the game(s).  Its also been stated by the C's that in another reality we are Preying Mantis beings. So we must have some sort of consciousness spread out across many different dimensions of reality.
What I wonder though is if they are all only aware of a 3rd density existence? Or are many different parts of "our-selves" laid out across the 7 different levels of density? I guess if you look at the C's transmission with Laura-Knight and they are them in the future then we must be laid out across the 7 levels.

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Alright this is off topic but I didn't want to make a new one so Ill just add it here. 

I had a lucid dream the other day where I found myself at the bottom of my stair-case looking up and I demanded that I speak with "myself". From the door on the right at the top of the stair case a figure came out, a person which was not me at least not the one I'm currently aware of and I asked this person "Why am I here? What is my reason for being here?!" and the response I got was:

"You are here to punish yourself"

I didn't know and still dont know how to react to that experience, anyone have any ideas?

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Re: Confusing Concept

I had a small sync yesterday with your thread... a few seconds before I got to the part of your write up that mentioned Tom Cruise in that movie - this lame kanye west song that was playing at work said something about 'I'm like Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky' - I wasn't really listening to the music but that line grabbed my attention and right afterwards I got to that part of your post.  Thought it was sorta funny. 

I like your take on this, and think it seems like a better, more accountable way to perceive the things around us, and view the perceptions of others.  I also really like the direction that Montalk (and z3n3rgy) took it with the stuff about reality creation from subjectively chosen beliefs vs creation from readiness/awareness.  That makes great sense when I think about what I see happening in my own little reality over here.

Not to derail this, it's not really related but I woke up this morning with a pretty large scar on the knuckle of my right index finger. I'm positive it wasn't there before... seems strange and unexplainable.  I had a funny passing thought about timelines and 'oh maybe I hurt my finger in some other reality last night'.  Okay that doesn't quite fit here but I wanted to throw it in somewhere, heh.

Anyway, good post!

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Auscastian wrote:

How would this be so if this entire sector is undergoing this shift, which in its context sounds something like a mass event, yet that isn't what it is going to be like?

If I may?  I'm sure Montalk can provide a more robust answer but I'd like to help clarify.  The concept is a mass event but will be experienced by the individual depending on the awareness of the individual.  To some the event may be cataclysmic in physical terms.  To others the event may be transcendent.  4d exists right here, right now.  It's not coming as it is already here.  The event doesn't change 3d to 4d.  It changes the individual consciousness to 4d if the individual is ready.  3d will still exist in this sector.

The shift is in the awareness of the conscious entities within this sector not the actual density makeup of the sector.  If it were changing the actual standing structure from 3d to 4d then 4d entities would be unable to operate here.  We would not have energy bodies either because those are 4d.

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A: You are energy. There is an energy that comes from the soul and body connection; later the body is used for parts.
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We are 3d, 4d, and 5d right now.  This portion of our conscious awareness, that's reading and typing here, is honed in on this space/time sector of 3d at the moment.

At the same time however, these 3d bodies are re-evolving to be able to exist in a higher frequency band.  This too is according to awareness though.  If one is not ready then it will not happen.  So in that sense, from going by what the C's said, we will be able to take the body along for the ride.  And in that sense, part of 3d (beyond simply awareness) is changing to 4d and will cease to exist in 3d.  But still, the actual density structure of the space/time sector remains intact.

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A: DNA changes.

Q: (L) And what is the source of these DNA changes?
A: Moving to 4th density.
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Q: (L) Are there other parts of us in all realms doing other things at this moment?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And how is this going to be affected by the realm border crossing?
A: Will merge.

Q: (L) Do we need to do extensive hypnosis to bring these aspects of ourselves up and deal with these things a little at a time?
A: Will happen involuntarily. Will be like a thermonuclear blast.
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But if one is not ready there will be no effect.  Just as if someone is not ready to graduate the 3rd grade then they will not experience the 4th grade yet.

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Q: (L) So, if you are meant to transform, you will, if you are not you won't?
A: Yes.
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Prances Fences wrote:

I had a small sync yesterday with your thread... a few seconds before I got to the part of your write up that mentioned Tom Cruise in that movie - this lame kanye west song that was playing at work said something about 'I'm like Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky' - I wasn't really listening to the music but that line grabbed my attention and right afterwards I got to that part of your post.  Thought it was sorta funny.

I find it fascinating how one small choice made by one individual can cause synhcronistic events for another! smile

Prances Fences wrote:

I like your take on this, and think it seems like a better, more accountable way to perceive the things around us, and view the perceptions of others.

Unfortunately I don't think any of us can be completely sure here in 3rd.  All I think we can do is network and bounce ideas off each other and try and get to the one idea which seems to resonate with most. Because I think, which is again in theory that rooted deep in our consciousness is the "real" truth about our reality and our objective is to "remember". And in those instances where we think to ourselves or we get that "feeling"  'oh, that somehow, strangely enough sounds/feels correct' then we are on the right path.

z3n3rg wrote:

If I may?  I'm sure Montalk can provide a more robust answer but I'd like to help clarify.

Thank's Z3nerg for clarifying a bit.  For some reason I was having a difficult time comprehending what was being said.

While reading your post I had an image pop into my head.  I imagined myself being an individuated point of consciousness which was rooted in the middle of a vast light which was as infinite as space itself.  The light was then covered by images "illusions" which would be our perception of reality here in 3rd.  Somewhat immobile at this point, but from our perceptions since we are unaware of being immobile we are able to interact with the images and traverse its landscapes which gives us the illusion of time which time itself seems to be the thing that has us trapped here. So that would mean going from point A to point B is an illusion. What would then have to be remembered is there is no distance between point A and point B. They are in the exact same location since we are in reality "immobile" only because it is our consciousness projecting these images and it is our consciousness that projects the illusion of a physical body interacting with them.

What I'm getting at here is all of our surroundings, all of our perceptions of traveling and going here and there are not really happening, but are "really" happening on one point in space/time but we have the "illusion" that we are "moving".  And based upon our awareness and the choices we make through this awareness within dictates the form our reality shapes without hence the more we become aware the more the images, "illusions" become more fluid, eventually becoming null and void because they wont be needed anymore. Eventually returning to the vast light where our individuated point of consciousness will be re-united with the creator at 7th level.

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Auscastian wrote:

What I'm getting at here is all of our surroundings, all of our perceptions of traveling and going here and there are not really happening, but are "really" happening on one point in space/time but we have the "illusion" that we are "moving".  And based upon our awareness and the choices we make through this awareness within dictates the form our reality shapes without hence the more we become aware the more the images, "illusions" become more fluid, eventually becoming null and void because they wont be needed anymore. Eventually returning to the vast light where our individuated point of consciousness will be re-united with the creator at 7th level.

From that top down perspective I agree.  Change the perspective and you change the view.

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A: The gravity wave is merely a "ripple" in the omnipresent fabric; the base energy facilitator.
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We are the omnipresent fabric at our core.

My favorite Cass quote has to be...

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A: Now, contemplate for a moment. Each soul is all powerful and can create or destroy all existence if know how. You and us and all others are interconnected by our mutual possession of all there is. You may create alternative universes if you wish and dwell within. You are all a duplicate of the universe within which you dwell. Your mind represents all that exists. It is "fun" to see how much you can access.
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At the same time, it is also true (from what the Cs state) that we are experiencing a consensus reality where there are certain stuctures in place that facilitate learning.  Ultimately, the structure is an illusion but since we operate a vehicle within that structure we experience that illusion as real.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't personally think that everyone around me is merely a reflection when not speaking from a 7th level perspective.  If you decided to kill me that would indeed end my incarnation from both our perspectives.

At least, that's the way I understand it.

13 Reply by Auscastian (edited by Auscastian 2007-11-08 14:58:00)

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z3n3rg wrote:

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't personally think that everyone around me is merely a reflection when not speaking from a 7th level perspective.  If you decided to kill me that would indeed end my incarnation from both our perspectives.

At least, that's the way I understand it.

True, but if you look at it from the perspective that if your "base" incarnation were to die then your network would crash. But then that leaves the question what about the "you's" that exist as other beings? What happens to them?

Im sure its much more complex than this though. lol

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Auscastian wrote:

The C's have stated the realm border crossing would occur 18 years from 94' but they have also stated that "time" as we reference it is NEVER definite. But if it depends on the individuals level of awareness which will bring across this event how can a time-frame then be given?

Good question, and it boils down to the idea that timing is variable within definite windows. Like the time you board a train versus the time it is scheduled to leave. Or better yet, multiple versions of the same train all leaving at different times, but arriving at the same time. There is a window of opportunity with a deadline, but the actual events within that window shift around.

Auscastian wrote:

Such as the entire planet, and this sector of space/time is undergoing a shift in awareness to 4th density, yet there are still people who will be totally unaware of this event and still find themselves on a 3rd density planet earth with a possible cataclysmic outcome?

It would probably involve a sequence of splits. First a split where people go their separate ways in life. Then a split where groups branch onto different timelines. Then a split where certain timelines merge into 4D while others continue for a short while in 3D before getting recycled to the beginning of the 3D timeloop. The idea proposed in the transcripts is that 3D earth eventually recycles while 4D goes on.

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Auscastian wrote:

True, but if you look at it from the perspective that if your "base" incarnation were to die then your network would crash. But then that leaves the question what about the "you's" that exist as other beings? What happens to them?

Maybe the base reality just changes focal points.  "You" would instantly quantum leap to another "you" in another reality.  Each node on the network would need the ability to take on the role of central server.

It's a cool idea.  I might just have to check that universe out after you create it.