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Or maybe racial superiority is a corrupted version of metaphysical truth.
I can't prove that it is animal group soul extensions in some of these vacant people, only that there are many people who are missing something critical within them despite nevertheless having some type of animating energy. The animal/plant group soul explanation makes the most sense to me as it takes more things into account than any other explanation I've come across. It correlates both with the Cass info and what Mouravieff, Gurdjieff, and Ouspensky wrote regarding man and animal's place in the cosmic scheme of things. If pets can get an evolutionary boost by being energized by the 3D energy of their loving owners, then the same could be true for animals and mankind at large...only, since mankind and animals don't have full contact with each other all the time, organic portals provide the perfect bridge through which the energy transfer can happen. But if they are so open in their function as portals, then they are susceptible to being animated and siphoned by 4D instead of 2D, which is why they are described as common pawns of the MCS. Maybe this doesn't jive with you, but it makes sense to me. I'll adopt a better explanation when it comes my way. There are other possibilities worth examining.

This is kinda off-topic and better suited for an OP thread like this one:

http://www.montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=152  -- see you there, if any of you wish to discuss the OP subject further.

Acquiring fringe knowledge is like digging for diamonds in a mine field.

32 (edited by wandering1 2004-09-24 00:53:49)

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If you want to learn more about the Cassiopaean's then one way is to look at the transcripts directly. 

A link to them is posted here: http://www.montalk.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=502

They say that they a unified group of entities who can be described as "6th density service to others."

There is a big difference between the words that were transcribed as being from these "6th density" entities and the research that Laura Knight-Jadczyk did on her own.

The Cassiopaens's (or C's) say that they live in a realm that is beyond time.  They say they have transcended past, present, and future.  They say that they are indeed Laura Knight-Jadcyzk's self in the future, and possibly the future self of many other people as well.

The transcripts that I know of range from 1994-2002.  My understanding is that there is no charge to read them online or download them.  I think that a donation is allowed, but is not required.

The C's were quite specific in many of the events that they described.  They also included specific years or time ranges in what they communicated.  I think that we will know within 1 or 2 or 3 years whether the initial stages of the general scenario that they describe is unfolding on this planet- at least we will have an indication of  whether the time frame that they presented is correct.

I think that it won't be long before many people can clearly feel the increasing speed of the roller coster that we may be on.

Let's see if we can enjoy the ride!

Hold on or let go!  Whatever you like!!

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thoth wrote:

Thanks. Found it after a little searching around. Very interesting, but I don't buy the concept at all. It seems to me to be almost a spiritualized version of racial superiority. The idea that plant and animal group souls incarnate into human bodies in order to keep us in line with the Matrix Control System is way off base, IMO.



Well, no more offbase than the belief in "Martian Aryan Reptilians" and ancient civilizations that nobody has ANY definitive proof for, and never will.  wink   Really, it's no more offbase than that I would think.    But we're all entitled to our beliefs and opinions.

The *concept* of OP's is a valid one --  Even if a person disagrees as to the nature of exactly who and what is comprising the "souls" of these psychopaths and all those who act empty and soulless, the fact is, most of us here have seen that these types exist.  So again, you might disagree as to who / what they actually are, but the fact is, they are there.   We've interacted with them.   We've worked with them at our jobs.   We sometimes have them in our own families.    We watch as they dominate our planet and drive it into the ground with their warring and greed.    They are there, and nobody can argue that.   The only thing that's left open for debate is whether or not they really are the product of an animal group soul incarnating into human form.   To be honest, I'm not sure I fully believe that explanation.   But I know they are there, and by learning about their existance and their behaviors, it helps prepare me for when I encounter them in "the real world."   

Doesn't mean I go around labeling people as "OP";   to be honest, that's not a phrase I ever use in my day to day life, nor something I think about in my mind when I'm up against somebody acting nutty.    I just have a general thought that I'm dealing with somebody nutty and illogical, who doesn't act like a typical person acts, (they have something "missing")  and then I just automatically adjust my reactions. 

I recommend that everybody read up on OP's.   Because even if OP's aren't animal group souls, or whatever the C's claim, it doesn't change the fact that those that fit that description do exist in this world....and that you will eventually find yourself interacting with them, if you haven't already.   Better to have an understanding of their textbook behavior than to find yourself unprepared and feeding them with your energy.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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34 (edited by thoth 2004-09-24 13:13:07)

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lyra wrote:

The *concept* of OP's is a valid one --  Even if a person disagrees as to the nature of exactly who and what is comprising the "souls" of these psychopaths and all those who act empty and soulless, the fact is, most of us here have seen that these types exist.  So again, you might disagree as to who / what they actually are, but the fact is, they are there.   We've interacted with them.   We've worked with them at our jobs.   We sometimes have them in our own families.    We watch as they dominate our planet and drive it into the ground with their warring and greed.    They are there, and nobody can argue that.

Sure those types of people exist, but I don't feel the need to pass the buck of such behavior (which IMO is done by humans who have lost ALL sense of connection to their higher nature, and are completely caught up in the "dream" of physical reality and all of its inherent fears, insecurities, sense of isolation, hopelessness, purposelessness, predation, etc) on to other beings that have nothing to do with it.

And then of course there are those humans whose actions have been colored by external suggestions and programming, whether it be from usage of mind-control technologies by other humans (including obvious, everyday ones, such as TV), or by direct communication with non-physical entities (i.e. Hitler, Crowley).

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What is an organic portal?--think George Bush.  Isn't there just something *missing* at the soul level there?  big_smile

At the same time I would agree that humans, souled or not,  have done a poor job of connecting with the higher selves.  We are all STS still and there is a huge elaborate matrix out there that seems dead set on keeping us all in that state.  Understanding OP's is only part of the solution, and I am beginning to feel empathy for their situation.  In a sense their souls are like infants trying to be born and the PTB have coopted them for their own uses.  Its sick!  Its like kidnapping and torturing babies, except on the soul level!  Although I could be wrong....

As for the C's being a cult:
1) I haven't ever met Laura, so I can't say anything on that issue.
2) Their website does not seem to have any evidence of that.  They stress that the channeling is an 'experiment' and that they themselves are ready to admit that it may be corrupted.
3) I am not part of the QFS (Quantum Future School), so I can't say anything about that aspect.
4) I have been hovering around Casschat, their other group, for a while.  The focus in that group seems to be on self development Guerdieff-style (probably butchered the spelling on that smile )
5) The Signs of the Times, although depressing, does not really encourage cultish behavior.

As for the accuracy of the material:
1) I'll take the members opinion here, who were witnesses, in that it sounds like the channelling was not  deliberately fabricated.
2) Laura, et all, DOES ADMIT there is a possibility of hyperdimentional contamination.
3) In the transcripts themselves, the C's claim that any of the earlier sessions in which the C's 'name' does not  end in 'a' or an 'a' sound was contaminated.
4) Laura does need to work on her writing.  She does not cite her sources enough and needs to make her work more concise.  However, she does seem to be honestly trying to seek the truth and has put in a LOT of effort in that direction.

I take the material as a working hypothesis and go from there.

Thanks,
Kathy

Never Give Up!

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thoth wrote:

Sure those types of people exist, but I don't feel the need to pass the buck of such behavior (which IMO is done by humans who have lost ALL sense of connection to their higher nature, and are completely caught up in the "dream" of physical reality and all of its inherent fears, insecurities, sense of isolation, hopelessness, purposelessness, predation, etc) on to other beings that have nothing to do with it.

?   Not exactly sure what you're trying to say here.   Could you make your point more clear?


thoth wrote:

And then of course there are those humans whose actions have been colored by external suggestions and programming, whether it be from usage of mind-control technologies by other humans (including obvious, everyday ones, such as TV), or by direct communication with non-physical entities (i.e. Hitler, Crowley).


Right.   Soooo....whatever the reason is for their nutty behavior, whether it be "colored by external suggestions", or "direct communications with non-physical entities"....or being an OP.... the bottom line is........How Do You Plan To React To Them When They're Standing In Front of You In The Real World?

If you've gleaned knowledge about psychopathic behavior through the articles on OP's, or maybe in your own independent research and experience, then you're better equipped to go up against nutty people.   You will not react the way a non-equipped person would.    You'll be less likely to get angry, frustrated, engage in round and round pointless arguing......because you've researched the issue of OP's and psychopaths, saw the outline of their textbook behavior and now have a lightbulb going off over your head.   "Ahhh!  I read about this!  I see exactly what is going on here!"   

Again, the exact nature of OP's is still a little uncertain.   I can't argue you on that point about whether they're animal souls in a human body.   Who knows.   All we do know for certain is A:   We're surrounded by psychopathic acting people in this world and people who are empty and missing some crucial elements that make them seem human;   B: These people, whatever the excuse is for their nutty behavior, typically act in a predictable, textbook way.    So C:   For that reason, it's beneficial to read up on the subject of OP's and psychopaths.   It can't hurt.   It will only give a person the upper hand and deeper insight.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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lyra wrote:

? Not exactly sure what you're trying to say here.   Could you make your point more clear?

I don't think so ;-P

Okay. I'm trying to suggest that these OP's are just humans like the rest of us, and have a soul like the rest of us, but merely that their heads are so far up their asses that they no longer recognize this and act and behave in ways which are purely 3rd density survival related. Thus, while they appear souless, they aren't. They are just extremely disconnected.

thoth wrote:

Right.   Soooo....whatever the reason is for their nutty behavior, whether it be "colored by external suggestions", or "direct communications with non-physical entities"....or being an OP.... the bottom line is........How Do You Plan To React To Them When They're Standing In Front of You In The Real World?

Depends on the situation and on my mood. There is no right or wrong way. A lot of the time, I will simply go and stand someplace else or ignore them. If I'm feeling feisty, I poke fun at them. I try and keep my sense of humor in focus and operational at all times. I find this a wonderful tool for maintaining perspective, and it aids one in not getting bogged down in petty power struggles. These type of people hate having fun poked at them, because they carry around very big egos whilst remaining extremely insecure (it sounds paradoxical, but it's provably the case). They get their thrills from dragging you into power struggles and name calling. They don't like it when they can't do that, and they WILL try. What's that quote? Something like: "You can't argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you into submission with years of experience."

lyra wrote:

Again, the exact nature of OP's is still a little uncertain.   I can't argue you on that point about whether they're animal souls in a human body.   Who knows.   All we do know for certain is A:   We're surrounded by psychopathic acting people in this world and people who are empty and missing some crucial elements that make them seem human

Yeah, but take a look at the operational mentality at work in the world today. This is a world where our leaders--the very people who are supposed to be acting in our best interests with integrity and honesty--lie and mislead to pull other nations into wars, killing thousands of innocent men, women, and children, all in the name of gaining control of oil reserves whilst saying that "we are just bringing democracy to the region." This is a world where religions, which should assist in waking people up to their spiritual natures and their connection to All That Is, simply acts to shut down people's better instincts and cause even more division and separation. We exist within a constant barrage of media bullshit. I noticed in one posting you made mention of the fact that you don't have a TV? Kudos to you for that, because that's one less source of bullshit (and a f*cking big source at that) for you to have to deal with. But many people do have a TV, and spend a great deal of their lives sat in front of it. And these are just a few examples. Compound into that our built-in physical needs to survive and reproduce, and our desires to live a healthy and reasonably comfortable life in a world that is so totally out of control. Is it any wonder that people are so confused and so disconnected?

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wandering1 wrote:

There is a big difference between the words that were transcribed as being from these "6th density" entities and the research that Laura Knight-Jadczyk did on her own.

I am in the process of reading through these sessions, and they are a lot better than LKJ's other work which I had previously looked at (which I still view as total bunk). LKJ just doesn't strike me as a very intellectual sort, so it doesn't surprise me that even the C's sometimes express bemusement at her inability to grasp certain concepts. But, yes, definitely more interesting if still a little unclear/vague at times. I will keep reading them and post again later.

39 (edited by seeker 2004-09-24 19:51:37)

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I had a personal spiritual experience a few years ago when I stumbled upon the C channelings, which can only be described as an "awakening." I resonated with the material in a way that confirmed that at least some things they were saying were true.

Around 2002, however, after the channeling ended, I noticed a huge change in the writing style of Laura K-J. I don't know how to describe it except that she seemed to have an agenda. I also attempted to check out the 'CassChat' Yahoo group, which is focused on discussion of the concepts from the C transscripts, but had a very hard time adjusting to the vibe there. The mindset there is so parochial that if you mention anything outside their viewpoint you're cast out like a leper. I posted about a topic from the Ra channelings and was accused of being Vincent Bridges in disguise, trying to disrupt the discussion. LOL! I couldn't believe it. I thought these people were open to dicovering the truth, but it seems like they've decided that they already know the truth, and you shouldn't dare challenge it!

And this is my current opinion about the entire Casspaean 'fan base.' It may not exactly be a cult, but they take the C channelings as gospel, and have formed a very narrow view of reality, in my opinion. It's NOT an environment conducive to open-minded discussion of reality. It's very different from a forum such as this where we have people from all sorts of backgrounds, beliefs, and attitudes, and yet we're all in search of a greater truth and we feed off each other's contributions without insult or mockery. Truly an STO learning environment, if I've ever seen one.

For the record, I still resonate strongly with the C channelings, but I find the Cassiopaean web site in general to be a distraction, so I avoid it nowadays.

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seeker wrote:

I couldn't believe it. I thought these people were open to dicovering the truth, but it seems like they've decided that they already know the truth, and you shouldn't dare challenge it!

I've noticed that this is often a pattern whenever higher level information is given to humans. Instead of this information actually inspiring us to become more aware, and to ask more questions, and to become more involved, it usually ends up having quite the opposite effect. The material becomes gospel, and anyone who questions the official interpretation of it is immediately ostracized. I am often reminded of just how much of a child race we humans really are. I admit that sometimes this is very depressing to me, because it seems to have been this way for a very long time already. As Bill Hicks would say, "Time to evolve, folks."

seeker wrote:

And this is my current opinion about the entire Casspaean 'fan base.' It may not exactly be a cult, but they take the C channelings as gospel, and have formed a very narrow view of reality, in my opinion. It's NOT an environment conducive to open-minded discussion of reality. It's very different from a forum such as this where we have people from all sorts of backgrounds, beliefs, and attitudes, and yet we're all in search of a greater truth and we feed off each other's contributions without insult or mockery. Truly an STO learning environment, if I've ever seen one.

Amen to that.

seeker wrote:

For the record, I still resonate strongly with the C channelings, but I find the Cassiopaean web site in general to be a distraction, so I avoid it nowadays.

I think I will do likewise. Cheers!

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thoth wrote:
lyra wrote:

The C's aren't aliens.

But they would, by definition, be non-human.


yeah, maybe you'll be something other than a human some day too...with any luck.

Balor

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Balor,
That sounded like an insult.  I hope you can find something constructive to say to this group.
Kathy

Never Give Up!

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Balor wrote:
thoth wrote:
lyra wrote:

The C's aren't aliens.

But they would, by definition, be non-human.


yeah, maybe you'll be something other than a human some day too...with any luck.

Balor

HA!

Never Give Up!

44 (edited by lyra 2004-10-26 10:13:29)

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Oh Balor Balor Balor....you do realize that everytime one of you come over here to post that you just succeed in shooting yourselves in the foot?

Interesting that it was okay for Laura and Ark and the Cass group to publicly slam Montalk and anybody associated with him, but god forbid anybody should turn the microscope back around on them.  wink  They can't handle it.  Watch the heads start rolling and the tears of indignation start flowing!  big_smile

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit ... what a ride!"  - Anonymous
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45 (edited by Neomatrix 2004-10-26 12:55:27)

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Balor wrote:
thoth (Neomatrix) wrote:
lyra wrote:

The C's aren't aliens.

But they would, by definition, be non-human.


yeah, maybe you'll be something other than a human some day too...with any luck.

Balor

Gee, Balor. I suppose I should be insulted? Nice try, I guess. The day uninspired comments like this manages to provoke any kind of response from me other than a bored yawn is the day I sign up to Casschat.

"Fear is the great barrier to human growth. Unknowns create fears. When these Unknowns become Knowns the fears diminish and disappear, and we are able to cope with whatever confronts us." - Robert A. Monroe