Topic: UF student Tasered at a Kerry Forum

Don't know what to think of this.  It kind of fits in with what is discussed here.  While speaking at a Kerry public forum, a University of Florida student mildly resists arrest for an unnamed offense and then is tasered by 6 cops.  The cops grab him right when the student asks Kerry if he is a member of the Skull and Bones.   Some say its more evidence of a coming police state, I think maybe it is just opening our eyes to the way things have been. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

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Rule of thumb:

Once an arrest has been initiated by the police for whatever reason, fair or unfair, do not resist the arrest for your own benefit.

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PhiConcept wrote:

Once an arrest has been initiated by the police for whatever reason, fair or unfair, do not resist the arrest for your own benefit.

Generally that may be good advice, but I suspect the time is fast approaching where people will be forced to say "NO, I will NOT go quietly to the concentration camp."

This kid was arrested for asking a verboten question, for thinking un-German thoughts.      Asking a politically incorrect question like that is NOT against the law in the United States, so the fact that he was arrested for it is prima facie evidence that we are now under totalitarian rule (as if we needed any more evidence to demonstrate that fact!)   

Morally speaking, the kid in this video had every right to resist the arrest, as he did.  It obviously may not have been the best decision from an immediate practical standpoint, because getting tasered is no fun.  Hopefully, one result of this video will be that many people who see it might start thinking for the first time about how far gone things are today.   

The cops who arrested this boy are paid and trained to know what the law is, and have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution which they are knowingly violating.  And they're doing so just to ensure that the regularly-scheduled direct-deposit of their salary into their bank account is not interrupted.    They are no better than goons-for-hire.

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/ugly/naziSoldiersBrutalizeJewInPoland.jpg
                                                  German soldiers brutalizing a Jew in Poland

4 (edited by Namaste 2007-09-19 17:23:03)

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For me this is the last straw. If there isn't a visible revolutionary movement to take back the Republic soon, I'm packing my bags. If I don't draw the line now, then when? When they start frying protesters with their new microwave torture beam?

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morningsun76 wrote:
PhiConcept wrote:

Once an arrest has been initiated by the police for whatever reason, fair or unfair, do not resist the arrest for your own benefit.

Generally that may be good advice, but I suspect the time is fast approaching where people will be forced to say "NO, I will NOT go quietly to the concentration camp."

You are illustrating a totally different scenario here.  The kid could have approached the same type of questions in a calm manner without automatically charging senator John Kerry with forcing speculative tone of voice towards the senator.

morningsun76 wrote:

This kid was arrested for asking a verboten question, for thinking un-German thoughts.      Asking a politically incorrect question like that is NOT against the law in the United States, so the fact that he was arrested for it is prima facie evidence that we are now under totalitarian rule (as if we needed any more evidence to demonstrate that fact!)

Morally speaking, the kid in this video had every right to resist the arrest, as he did.  It obviously may not have been the best decision from an immediate practical standpoint, because getting tasered is no fun.  Hopefully, one result of this video will be that many people who see it might start thinking for the first time about how far gone things are today.

As you will notice around 0:17 senator Kerry was willing to answer the question.  It was the kid's impulse based on obsession with secret societies that made him resist the initial arrest which could easily have been avoided, had he remained calm and have the senator contain the situation by answering the question.  It seems that it was more important for the kid to resist the arrest, yet he was well aware that it was being filmed and would most likely be used as evidence for his benefit.

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Very well-said morningsun.

Also, pretty unthinkably, Kerry did not speak to stop them from tasering the boy.  Instead, he casually answered (deflected) the question, as the one who posed it was being tasered.

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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This event really troubles me as well.   Based on what I know that he spoke out of turn, over the time limit, etc. it wasn't unreasonable that somebody would escort him away from the speaking area but the use of physical force and then tasering seems very over the top to me.    I saw some talking head on CNN talking about this and one woman was referring to the tasering saying "Ouchie!"....uh, from what I can tell the pain from a taser is equivalent to torture it's no "ouchie" and why are police allowed to use these in situations where their training should easily allow them to subdue someone?    It's not only the incident but the reaction in the MSM to it that makes me despair.    There was another incident of a university student being tasered about a year ago because they wouldn't go quietly from somewhere the police didn't want them to be.    What is this world becoming?

8 (edited by morningsun76 2007-09-20 18:11:18)

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I'm just looking at another version of the video, which shows more of the context than I saw the first time in a different video.   The boy here was definitely lacking in self-control and should have given up the microphone much sooner.   But he obviously had some knowledge that most people don't have regarding Bush & Kerry's Skull & Bones affiliation and the total rigging of our election system, so it's really no surprise this kid was upset and wanted to say something.  The audience applauded his arrest based on his unacceptable behavior, not on the subject matter of his question.    And many of the members of that audience -- including internet viewers -- may now subconsciously associate his behavior with his question, and tend to view other truthseekers as loonies themselves.   Who knows, maybe that was the whole point and the entire situation was a setup.   

Edit: As much as I dislike Henry Makow's views on a lot of things, he has an interesting write-up on the idea of this incident being a psy-op.

Either way the taser issue just underscores how totalitarian things have become.   We are now at a place where people must immediately obey all commands from the authorities, otherwise they will be electrocuted.  That is not the kind of world I want to live in.

PhiConcept wrote:

As you will notice around 0:17 senator Kerry was willing to answer the question.

Kerry made an empty claim --  as the kid was being arrested -- that he was willing to answer the question.   He had no intention of giving a straight answer.   He was asked this same question on TV a few years ago, go here to see his answer.

PhiConcept wrote:

It was the kid's impulse based on obsession with secret societies ...

This kid probably just found out recently that both Presidential candidates belonged to the same German Nazi death-cult which has taken over the American government, and was trying to use this opportunity to get some answers.    That's hardly an "obsession with secret societies" as you characterize it.    If anything it was an extremely appropriate question; he just should have approached the situation with more maturity and self-control.

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I don't know if any of you caught this, but you can hear Kerry on the tape saying, "No, no, that's all right--let me answer his question" when the police begin wrestling with the guy.  Of course, Kerry then lets it all happen.  You can't hear him saying, "Leave that man alone!--it's all right, I'll answer his question" after the wrestling begins.

You can't change a tiger's stripes,
but you can avoid its teeth.

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dreamosis wrote:

I don't know if any of you caught this, but you can hear Kerry on the tape saying, "No, no, that's all right--let me answer his question" when the police begin wrestling with the guy.  Of course, Kerry then lets it all happen.  You can't hear him saying, "Leave that man alone!--it's all right, I'll answer his question" after the wrestling begins.

I'm sure that senator Kerry has no power over the authorities wink when an arrest is being conducted in front of him in public.  The oddity of the situation, however, illustrates the powers or (nodes) as montalk has mentioned in another thread, that govern an agenda of the American government.

The guy asked for it in broad daylight, but his 'crazyness' has definately influenced some people who witnessed the whole incident.

11 (edited by Khalil 2007-09-21 00:45:17)

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Talking about police bruitality and over-reaction, has anyone seen this yet?

The rights of Americans slowly being erroded:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/m … mp;forum=1

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/m … mp;forum=1

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Can you cut&paste the contents from one or both of those links?  I won't touch GLP with a hundred-foot pole; I don't need spyware all over my machine.

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first one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCLuYvBeq40

second one:
http://www.wndu.com/videoplus/headlines … d=9794147#

"The unknown does not incite fear, but dependence on the known does." - J. Krishnamurti

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If someone wants to create a peaceful demonstration they have to aquire a permit from the city  authorities.  Without a permit the police has the right to arrest the partakers of the demonstration.  That's probably what happened in the first video.

The second video was quite disturbing.  The policeman probably took whatever was said to him, personally and lost his cool.  It tends to happen more often now adays and the best solution to not get into such situations is to be a moderate, non resistant against authorities in any situation and worry free of all the paranoic (MIS)(DIS) information that surrounds us.  If you are moderate, worry free and at the same time aware of your surroundings then you won't run into situations that involve authorities.

Peace, PhiConcept.

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It's amazing you need a permit to protest againt the actions of the people who actually issue said permit.
Were is the right to peacefull  free assembly and free speech if you need to aquire a permit from the City first?


At 6:05 I thought the lady said it was already or had been permitted, I can't make it out properly.