Re: The Dead Series.

Of course they are going to say any source of information is wrong but their own.  But we can work with that.

Don't the dimensionals find it a bit strange that a "programmed" channel would give information concerning layers of reality beyond Anu's?

The whole idea of the astral constructs was to ensure Anu would be sitting on top.
Giving information concerning something beyond that level would nullify that status Anu sought.
The information given wasn't in the form of looking for a savior.  And they said over and over that "All is One and One is All".
So that couldn't have been the reason.
What is the reason given for such "programmed" channels that put Anu's position at a fairly low level on the existential chart?

122 (edited by kid mongo 2007-09-14 02:58:16)

Re: The Dead Series.

I'm not understanding your questions.
Yes, Anu had been sitting on top of the various layers he created. Anu had deceived the entirety of existence in believing that he was the ultimate power. Only a few in existence had ever stood up for equality, and they were swiftly dealt with. It was only until the portal appeared two years ago that for the very first time that a human had total access to the dimensions, and even then, that the deception of Anu and the White light had been discovered. This particular story is laid out in detail the Hitler articles where where Hitler, as the demon Mykey, relates what he saw during his time in the demon dimension and how the changes occurred in the dimension's precipitated the fall of Anu's White Lighht system

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If you're interested in Mykey's story, here ya go. I suggest you read the entire book, but this chapter gives the details of how the demon dimension first became aware of the interdimensional portal. There is also an explanation about the role of channelers that were controlled by the White Light.


http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/hitler6.htm

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

I do understand all that.

The C's and Ra both talked about levels of existence higher than where Anu was/is.

If these channels were "system constructs" then why would Anu create something that put him at a lower position in existence?

According to such channels, Anu would be at 4th density.  These channels state that there is 5th, 6th and 7th density as well.

These channels did not push a savior mentality.  They did proclaim the same "Oneness and Equality" idea as the current destini series.

Logically speaking, it wouldn't make sense for Anu to create these channels because it nullifies his position as being top dog.

Re: The Dead Series.

Ok, "Jack" said there was no 4th density.  Several of videos stated there was nothing beyond where they were.  But the link you sent says...

"What has confused me about the conversations I had overheard is that the demons or beings who allow themselves access through this opening within this human being on earth - do not return the same as they had been when they first stepped through this opening within this being on earth. They immediately ascended to the higher planes of existence – transformed in an instant, in a moment."

So which is it?  Are there higher planes of existence or not?

Early on they said that the higher planes were just more heaven traps.  But when an entity shows full willingness to make itself available to serve others via the portal, it immediately ascends.  And this is after the "constructs" were removed correct?

Do you see the opposing ideas here?

125 (edited by kid mongo 2007-09-14 08:09:07)

Re: The Dead Series.

They "ascended" or left the demon dimension. Then the demon dimesion was closed off. After that the dimensions were rolled up, deleting all the "levels" that Anu had constructed too keep the dimensionals enslaved. Now, "Heaven" exists inside human beings. There are no "Dimensions" anymore, although they sometimes refer to their enviroment as dimensional.

By the way, Ra, the C's, the Angels, the "Ascended Masters" and so on, are no longer in existence. They were White Light constructs that ceased to exist when the White Light hhad been deleted by the interdimensional portal.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQZDlMeaEU Sacred Geometry Triangle Demon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mDfG6UF2H0 Information Demon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DBRNQSk62k Knowledge Demon Expanded

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

About the C's and Ra;  do you realize you just repeated what had already been stated?

Going by the understanding of what was said in these channels it doesn't make sense for them to be made by Anu and Company, as I explained.  Unless I'm missing something.

One reality that I've had to hold close is that just because something is said, no matter the source, does not make it so.  We are living during a time where huge amounts of disinformation is being promulgated.

In other words, just because this portal says something does not make it the absolute truth.  Using higher level concepts to introduce twists of logic is a known strategy used by forces seeking to control.

A few suggestions though you may wish to give to the entities involved here..

- turn the attitude away from anger at humanity
- question the validity of everything stated
- don't make blanket assumptions about other sources of information
- condense the written portions because the repetition makes it near impossible to maintain focus

I'll take my leave from the thread now.

Re: The Dead Series.

This is a spiritual revolution, so to speak, and Anu is not behind nor backs these messages.

We are all entitled to believe what we want. I guess we will all find out what's really going on in Heaven when we get there, eh?

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

My point was about logic not belief.  Belief and disbelief are unnecessary.  Both are limited.  If you believe something then anything going against that belief has to be thrown out.  If you disbelieve something then anything proving otherwise has to be thrown out.  It's a self created mental box.

My point on how it's an illogical conclusion was very well circumvented by you.  I asked in a round about way if I was missing something and you merely repeated what was previously said.  So the point stands.

I don't plan on going to heaven.  I plan on exploring existence, learning, growing, and assisting where I have the capacity to.

Re: The Dead Series.

A few suggestions though you may wish to give to the entities involved here..

- turn the attitude away from anger at humanity
Anger? Tell me, who else is responsible for this mess we've made of the world? I think laying the onus on humanity is richly deserved, since we are the ones killing this planet and ourselves.

- question the validity of everything stated

Of course. The material presented needs to be validated and testedd. I along with others in the Desteni forums have done this. Otherwise, all you are getting is useless information. You are welcome to test it yourself and see if this presentation is valid or not.

- don't make blanket assumptions about other sources of information

All information is the same: useless unless applied.

- condense the written portions because the repetition makes it near impossible to maintain focus

The material isn't that obtuse. However, the reality that is presented is more than a bit disorientating, since the portal is yurning everything on its head. We are in reverse, son. The world is a festering cheeseburger right about now because we've allowed it to get that way. Who else is responsible? The "systems" are created from points of separation created by the mind consciousness systems (thoughts, feelings and emotions) that we have created. Systems have suppressed our true self-expression and have replaced life in this world. This is the Reader's Digest version of the portal's message.

Carry on.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

131 (edited by z3n3rg 2007-09-15 09:45:35)

Re: The Dead Series.

I do apologize.  I've said twice now that I was done but it looks like I'm not.  I should stop saying that, eh?


- turn the attitude away from anger at humanity
Anger? Tell me, who else is responsible for this mess we've made of the world? I think laying the onus on humanity is richly deserved, since we are the ones killing this planet and ourselves.

First off, anger gets you nowhere especially with humans.  It just sends up all manner of defense mechanisms.  Second, aren't the majority of these entities disincarnate humans?  Don't they remember what it's like to be completely veiled from seeing the higher control system?  As I explained before, humanity is not solely responsible.  Humanity took the bait and continues to do so.  But the bait was not created by humanity.  Humanity didn't create miracles to form religions to keep itself in the dark.  Humanity didn't work outside of space/time to set up power oriented humans to rule over itself.  Humanity didn't set up the false heavens to enslave itself after death.  Should we as incarnate humans be angry at the disincarnate humans for chilling out in their little self created heavens while humanity continued on it's path of destruction?  Should we be angry at the demons for perpetuating negative emotional events in order to feed?  Placing all the blame on humans is simply unrealistic and does not include the many factors that brought us to our current situation. 

(Note:  For those that have added in more layers of reality beyond the astral realms it can be stated that at some level humans did create all this to experience and learn.  However, this particular information base is not taking that into account when stating humanity is fully responsible.)


- question the validity of everything stated
You are welcome to test it yourself and see if this presentation is valid or not.

That's what I'm doing here.  I showed a point that was illogical.  If you can't/won't address it maybe the portal can?  What other means do I have to test besides looking for things that don't fit?


- don't make blanket assumptions about other sources of information
All information is the same: useless unless applied.

That's a non-sequitor from the looks of it.  Beyond that though, isn't it a given that knowledge is useless unless applied?  A doctor doesn't become a doctor from simply going to school.  He has to apply that knowledge for it to be useful.  And just to add a further point to the obvious;  the knowledge gained from applied knowledge is wisdom.


- condense the written portions because the repetition makes it near impossible to maintain focus
The material isn't that obtuse. However, the reality that is presented is more than a bit disorientating, since the portal is yurning everything on its head.

That's not exactly what I meant by repetition.  Here, I'll give an example of what I mean.

"Anu and the Annunaki not having the ability of direct access and participation within earth and human beings as mind consciousness systems as creations of the image and likeness as who and what they are – all their power and control within and as earth and human beings as consciousness systems were lost and of no value to any one of them. All the Annunaki's plans within earth and human beings as total and complete enslavement and control were to no avail, because if they do not have direct access and direct participation within earth and human beings as consciousness systems as their own creations in the image and likeness of who and what they are – nothing created, designed and established by themselves within and as consciousness systems as human beings on earth is able to have any power or value as they have been separated from their own creation."

The point in this paragraph is...

"Humans were of no value to Anu and the Annunaki because they didn't have direct access to them."

The last page link given is extremely long (which is normal for these).  I read most of it.  I could condense the points to maybe a dozen decent paragraphs that takes them a couple hundred.  Most of it's repeating the same thing over and over.


The "systems" are created from points of separation created by the mind consciousness systems (thoughts, feelings and emotions) that we have created.

I thought Anu and the Annunaki created the mind consciousness systems?


Systems have suppressed our true self-expression and have replaced life in this world.

I completely agree.  If these really are dimensional beings speaking then they must have been completely out of the loop for a long time.  There's no way they are going to make the majority of humans do something they don't want to do.  The first obstacle is that the majority of humans will never see these messages.



For anyone else that may be following, my initial conclusion on the overall theme here still stands.  I'm entertaining the messages, at this point, in order to break it down further.  Next they are going to take credit for the breakdown of the current physical systems.  It's a tried and true strategy that seems to really only be directed at a certain small group with a particular mentality.

The majority of humans (including myself) have never had a single glimpse of anything beyond the physical.  Most of those that haven't will say "see, this is all there is because if there was more I would see it".  Religions might be pointed out as proving this statement false.  However, the rewards and consequences touted in religions are all physical.  Streets of gold, mansions, pearly gates, crystal seas, lakes of fire, 72 virgins, and so on.  This appears to be the same strategy that will be used on the other side.  You see they were correct because we can't see anything beyond where we are so this must be all there is.  I'm not yet sure what the end trap is but I'm looking for it.  That might be why I'm drawn to this particular information base.  It seems to have all signs so far.

Edit:  And, of course, I still may be completely wrong in my assessment.

Re: The Dead Series.

Z, the reason why we are responsible for the world and ourselves. Remember, in the HOM Series #, Jack says the Anu had help with the creation of Man from Marduk, the Serpents, the Sirians (who supplied the systems placements), and our friends the duped Atlanteans (who had no idea what Anu and the reptilians were up to. Many batches were tried and tested before Anu was satisfied. But he needed a way to animate the Man, so he tricked the Atlanteans into manifesting as humans. This was done to prepare for the arrival of Anu, the serpents and the Sirians, who were going to manifest on Earth to rule and plunder the gold which he needed for the survival of Niburu. The stupid Atlanteans were to be tricked into manifesting into human forms and power and become  the Sirian self-evolving, pre-programmed systems so they would be enslaved as drones to mine the gold (HOM #16). That was the "plan." Anu would also achieve his goal to exist infinitely. (HOM #14) Unfortunately for Anu, his plan was f*cked in one moment. Yes, it was the interdimensional portal, which stands as the principle, the statement as who each human being is as existence, as oneness and equality (HOM #39).

An anonaly which Anu didn't expect to happen. Heaven "woke up" and stood up and deleted the White Light, the soul constructs and the control of Anu. The systems of the mind consciousness systems still remain and must be transcended. Heaven has accepted their responsibility. Humans need to follow this example, because the systems create more self-sustaining systems at every point of separation that occurs when we act as we really are the mind consciousness systems.

By the way, remember the dumb Atlanteans who were trapped into the human vessels by Anu? You want to know what happened to them? They've been reincarnating as us for aeons of times. Full circle, baby.

Cheers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKoNwvdooQ0 History of Man 97 - When will my life Change?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1FB-Viwb4I History of Man 96 -- Starting Point of Creation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWBQSI6kDEw History of Man 98 -- Enlightened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn9q5-S3jD4 History of Man 100 -- How do we change our World?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcYBRxaAPOQ History of Man 99 -- Earth yourself Birth yourself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KEffofYJVo History of Man 101 - Angels Exposed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fsfLziKSEw History of Man 102 - Fairies- Are they Real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu8WtY9aC10 Siyala - Fairy from Earth -- What is Real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMq3uArwt_E DIY Anger Management

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fsfLziKSEw History of Man 102 - Fairies- Are they Real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu8WtY9aC10 Siyala - Fairy from Earth -- What is Real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMq3uArwt_E DIY Anger Management

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NcvulEtS9E DIY Beauty Management

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFL3MqrZNz8 DIY Honesty Management

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amh-l_Zn0q8 History of Man 92 - Overview of process

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzeD6rsIt7E The Chair I sit on Speaks

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ZHIIZ3I_s Reptile Woman -Afterlife-- I was possessed by 17 Hookers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppq0cQ1pcSw Aileen Wuornos 2-- Hookers love what they do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y30zYuHIE Swami Prabhupada 1-- I have reincarnated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G2Q8lg53Rg Swami Prabhupada 2 -- Take action Now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1clLpf6Ps5Y Swami Prabhupada 3-- Why evil prevails

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

Re: The Dead Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpo0uQ8fsDk Yankor 1-- An Alien's Travels on UFO's-Solid Disks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Si0jh5mKms Yankor 2-- An Alien's Travels on UFO's-- Making UFO's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dv5mLGQVPc Yankor 3- An Alien's Travels on UFO's - 7 Million Ufo's of Reptilian origin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T-gpDJcDaY Universal Structural Resonance Daily News Report - Run on UK Banks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxPfM_ejq04 Universal Structural Resonance Daily News Report - Thai Plane Crash

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.