Birth of Jesus - Sept. 11, 3 B.C. (Page 3 of 7)

How can anyone call that proof!??

All you have there is two brief mentions from two dudes who didn't even live at the same time as Jesus. All they're doing is writing things that they've heard from some other source.  You have no idea who their sources were and how reliable they are. Therefore that is not proof of anything. That's not even close to being proof.

PhiConcept, you need to try and learn and understand the difference between 'proof' and 'evidence'. There's a big difference. In fact 'proof' never really exists anyway and is pretty subjective. All you have there is two very small pieces of evidence that Jesus was a real person. And that's pretty much all the evidence you have outside of the bible. It's not a lot is it?

Now, I'm not saying I think that jesus definitely didn't exist. I'm firmly on the fence on this topic and quite open-minded about it. The book "The Jesus Mysteries" does a very convincing job of debunking the idea that Jesus was a real person. Yet I'm not totally convinced either way. I think there's still a reasonable chance that the stories in the gospels were at least partly based on a real person. Yet we know so little about that person that it's impossible to say who he really was. He may just have been the Eckhart Tolle of his time. ie. a pretty conscious dude worth listening to, but not someone you should worship or start a new religion over.

Face facts, you don't have any proof of anything. You have a tiny bit of evidence and a huge load of faith.

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Peace.

Please no offence but I have to laught at the ridiculousness of this statement.
Figurative?So this story of the virgin birth is metaphorical?
Details are unimportant?
I suppose thats how so many can explain away the many indescrepancies, "Oh it's not important, Gods ways are not ours, who knows how it happens, it just is, don't question or try to figure anything out, don't think for yourself."
The Holy Ghost did not actually decend upon Mary and make her pregnant by Godly means?
Surely if this could be proven, this would throughtly debunk the New Testament, as if it requires any further help to do so?
If he did, why was this necessary for the bible to tell us how it was done?
How come God did not will it but has to send a seperate part of himself to do this?
My Supreme being would take no part in such a story

Sorry, perhaps I should have added that it is a tool for the salvery and blinding of mankind.
It is being used exactly for what it was designed for.
Sure, you can bang a nail into a piece of wood with the head of a spanner but whats that got do with using a hammer instead?

Christianity is legit originally but the current form is result of a lot of disinformation, a distortion of original truth.  It can be salvaged but you need to know a lot of background history and classical and esoteric language which are more or less speculative.  The disinformed Christianity in its current state is too dangerous for the naive general public.  It's better if it dies out.

All religions are false. What would be the point teaching falsehood?

If you don't mind....

The message in the mainstream is all about futurism and it is being sold as the apocalyptic message.  It was developed by the roman catholic church to counter the reformation of the protestant movement.  The biblical prophecies when looked upon historically are mostly fulfilled.  For example, Daniel's 70 week prophecy from a historical point of view has been fulfilled.

The futurist view of Daniel's 70 weeks, however, has a 2000 year gap between Jesus' crucifixion and now.  They (the RCC think tank) manufactured the idea called the counter-reformation that the 70th week was split in half and that the last 3 and a half days of the week will be fulfilled at the second comming of Jesus, which by the way can be fit into any point at this or future time for those who don't understand prophecy.  3 and a half days meaning 3 and a half years, taken from a symoblic reading of the prophecy as scripture teaches.

This can be understood as an apocalyptic message that never gets fulfilled because the truth is that Daniel's 70 weeks have been fulfilled at Jesus' crucifixion when his last words were "It is finnished". 

Then the 2300 year prophecy of Daniel within which the 70 weeks were fulfilled (490 years) and the continuation up until around 1844 when the milerites finally awaited Jesus' second comming. 

Ofcourse, any well educated believer will tell you that the kingdom of God doesn't come with observation, as Jesus himself clearly stated it, therefore it's not an external event but quite the contrary.

The advantage of the wolves in sheep's clothing of the day is that they use any prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled to their advantage.  Ezekiel has prophecied quite a distruction involving a world war scenario which can easily be applied within any time between 1844 and now.  All the wars of the past century, the NWO agenda to bring in the antichrist, the RFID chips as the mark of the beast, etc.  Addtionally, the more increasing natural weather disasters (hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fires) give more fuel to further the agenda of false interpretation of prophecy.

Peace, PhiConcept.