Birth of Jesus - Sept. 11, 3 B.C. (Page 1 of 7)

Source?

Calculated from Luke 1. Nice. What about Matthew 1:18-2:23? I wouldn't place faith in either account since they contradict each other.

"Seems to be contrdictions?" Let's not go there. Biblical fictions are very well documented.

Son of the morning star,
how brightly thou doust shine.
Enought to blind humanity,
and these old eyes of mine.

How many times must the story,
over and over be told.
Before some soul takes notice,
discovers what is young is old.

Cut furrows deep into the sap,
like  le canyon grande.
Many cannot traverse the gap,
or see the modus operandi.

I make the rules,
you write what I say.
I will ensure ,
they come true someday.

With the passage of time,
I travel along.
Use to my advantage,
it's forgetfull song.

Black is white,
white is not.
Colourblind.
Flip Flop.

With every fibre of your being,
deep inside you know.
Our view of life is,
the biggest illusionist show.

To: Kid Mongo

The Bible is essentially a religious history.  Even those who wrote the Bible made it clear it was not a secular history, even though secular events are referred to. It is a book about God and his relationship with man.  That cannot be proven or dis-proven logically because it is a spiritual matter.  However, people and events mentioned in the Bible might be found in the historical writings of other nearby countries and in the historical records of the Israelite nations other than the Bible.
     
The earliest records of the Israelites were written on papyrus, rather than clay tablets that were used by other cultures at that time.  Many of those papyri have been destroyed.  The ancient Israelites, while they loom large in our eyes, were a small city state for the most part. There is little proof of the use of slaves in Egypt or of the Exodus, of the conquering of the Canaanites by the Israelites or of King David’s reign.  But absence of proof is not proof of absence.  It only takes one find to change that picture.

For example, until 1993 there was no proof of the existence of King David or even of Israel as a nation prior to Solomon. Then in 1993 archeologists found proof of King David's existence outside the Bible.  At an ancient mound called Tel Dan, in the north of Israel, words carved into a chunk of basalt were translated as "House of David" and "King of Israel" proving that he was more than just a legend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele

In 1990 Frank Yurco, an Egyptologist at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago, used hieroglyphic clues from a monolith known as the Merneptah Stele to identify figures in a Luxor wall relief as ancient Israelites.  The stele itself, dated to 1207 B.C. celebrates a military victory by the Pharaoh Merneptah.  “Israel is laid waste” it reads.  This lets us know the Israelites were a separate people more than 3,000 years ago.

There are a number of other ancient inscriptions that have provided valuable insights into biblical history from a non-biblical perspective. Among these are the Gezar Calendar, the Samaria Ostraca, the Siloam Inscription, the Lachish Letters, and numerous Phoenician and Aramaic inscriptions. (These can be examined in translation, with reference to the originals, in Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament.

Ancient Tablet Vouches for Biblical King

This small clay tablet from the British Museum's collection records a payment by a Babylonian officer named Nebo-Sarsekim. Nebo-Sarsekim is described on the tablet as being Nebuchadnezzar's "chief eunuch." In chapter 39 of the Book of Jeremiah, this individual is described as being with King Nebuchadnezzar II at the siege of Jerusalem in the year 587 B.C.

Full article here:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/08/1 … ry=history

Peace, PhiConcept.

That's great, no doubt most of those mentioned in the old testament were real people.
Nations too.
Gods must have come down from heaven and layed with Women too.
Seems something Gods would need to do.
Pity we can't pull out tablets and script of historians from new testament times mentioning JC, Jeshuah, Yeshuah etc?
What was Mary and Josephs surnames?
I wounder how the messiah was given the surname, the Christ, was that his real surname or imposed upon him posthumously?

My mind is completely open toward believing that God or Prime Creator, Supreme Being or First Cause did not have an only begotton son but many billions of offspring.
There was no need for the brightest spark to walk this earth in human form because we are already here.
There was no need for him to die and be crucified for our sins because it is we who forgive ourselves and atone for our misdemeanor's.
Why did it have to be a son anyway, whats wrong with it being a daughter?
Promotion of male energy.
The whole messiah and bible thingy promotes externalism which is the wrong bloody direction folks, mis--->direction<---->.
That's what I think anyway.

Sorry if this feels like an expression of some frustration.
People post what they want here on whatever topic and that's good.
From now on, were religion is concerned I will go here:
http://foru.ms/forumdisplay.php?f=74-qu … tians.html
for a good chinwag because if I react to every evangelistic thread made at NR all I will find myself doing is repeating myself for as long as I visit here at NR.