Re: The Dead Series.
And thanks, Pictus. But what do you mean, "Corrupted?"
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And thanks, Pictus. But what do you mean, "Corrupted?"
I get it. Saying that the mind is indeed a trap, and benevolent forces in Heaven were absent indeed is something that doesn't "shine." Hard for the mind to resonate with that.
History 68 Exposing Esoteric Cults http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vuN3FjrOTo
US Anderson form Afterlife-- Drugs and Enlightenment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdoAOoRbAxI
A day in the life of the Portal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJnFbUuggE0
Elvis Presley on DrugAbuse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUm85-4kBIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5MI6NmD … mp;search= Love as mind consciousness system
Thank you, Z, for taking time and expressing your views. There's only a couple of items in your take I'd like to0 bounce off you.
You're welcome. I'll do my best to answer your questions.
1) The soul is actually a mechanism to hold the memories of past lives and to keep track of beings. It is the mind consciousness system (an model of the mind I have not ever heard discussed here on NR, btw) which holds all pre-programmed emotions, thoughts and feelings, and have been inserted, along with the soul construct, to keep humans busy and contrrolled. These devices were so efficient in their application, that noone ever considered that the mind was the problem with the world. If you can point to something that has been passed down reflecting this idea, that the mind, with the feelings, thoughts and emotions were inserted into us to control us, I'd like to see it.
It seems to be a matter of how the words are being used. Like I explained, the word "soul", to me, means the light body. What these messages call "soul" I have equated to the lower emotional center and what they call "mind" I have equated to the lower intellectual center. These terms I'm using were used first by Mouravieff, if I remember correctly.
In, and of itself, that could just be written off as semantics if the subject of what's beyond the next realm is discussed. Since it hasn't then this equating the word "soul" to the lower emotional center becomes more suspect.
2)The fear of death is only the fear of loss writ large. Do you know precisely what you did in the last life you lived? Do you know precisely what awaits you when you cross over? I would guess you'd say no. It has been a mystery. Yes, a few people have been given "gifts" to see paranormal. I was given such a gift. As were others. If you can postulate or conceive the idea that there are forces on the other side, what makes you think that these force must be benevolent? Is such a scheme impossible? There's your 1%.
It looks like you have misunderstood what I was saying. Nowhere have I stated that I think only benevolent forces exist on the other side. Just check out the site this forum is under, www.montalk.net. It talks quite extensively about hyperdimensional alien control systems. And there are many threads on NR discussing the subject.
The points you raised don't talk about the main point in my post. That main point being that this IDP has not broached the subject of what is beyond where they are. The sub points in my post were meant to expand the main one by providing some backdrop.
Please don't get me wrong though. I'm not expecting you to explain these messages. Nor is my post directed specifically at you. You are the messanger that has brought these messages to our attention. I'm not attacking the messages either. I'm only giving my own viewpoint. There is truth in them, from what I know of my own study. I'm just showing (from my own perspective) what may be missing and thus may be used to misdirect.
I thank you for your views. To your question on what is "beyond where they are" is nothing. There are no longer "dimensions" or "higher realms" in the afterlife. They have been removed. As Jack and Veno and the others have stated, alll dimensional beings now exist within human bodies. The secret of reality is Earth.
What we really are is infinite sound. The holographic nature of what we percieve is actually sound. The Light body that has been conceived by mind consciousness systems, is actually a structural resonance. Sound, not light.
"In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God."
sound sound sound
And thanks, Pictus. But what do you mean, "Corrupted?"
You are welcome, about "Corrupted" is not pure to a level as I perceive as not good.
I thank you for your views. To your question on what is "beyond where they are" is nothing. There are no longer "dimensions" or "higher realms" in the afterlife. They have been removed. As Jack and Veno and the others have stated, alll dimensional beings now exist within human bodies. The secret of reality is Earth.
You are repeating what this source has said. It is not validated truth anymore that my own views. It is merely belief. What you state above is the exact (alleged) trap that my post was speaking about. Another trap is holding too strongly to a particular belief.
I didn't ask what the IDP said was beyond where they are anymore than I said only benevolent beings exist on the other side. "Nothing" is inferred by them not saying it. And that was my whole point. That by not saying it they are inferring that nothing is beyond that level. And as such that belief may be used to further subjugate humans when we are all on that side.
Please understand, I'm not trying to change your beliefs here. I'm just reiterating my point because you keep showing me that you aren't seeing it, which is in effect asking me to make it clearer. That's all I'm doing. I know what I think is unprovable just as much as what this IDP says is unprovable. We can't even be sure it's an IDP.
Z, I am thankful for your views. And I am glad you have been listening to the messages. Believe me, no offense has been taken by your thoughtful questions. Allow me a question. What truth (when it concerns metaphysics) can be validated? What validates a level of "purity" that can be scientifically measured?
Gurdjieff has stated thru the portal (allegedly), that he was removed immediately from earth when he almost ealized the power of the "Unification of Man as I Am." The portal insissts that all paths to enlightenment (including all esoteric groups, psychics, channels, beliefs, ascensions and their manifestations) are only preprogrammed systems designed to keep humans busy and enslaved. Murdo MacDonald-Bayne's interview was very instructive in showing how completely the White Light (a preprogrammed system which was the manifestation of Anu) had controlled the dimensions and its "Ascended Masters". Now, it is fine to say that all that is presented as belief. But there is also a testing living model which the goal is for each person on Earth to particapate as equal and one. Those of us participating in this are attempting to break free of the mind consciousness system placement to get to who we really are while oon Earth. This is primarily done by applying forgiveness and common sense to correct the self-deceptions and dishonestes that have been programmed in us. There is good news, however. According to the portal, the dimensions have removed the White Light system and the Soul construct. When the systems on Earth are removed as well, we'll be in for a very bumpy ride. Fasten your seatbelts.
The term "emotional center" was used in one of the videos. If they invalidate it's prior use then they invalidate their usage.
What this portal is doing is trying to invalidate all teachings; quoting you "(including all esoteric groups, psychics, channels, beliefs, ascensions and their manifestations)". But it's all been said before. If they invalidate all the things that have said the same thing, then they invalidate themselves.
Another quote by you:
"But there is also a testing living model which the goal is for each person on Earth to particapate as equal and one. Those of us participating in this are attempting to break free of the mind consciousness system placement to get to who we really are while oon Earth. This is primarily done by applying forgiveness and common sense to correct the self-deceptions and dishonestes that have been programmed in us."
How can anyone possibly claim this is the first time this has been stated?
Again, don't get me wrong. If it takes this portal for some to break free then I'm all for it (except for pointing out the obvious traps). But to postulate that they were the first is the height of arrogance. I've been working on the same thing for over a decade. And many others before me have been working on it longer.
Anyway, I wasn't directing my original post at you but you took on the title of spokesperson. That's the reason I continued to answer. The circular logic exhibited, I took as my fault for not properly explaining. But after 4 times I see that it's not for lack of clarity on my part.
Many of the people on NR (that no longer post because they have moved on) are beyond this level. I decided to view the videos to gain intel on what further programming might be taking place. As I suspected prior, the main point will be to convince humans that the 4th density physical realm is all there is. The other part is corrupting the word "soul" or saying it doesn't exist. That's fine too. I suppose I can get used to using the term "spirit" to speak about the 5th density (not dimension).
That's all I really have to say. I wasn't planning on going on for this long. I'll end with Pictus's quote:
"Anyway, for **me** astral stuff still too short sighted/limited corrupted."
Exactly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5MI6NmDNxk Love as consciousness system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsXgeD4Yp8 Fear as consciousness system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6FBxeDoiw Baird Spalding's afterlife perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI3qyItvmLA Osho on Moment Management
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWwMwE_phOE Osho-Trust is not transsferable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSOas8yvZKE Osho- Sugar is not life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjipDCgP4s Gurdjieff on why man must unify
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4skbzt7JIQ Mother Nature exposes Crop Circles
Enjoy
I honestly just dont like the chick thats being the "portal". At first I thought it was cute, but now it is quite redundant. I mean seriously. Mother earth?? Mother earth is in her and speaking. Like " hey whats up yall, mother earth here. ya so, I got some stuff to talkabout." Pardon my french, but give me a f*cking break.
"Chick"?
I honestly just dont like the chick thats being the "portal". At first I thought it was cute, but now it is quite redundant. I mean seriously. Mother earth?? Mother earth is in her and speaking. Like " hey whats up yall, mother earth here. ya so, I got some stuff to talkabout." Pardon my french, but give me a f*cking break.
The truth always reveals itself. It was a matter of time for that 'portal' girl to slip with her imagination into wonderland. She did have her 5 minutes of fame on youtube though.
Peace, PhiConcept.
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