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Well the fact remains that I do have musick in my life.  My life is already infinite. I'm not going to buy into the " im flawed because I have thoughts" stuff. Who I really am is everything already. I am the mind consciousness system with thoughts and emotions, and I'm a lot more than that as well. I know, I've been there and experienced it. I understand the use of the word "I" and how it CAN be limiting if used profusely and narcacistically. I very much enjoy the Art of Austin Osman Spare and he had lots of contact with the "other side" and EXPRESSED it in his art. There is not a line between his magick and his art. Boy o boy would'nt that be an interesting challening lol. There are channelings from Jesus. hmmmm. I wonder if these folks ever read The Old-Time religion by Jordan Maxwell, Alan Snow and others that pretty much proves he never existed.

Check out The Pharmacratic Inquisition here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ;plindex=0

Sexual Symbolism in Religion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 8671448349 ( the coil remix of NINs closer adds an AWSOME element to this video)

and their newest and more condenced DVD of The Pharmacratic Inquisition here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ;plindex=6



You know. There is a guy out there named Stewart Swerdlow. He is a good guy and everything. Says he was abused by montauk experiments and really wants to help people de program themselves. But, he was on Chris Metzgers show and Chris was like " Honestly, wasnt it just a little bit too weird when he said they tried to send him back in time to kill jesus. I mean, cmon now".

This is basically how I see it. You can have all the good intentions in the world and be just a swell individual but it doesn't mean I have to sit here and go " u huh, yep, oh it must be, yep u huh".

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Another thing is, music isn't the only thing I have going for me. I'm not here to give a biography but I will tell you my interests and tentacles strech far into many areas of study and experience. My myspace would never hold it all and it's funny when people really try to fit every single damn thing into their myspace making it a pain to load up and go through.  Mabye I will write a book or somthing someday of just exactly what I've been through and accomplished in my life. I've done some pretty miraculous things, or rather things that only seem miraculous. But its not for here, its not for myspace, and I dont have to PROVE anything.

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That interview with Aaron Russo was actually pretty interesting.  I wonder if Aaron during his life got any information whatsoever on how to REALLY work the system. I know he was a frusterated fella, but there is remedy. If you click on my website under my name I have a lot of information on how one can begin the extracation and expatriation process. It's not as easy as 1 2 3, but it does exist. 

An interesting thing is that you can get out of the system yet still have the government provide you with high levels of protection. There is a story about a guy who went through this process while he was still being held by the courts for whatever bogus charges ( and there are plenty of them). When the paperwork cleared and all the proper identifiers were notified of his standing and his declarations the court could hold him no longer. HEre is what happened. The prosecutor was no present at the trial....hmmmm. The judge gave an order that the prosecutor MUST be present within 10 days. 10 days later there was a man from the FBI in the prosecutors seat and other men in suits. The judge said " ok prosecutor, any opening statements?". One of the men in suits stood up and said " the United States has no interest in this matter". The judge says " what? what do you mean, what am I supposed to do with the prisoner". THe man said " you can do whatever you want with him, the United States has no interest in the matter". The judge got all flustered and very angry of course and ran off the bench. Usually it takes a day or two of processing for a prisoner to get out of costody, but this guy was out the front door of the court house in 15 minutes. When he got outside the FBI guy walked up to him and said " here is my card. If anyone ever bothers you again you give me a call."

This is just a tip of the iceburg. If you go to my website click on my blog that says The 5 Step Process for getting Out of the System. You can take it from there with the information that I provide.

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I've heard that story before years ago. Interesting. But I like Russo's observation that the system can only be changed by the system.

BTW, My favorite band is The Fall. (I like your screen name). Jack was speaking more about the music INDUSTRY and music created by the mind consciousness system. Music created in full self-awareness is totally different.

Russo is slated to do at least another interview shortly. Here's a few more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXuw3lojPVI Dimebag Darrel This is ME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haDkimM6Fqs Gurdjieff 1 -The unification of Man as I am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sybONXYzbk4 Alice Bailey 1 The Great White Light

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3NeUZb_1KA Alice Bailey 2 Meeting Reptilians

Have a good one.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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The girl 'Desteni' is interesting to watch as she brainstorms ideas.  I do however have to say that it's not channeling.  The truth is that she prepares information before filming and glances with her eyes over to the right alot to aquire information written on paper or computer screen to continue the train of thought that has been prepared before hand.  She does have quite an imagination, nonetheless.

Peace, PhiConcept.

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Your observation is a common one, but she doesn't read off of anything. And to describe it as a channeling is not quite accurate. She is an interdimension portal. Others have found these interviews very interesting. One of the more reasoned inquiry of this strange event is located here:
http://home.tiscali.nl/gibbon/exploring … -again.htm

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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I'm sorry to say kid mongo, but if you think that the girl is a portal you still have alot to learn 'descernment wise'.  It is an obvious pre-organized material filming and in many of the videos she gets stuck on issues which she forgets and has to glimpse over to the side to find facts on particular people that she 'supposedly' is channeling or acting as a poral for.  She is quite the actress but nothing more than that.  If she took more time to memorize her material she would be much more believable.  Any 'spiritualy discerned' person, however, will be able to spot her as just a girl seeking youtube attention nomatter how good an act she puts on.

Peace, PhiConcept.

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Actually, it isn't. I suppose a notarized affidavit wouldn't settle this? Maybe have TWO cameras with a third camera recording a recording the other two? No. She isn't an actress reading off a cue card. If only!

And let's be real. All "discernment" is only fluffy words that you want to hear.

See ya in church.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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kid mongo wrote:

Actually, it isn't. I suppose a notarized affidavit wouldn't settle this? Maybe have TWO cameras with a third camera recording a recording the other two? No. She isn't an actress reading off a cue card. If only!

Let's agree to disagree on this one. smile

kid mongo wrote:

And let's be real. All "discernment" is only fluffy words that you want to hear.

Depends on wether you are engaged and willing to see the world from a spiritual point of view or not.

kid mongo wrote:

See ya in church.

I don't think so.  You won't see me even near a church. smile Church is an institution based on religion used to aquire worldly power which is an ideology that goes against spiritual growth.  The best example is the RCC (Roman Catholic Church), which by the way eventhough it portrays itself as a christian church is prophecied within the same texts as it teaches from (bible), as a beast.

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Depends on wether you are engaged and willing to see the world from a spiritual point of view or not.

Spirituality is a pre-programmed system, and therefore supports separation. Fiendishly clever. Think about it. And try and listen to the words being said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoCmIBa67g8 History of Man 59-Exposing Diversity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_B8iCn … mp;search= History of Man 60- Exposing Competition

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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Well, becomming a politician and becomming government to get rid of politics and government doesn't make any sense.  I DO NOT need beurocratic status in order to change the system. There is nothing to change actually, and all that can be done is to completely disarm and disempower 'them' as a freeman on the land. Even in 40 stat 411, The Trading with the Enemy Act, in section 16 it says if you are not a U.S. citizen but are one of the people they must provide you with protection.  Check out what Marc Stevens has to say about government at adventuresinlegalland.com.  There is nothing righteous about government at all. All they are are men and women providing a service at the barrell of a gun.  Marc started somthing called The Save A Beurocrat Foundation where they try to get people OUT of government and politics and show them the "light". 

Here is a reason, if you need one, as to why there is no way you can change politics and government by becomming one with them. It's been tried before, and we all know what happens to those people. Example:

Abraham Lincoln was elected to congress in 1846
John Kennedy was elected to congress in 1946
Abraham Lincoln was elected president in 1860
John Kennedy was elected predident in 1960
Both names Lincoln and Kennedy contain seven letters
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights
Both wives lost children while living in the white house
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday
Both presidents were shot in the Head
Lincoln's secretary was named Ms. Kennedy
Kennedy's secretary was named Ms. Lincoln
Both were assassinated by southerners
Both were succeeded by Southerners
Both Southerners were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson who succeeded Lincoln, and was born in 1808. Linden Johnson who succeeded Kennedy and was born in 1908
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln was  born in 1839
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy was born in 1939
Both Assassins were known by three names: John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald
Both names are comprised of fiftteen letters
Lincoln was shot in a theatre named Ford
Kennedy was shot in a car made by Ford called Lincoln
John Wilkes Booth ran from the theatre and was caught in a wearhouse
Lee Harvey Oswald ran from the wearhouse and was caught in a theatre


Heres a good one

A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe Maryland and a week before Kennedy was shot he was in Marilyn Monroe.

All government is saturated with occult symbolism and power hungry tyrants. You cannot stop tyranny by becomming a tyrant. Ron Paul is a nice guy, but if he got anywhere near doing what he plans to do he WILL be killed. If you don't believe me, you dont have to. Just watch. We as individuals have more power and influence than any president or government official or institution could ever dream of "providing" us. We the people are the power correct? It seems that we are the power so much in fact that inordinate measures have been taken to convince us otherwise so that we are completely complacent.

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It's as if an unseen hand was at work.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.

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I was interested enough to view many of the videos.  My interest isn't necessarily to see if it's actually an interdimensional portal (IDP) or if it's just acting.  Although, that should be taken into account.  My interest is the message and what that message may be hiding.  There is a modus operandi for most higher level messages that are meant to mislead in some way.  That is what has been called the "1% lie".  To get people to believe a lie it is best to wrap that lie in truth.  Thus the message resonates with the individual and the lie contained within is more easily accepted because it kind of slips through.

Anyway, I'll come back to that.  I wanted to quickly address the question of if it's actuallly a IDP or just acting.  I can't say with complete certainty, obviously, because I'm not the person doing it.  But I can look for clues that will change the probability one way or the other.  Besides the girl looking to her left quite often there are other behavioral quirks that happen across many of the messages.  The one that stood out most for me was when a particularly strong point is given the girl will smile, nod her head sharply, and say "hmmph".  I have not met many humans that do that so it stood out.  And since the interdimensionals are merely deceased humans it's fairly safe to use that as a gauge.

Now back to the meat of the messages.  The problem, of course, is that I can't say for certain that I know the structure of what comes after our life on earth.  So, in essense, it comes down to belief.  Now, I realized that in order to fully face infinity I would need to get rid of beliefs and simply keep the ideas as possibilities.  That way nothing could contain me.  Nothing could limit me.  However, there is one belief that I hold that is near 100% probability.  I allow this belief because it does not limit me and it makes sense to me.  That belief is that there are levels beyond the one above us.

One place that this belief is written is in the Nag Hammadi.  http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
"11. Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away."

One of the main beliefs non-religious people were given was that there was nothing beyond the physical.  Science has been used to further this belief.  Thus the fear of death many non-religious people hold.  For those that seen/felt beyond the physical, religion has created the fear of death by way of rewards and consequences.  If we are to believe that there will be some sort of shift to the next level and the same entities that enslaved us here wish to do the same there, then we can postulate that they would try to get us to believe there is no level beyond the one above (the one they occupy).

I see that underlining theme in these messages.  I also see how the word "soul" has been associated with the lower emotional center.  In my own adopted terminology, "soul" is the light body (5d body).  That is, the level beyond the one above us.  If we are to be controlled in the next level then it's imperative that "they" get us to believe there is no soul or prime creator.  It's imperative that we believe that the physical (etheric included) is the -end all, be all- of existence.  Why is it imperative?  If we believe that, then the entities already over there can present themselves as our authority since they were there first.  For those not fond of "authority" they can present themselves as our teachers or guides.  Either way the idea is the same.  That is, for us to look outside ourselves for the answers contained within.

That's not to say the messages are all bad.  Obviously, we can resonate with the message of oneness and equality.  And being who we really are that would resonate quite loudly, so that the "1% lie" can get through unnoticed.  As with most of these "higher" messages it is meant for people that are at a certain level.  For many on NR the ideas contained within these messages have already been explored.  And as with all such messages the people that really could use them will never hear them.  For I know that even with the subtle twists these messages can help many people progress beyond where they currently are.

In conclusion, this is only my personal take.  And even that I can't hold as 100% conclusive because I must allow for all possibilites so stagnation or entrapment isn't possible.  In other words, don't take my word for it.  I'm just giving my own perspective to add to the mix.

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Very good z3n3rg! http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2070/postkr8.gif

For **me** it is a “tutti-fruit”, they get some truths but the
“angle” from with they show is not right, at least not for **me.**

When reading stuff from Rudolf Steiner and other good stuff
their stuff almost “shine”(I do not know the right word for it)
I saw no “shine” with these...
Anyway, for **me** astral stuff still too short sighted/limited corrupted.

Bye, Pictus

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http://pictus.co.nr

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Thank you, Z, for taking time and expressing your views. There's only a couple of items in your take I'd like to0 bounce off you.

1) The soul is actually a mechanism to hold the memories of past lives and to keep track of beings. It is the mind consciousness system (an model of the mind I have not ever heard discussed here on NR, btw) which holds all pre-programmed emotions, thoughts and feelings, and have been inserted, along with the soul construct, to keep humans busy and contrrolled. These devices were so efficient in their application, that noone ever considered that the mind was the problem with the world. If you can point to something that has been passed down reflecting this idea, that the mind, with the feelings, thoughts and emotions were inserted into us to control us, I'd like to see it.

2)The fear of death is only the fear of loss writ large. Do you know precisely what you did in the last life you lived? Do you know precisely what awaits you when you cross over? I would guess you'd say no. It has been a mystery. Yes, a few people have been given "gifts" to see paranormal. I was given such a gift. As were others. If you can postulate or conceive the idea that there are forces on the other side, what makes you think that these force must be benevolent? Is such a scheme impossible? There's your 1%.

There will be two Ages. The first: The Age of Power. The next: The Age of Equality.