16 (edited by Zejith_Themis 2007-08-15 06:41:09)

Re: Creating Thoughtform Genies

Nyarlathotep - pretty detailed speculation!

I heard lots of nth-hand "horror stories" about goetia too, though most seemed more like comedies. The books I listed were by practitioners, and i actually find their accounts to jibe more with the kind of sensation i get from non-evocatory practices (pentagram and hexagram, middle pillar), therefore more "beievable" to my perception, as it were.

whereas the stories of "modern magickal meddlers" sound mostly like some guys getting high and scaring themselves a bit, then attributing all negative happenings for the following weeks to it.

some others, more "scientifically" recorded but still a bit haphazard in method were intriguingly scary.

I remember one, and if i find it i'll post it for the sheer campfire value, of someone who got silly and invoked a goetia demon. Dont remember which it was atm, but to cut the long story short their account was of perceiving something i remember from being very small... like a disc of falling little lights like snow coming down from above, that image caught my attention. Their experience then went forth to the "snow" becoming like tiny, burning shooting stars... when the trance/vision/epileptic fit had ended they found they had trashed the room and had rugburns all over.

Which is cool as spit, but hard to swallow. How does someone get as far as setting up a successful ritual without even knowing the difference between evoction and invocation? Or maybe i just had to hack so hard at getting result from the simple energy-moving rituals  that i underestimate the median sensitivity of the population...


{edit- no luck yet on turning up the account i remember, but "goetia evocation" and "<name_spirit_goetia> evocation" as search terms turn up a lot of forums i didn't see back in the day when i was searching high and low for accounts and analyses of this sort of thing... and there seems to be a hell of a lot of narratives out there. the forums on http://www.sacred-magick.org keep turning up positives.}

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Re: Creating Thoughtform Genies

I was going to post on the Thoth thread about this but it seems pertinent here:

He says that we create "beings" unintentionally anyway... or out of ignorance.
These thought forms are the mental objects we are constantly trying to manipulate things with for the "me" with,
out of STS or unconciousness and attach ourselves to. The attachment is more suffering as mentioned above by Nyarlathotep.
Would that we could raise awareness of what is already happening.
As mentioned above by Zejith_Themis -
isn't this the definition of Maya/illusion and the seemingly conscious yet unintentional creation of suffering itself?
I know someone who had someone do these ceremonies with her to get more money and became a prostitute afterwards.
Definitely seemed quite fked up by  the whole thing.

I wonder if the whole idea of creating something to help us isn't an assumption reinforcing the thoughtform that we "need help" in the psychic realm which is basically disempowering. The power we always have already!
Kind of like buying a remote for the remote?
Or do we begin to use properly what we already "have" and are not using properly?
Humans are always trying to get someone to do things for them.
It says to the unconscious (which only "exists" while we are unconscious!)
i am too lazy to do it. i am not capable enough.
i will not find it myself so please tell me how to find enlightenment etc.
Nothing good or new can come of this underlying (and all too common) mindset.

18 (edited by druid 2007-08-23 14:20:19)

Re: Creating Thoughtform Genies

It seems that in the future, at the end of our civiliastion, thoughtforms will gain a material foothold, i.e. they will manifest concretely in all their horror.

The more we dwell in sci-fi or spiritual materialism (outta space aliens,etc.), the more strenght we give to those unhealty thoughtforms...

Another reason to close that tv, computer and cd music, and to go outside get some fresh air and real sensations!

Re: Creating Thoughtform Genies

Forbidden Planet ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet
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